Hints of new models in CycleWorld article on Stelvio demise

[k99]

An interesting article was posted in CycleWorld today. 

http://www.cycleworld.com/aprilia-caponord-and-moto-guzzi-stelvio-major-casualties-euro-4

The author discusses with Piaggio executive Davide Zanolini the cancellation of the Caponord and Stelvio due to Euro 4 restrictions.  Zanolini gave some vague yet interesting hints at what's to come.

As with Aprilia, radically new Moto Guzzi models might appear as early as EICMA 2017, and the big novelties will debut at EICMA 2018.

At Moto Guzzi they are hard at work on a totally new engine, very advanced, a radical evolution compared to the present V7, V9 and V1400 units. It is due to complete this range of units and I will not say more at this date. We expect to be able to introduce some radical Moto Guzzi novelty at EICMA 2017, though at its concept stage.

[Lcarlson]

Wow....that does sound interesting.

[Markcarovilli]

I don't know - maybe I should apply for his job....

the Exec VP states: "Cycle World: Mr. Zanolini, how well did the Moto Guzzi Stelvio and the Aprilia CapoNord sell during their respective lives?
Davide Zanolini: Stelvio had two separate editions, the first in production from 2008 to 2011, powered by the two-valve Moto Guzzi 1200cc, then in 2011 evolving into a four-valve. In total Stelvio sold about 7,000 units. In comparison the short lived Aprilia CapoNord 1200 sold better, totaling about 5,000 from 2013 to 2016."

seems that he should know his products better, but then he probably is busy with the new standards....and counting valves.

Mark

[blackcat]

"BMW’s veteran R1200GS dominates the highly competitive maxi-enduro market, with strong competition from KTM’s Adventure and Duke, and from Triumph’s Tigers. Both makes invested substantially to win their parts of this market. Piaggio does not currently see an opportunity in such investment."

[not-fishing]

I find it interesting how they overlook the 1000 Stelvio built from 2004 till the new 1200 is not included.

[pete roper]

I find it interesting how they overlook the 1000 Stelvio built from 2004 till the new 1200 is not included.

Ah, yes, the one that didn't exist. It predated the 1200 2V Stelvio that also didn't exist!

I think it quite pitiful that this useless suit is not only so ignorant of his company's products but also so utterly cavalier about the custodianship of the once great Guzzi name.

This sort of guff just slams another nail in the lid of the coffin of my disinterest in anything to do with Piaggio. What a bunch of soulless bastards!

Pete

[john hooper]

 I don't  want motoguzzi  novelties  i want a bike that looks as good as the  bonnerville  1200  and performs as well with no annoying  built in hassles,  ie intermittent starting syndrome,  is that to much to ask?.

John

[Chuck in Indiana]

I think it quite pitiful that this useless suit is not only so ignorant of his company's products but also so utterly cavalier about the custodianship of the once great Guzzi name.

plus one brazillion..

[Tusayan]

I think it quite pitiful that this useless suit is not only so ignorant of his company's products but also so utterly cavalier about the custodianship of the once great Guzzi name.

This sort of guff just slams another nail in the lid of the coffin of my disinterest in anything to do with Piaggio. What a bunch of soulless bastards!

Pete

Some people figured this out quite a while ago, say 2004, based on Piaggio's 1969-2003 custodianship of Gilera.  You can't change a leopard's spots.  Others took longer.  Aprilia was a scooter company that didn't know how to deal with Guzzi, Piaggio is a scooter company that doesn't share Moto Guzzi values. There's a difference but it was regardless a slippery slope.

[John in PA]

Moto Guzzi: Making "Limited Edition" Motorcycles since 1921!      

Seriously, too bad about the demise of these great models.  (Just another reason to hate environmental "non-science" and big government intrusion in more and more arenas of life.) 

[Lcarlson]

Moto Guzzi: Making "Limited Edition" Motorcycles since 1921!      

Seriously, too bad about the demise of these great models.  (Just another reason to hate environmental "non-science" and big government intrusion in more and more arenas of life.)

????

[John in PA]

????

As in, they don't make many of ANY model, compared to large brands.  To have them killed off by bureaucrats forcing unrealistic and most likely unnecessary emissions requirements hurts all the more.

 It's bad enough that lackluster sales and lousy company support of dealers hampers the brand already...

YMMV 

[LowRyter]

Looking forward to the new Guzzis.  I don't see a downside.  They are talking about replacing the 1200 8v with something new and presumably better.  This hints at new and sportier bikes.  Perhaps the new LeMans and Stelvio? 

It sounds Bigly.  Tremendous. 

[Chuck in Indiana]

Looking forward to the new Guzzis.  I don't see a downside.  They are talking about replacing the 1200 8v with something new and presumably better.  This hints at new and sportier bikes.  Perhaps the new LeMans and Stelvio? 

It sounds Bigly.  Tremendous.

I'll be sure to hold my breath.  I've heard rumors of the "New LeMans" for years..

