Bought Breva 1100 for sidecar

[frans belgium]

After riding a Guzzi for 17 years, last year I sold my Norge and bought a Beemer for solo use.

Still regretted selling my Breva 1100 though, best Guzzi I ever had (rode Nevada, V65, Cali 3, Cali EV, Breva 1100 en Norge 8V).

So today, I bought a second hand Breva 1100, red and in stock trim, exactly like the one I once had.

11 years old and 11000 km - has been ridden just enough to keep more or less in shape ;-)

Planning to look for a sidecar, so my wife can travel more comfortably and I can drive around my grand kids 

Keeping the Beemer for solo trips....

Glad to belong to the Guzzi bunch again though.

Rebonjour, as they would say in France.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Hello again, Franz..

 

[LeRoy]

It's all well and good to see you're back (and hers too!), but let's see your Guzzi.

Welcome back.

[Perazzimx14]

That should make a nice tug! Have you chosen a hack?

[frans belgium]

That should make a nice tug! Have you chosen a hack?

Will probably go for a eml gt 2001.  Picture with a Cali

[frans belgium]

It's all well and good to see you're back (and hers too!), but let's see your Guzzi.

Welcome back.

https://goo.gl/photos/WBmQMfEUce34LMXr9

Hard to believe this is 11 years old, isn't it? ;-).  It ran just fine, though it might need some attention.

[tris]

Yes it does look good.

Strangely someone said to me how good my 35k mile 2005 model looked only last year

Maybe the B11 just "wears well"

[pete roper]

Look, I'm really not trying to rain on your parade but a CARC bike is an absolutely dreadful choice for a sidecar tug. Sell it and buy a late model Cali. Really.

Pete

[Chuck in Indiana]

^^^^^ I was wondering how the Carc would handle a tug. Certainly the Cali has a sturdy twin shock frame.. and it's been done a lot. I don't remember a carc bike being used in a rig..

[pete roper]

Thing is Chuck the CARC bikes have nowhere to mount the front crossmember mount so it would require some sort of horrible 'Heath Robinson' artefact to be produced to hang off the frame never invented for a chair.

Then there are the forces on the swingarm and lower frame. The CARC swingarm mounts externally to the frame and its bearings. As soon as you apply a lateral load the moment becomes far higher than that on a Tonti frame because the lever forces have a fulcrum a good three inches narrower!

Then there is the cast aluminium swingarm that was never designed to take such loadings!

It's just not a 'Chair' platform, and I love sidecars!

Pete

[frans belgium]

I never question your opinion, Pete.  Otoh: PLENTY of Breva-side cars owners riding around over here (Holland, France, Germany, Belgium), with no problems that I know of.  Even my own dealer has one, and a friend of mine, who sadly deceased last month rode one for many years without trouble.  So I'll keep your advice in the back of my mind and keep you guys posted in case of trouble.  Side car is not mounted yet, and will not likely be in the first few months.  All known specialists are way over their heads.  Side car riding seems to become growingly popular over here (unlike trikes which seem to conquer the States).

[pete roper]

Not saying it won't work. Just saying it will be hard work to get it to work well.

As for the sidecar vs. trike argument? Gimme a chair any day! If you want to be mobile in a motorised conveyance that is unstable, uncomfortable and inconvenient? At least go completely stupid and do it in an asymmetrical vehicle with its drive at one corner! It defies all the laws of logic and many of physics but root me stupid a good outfit is fun! Actually even a lousy outfit is fun! It'll just kill you a bit more easily! 

Pete

[frans belgium]

If you want to be mobile in a motorised conveyance that is unstable, uncomfortable and inconvenient? At least go completely stupid and do it in an asymmetrical vehicle
Pete

My feelings exactly ! 

[ohiorider]

My feelings exactly ! 

Frans ....does EML make some sort of sub-frame so a sidecar can be attached to a bike with no lower frame rails?  I recall EML or another European sidecar manufacturer had a mounting system for the original BMW K bikes which also had no lower frame tubes.  Are you considering a modified front fork (Earles?)

[pete roper]

My mate Peter's outfit getting an oil chane last time it was here.



It's a lovely rig. Biggest problem with outfits is working on the buggers! It's nice having access to a car lift!

[Arizona Wayne]

I was gonna say, Pete, that's a hell of a lift you have there!!  I have a lift with extensions on both sides, but it's not that wide!

[pete roper]

S'not mine Randy, I just hijacked it from the boss of the shop I sub lease my tiny workshop area in. Handy eh? :D as you can see from my garb that visit was in deepest winter, hence the Abominable Snowman outfit! It's not all surf and sunshine, especially  around. Here in August!

Peter rode down from Townsville where if the temperature drops below 70*F they all have to put on thick wooly jumpers and turn the heating on! At least he'd lived in Bungendore 25 or more years ago so he knew what to expect.

Pete

[frans belgium]

Frans ....does EML make some sort of sub-frame so a sidecar can be attached to a bike with no lower frame rails?  I recall EML or another European sidecar manufacturer had a mounting system for the original BMW K bikes which also had no lower frame tubes.  Are you considering a modified front fork (Earles?)

Eml does have subframes for certain beemers if I stand correctly. Also for some Hondas I think. Not for Breva, side car specialists make their own, including altered (rocking) front forks, car tyres, sometimes other gearing etc. Quite a few breva 1100 rigs riding over here.

[guzzisteve]

Don't know how close you are to these folks--http://mobec-international.com/combinations/moto-guzzi.html

They make subframes for Guzzi's