[travelingbyguzzi]

According to the talking heads, it is always 'newer and better'
Of my 5 Guzzis, the '85 Cal II has been my most stalwart companion.

[blackcat]

I'll be sure to hold my breath.  I've heard rumors of the "New LeMans" for years..

I would be shocked if we ever see a new LeMans while Piaggio is running the company.

[Demar]

"BMW’s veteran R1200GS dominates the highly competitive maxi-enduro market, with strong competition from KTM’s Adventure and Duke, and from Triumph’s Tigers. Both makes invested substantially to win their parts of this market. Piaggio does not currently see an opportunity in such investment."

This is why there will not be a new Stelvio, even a "baby Stelvio". MG doesn't see an opportunity in this market segment. MG will focus on retro V7's and V9"s and cruisers. It won't compete in the ADV market and it won't compete in the sport market.

[Lcarlson]

Looking forward to the new Guzzis.  I don't see a downside.  They are talking about replacing the 1200 8v with something new and presumably better.  This hints at new and sportier bikes.  Perhaps the new LeMans and Stelvio? 

It sounds Bigly.  Tremendous.

I agree, and am cautiously optimistic about what is apparently in the pipeline (Since my Cali is my first Guzzi, maybe I'm not as primed for disappointment as some of you old timers).  There is a conspicuous gap in the current lineup between the small block middleweights and the California cruisers, so this will be interesting.

[John Ulrich]

In total Stelvio sold about 7,000 units.

Selling 800 units a year is a hobby not a business.

[John in PA]

Selling 800 units a year is a hobby not a business.

Ouch.  Sad, but oh too true...   

[Xlratr]

Selling 800 units a year is a hobby not a business.

Then they did 0.05% of their Stelvio business since 2012 with me! Does that make me a "Key Account"? [emoji3]

I'm not so pessimistic. Like I've said before, I reckon there'll be something interesting and water-cooled at the EICMA this year. There has to be!

And if not, well I've got a new Stelvio [emoji1]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[pete roper]

Some people figured this out quite a while ago, say 2004, based on Piaggio's 1969-2003 custodianship of Gilera.  You can't change a leopard's spots.  Others took longer.  Aprilia was a scooter company that didn't know how to deal with Guzzi, Piaggio is a scooter company that doesn't share Moto Guzzi values. There's a difference but it was regardless a slippery slope.

From 2008/9 through to 2016 they had a full range of truly *Modern* world competitive motorbikes in the Griso, Stelvio, Norge, Sport and Bellagio. They were under promoted and advertised and their great virtues of reliability and easy maintenance were hidden under a bushel. Piaggio then kill them, they say, because of emissions to which I say 'Horseshit!'.

If they were honest they'd say that the main reasons were low sales, (See above!) and the fact that with Marzocchi no longer making forks finding a different front end for most of their range was going to be a chore. Also all the designs were getting a bit long in the tooth.

As it is though Guzzi has been condemned to building smallblocks and the Calis and I'm sorry but I think they're garbage. Horrid, overweight, evil handling, under-suspended shopping trolleys. The antithesis of what Guzzi once was.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Quit sugar coating it, Pete..
I agree

[LowRyter]

well anyway, he's promising something new. And should have a hint at EICMA and bikes in '18.

The discussion was against the Stelvio and Griso.  If it's another V9 or 1400 Cali variant it wouldn't be a new powerplant.  So you can see the 100ml beaker at 99 or 1. 

[beetle]

A new engine could be anything from an 8 valve small block to a water cooled 900cc 140HP monster with double overhead chrome plated donut makers and twin reversible fox tail injectors. Or it might just mean they're painting the blocks a different shade of black.

[LowRyter]

A new engine could be anything from an 8 valve small block to a water cooled 900cc 140HP monster with double overhead chrome plated donut makers and twin reversible fox tail injectors. Or it might just mean they're painting the blocks a different shade of black.

You've filled and drained that beaker many times.

[beetle]

You've filled and drained that beaker many times.

The beaker and I exist in separate frames of reference.

[Bud]

     I usually look at the glass half empty but lets take a realistic look. My cali 1400 is my first Guzzi and so I'm a newby and this bike has had some issues but there is nothing like it out there. Moto Guzzi has been saved several times and now it's by Piaggio. I think we should all be thankful the brand is even still around. If Guzzi was an American company it would have been gone long ago. Look at Victory, probably sold 50 times more bikes each year than Guzzi and axed. I say lets hope for more and better bikes.

[Chuck in Indiana]

That's a good point, Bud..

[Muzz]

From 2008/9 through to 2016 they had a full range of truly *Modern* world competitive motorbikes in the Griso, Stelvio, Norge, Sport and Bellagio.
As it is though Guzzi has been condemned to building smallblocks and I'm sorry but I think they're garbage. Horrid, overweight, evil handling, under-suspended shopping trolleys. The antithesis of what Guzzi once was.

I didn't think the B750 was THAT overweight..... (or have I chopped a couple of words out)