Switching V7 II for Griso??

[waxi]

Guys, I need your help.

Maybe (just maybe) there exists an option that I give my loved blue V7 back to the dealer and get the Griso. Griso is new, 2015 (red), with 0 kilometers. They said, that even battery was never connected. Their price for Griso is 13.200 euros and mine is by their calculation worth 6.200 euros. So, for compensation I should leave my bike there and add another 7000.

1. If I get it, would I have any problems with stalling (map problems) or oil problems (engine breathing) from stock?
2. Are there any other known problems?
3. Since is 2015 it should be already rollerised, right?
4. First service is no big-deal?

Thanks for info.

[pete roper]

Depends what you want. For the definitive statement by one owner who made the switch due to unfortunate circumstances search up 'Clancy's posts. His V7-II was taken out by a 'roo and he moved to a Griso. He doesn't regret it in the least but it's by his own admission *Different*.

At the end of the day the Griso is larger, heavier and as well as being more powerful, (By an order of about three!) it is *Almost* a modern motorbike in the fact it has real suspension at both ends of a massively strong frame and a respectable power output coupled with, if set up right, stupid torque. The V7's remain a modernised version of a 1970's motorbike. Not that there is anything wrong with that but if they'd just put the powerplant in a modern chassis it would be a heap more fun.

Is it worth the price of changeover? Only you can answer that my friend!

Pete

[waxi]

If I'm honest, I wanted to get Griso in a first place (Griso vs R NineT), but at the time wallet had some different priorities. Indeed, this is THE most beautiful bike ever and now, when it's out of production the desire is even larger. Opportunity is really nice... it is 2 years old and still unused. Great for some price drop, but damn... that's a lot of money.

What makes me angry is that there would probably be no other chance. CARC bikes are apparently dead and as I read, there would be no more Griso-like bike produced in Mandello. Ever. Yes, it's heavier and more powerful... but that's what I miss sometimes on a V7 (especially on a highway). On the other hand, V7 is lighter and simpler.

Meh... I am totally confused now and have no idea what should I do

P.S: Can someone answer this 4 questions at the top?

[vstevens]

Sleep on it

[tazio]

Received a new 2015 GRiSO on Feb14, 2016.
#1 No and no
#2 No
#3 Yes
#4 Correct, especially when Guzzi Steve does it!
13 thousand trouble free miles so far.
Installed Dart Marlin and Corbin Gunfighter.
Leaving this Tuesday for 6 day trip to the "End of the World".

[pete roper]

Simplistic answers.

1. The stock map is the same one that has been in the Griso since about 2012. It performs in an adequate if rather pedestrian way. As long as you don't over fill the sump you shouldn't have any breathing or oil expulsion problems.

2. Not really. Nothing jumps immediately to mind.

3. Everything built from the middle of 2012 has the roller top end ex-factory.

4. It is strongly advised that at the first or second service the swingarm and shock linkage bearings be greased as they aren't at the factory. Apart from this the first, and all subsequent services are a doddle. Oil and filter changes, valve lash adjust, TB balance and TPS re-set are about the extent of it. Every couple of years do the brake and clutch fluid. Unless you're doing big distances that's about it.

They aren't making the CARC bikes any more. When they're gone they're gone. You'll never get another chance to buy a new, unmollested, Griso. Choose wisely.

Pete

[Travlr]

Grioso's are the past, the V7/V9 is the future.

M

[twowings]

Don't be in the dark, go CARC! 

[Adan]

For what kind of riding?  I found the Griso to be a bit cumbersome for urban use.  Fairly strong clutch lever pull, not nearly as agile as a V7, and some pretty fierce heat coming up through the seat.  Quite fun to point and squirt, but usually riding the Griso in the city made me just want to get OUT of the city as quickly as possible. 

For touring, I'd make a strong case for the V7.  More comfortable ergos for long days, and far greater range on a tank.

If it's B-road thrills your after, the Griso will deliver far more than a V7. 

Sounds cliché, but I always got off my Griso feeling like my manhood had been tested and amplified.  Back when a typical day involved clubbing saber tooth tigers, you could get that feeling in spades.  Nowadays, it's pretty rare, so nice to be able to walk out to your garage, turn a key, and get it in spades.

[Moto]

Sounds clich�, but I always got off my Griso feeling like my manhood had been tested and amplified.  Back when a typical day involved clubbing saber tooth tigers, you could get that feeling in spades.  Nowadays, it's pretty rare, so nice to be able to walk out to your garage, turn a key, and get it in spades.

Lessee. Where'd I put my tiger club?

[pete roper]

I find the 'Heat from the seat' comment a bit baffling? The only things under the seat are the airbox and battery on a Griso. Neither of which produce heat. As for it beating you up? Well, the suspension is under sprung and over damped but that is easily dealt with. The idea that the V9 is the 'Future' is risible.

Pete

[Huzo]

I've ridden an '07 Norge from new and can't figure the hot seat thing. I reckon all it does is turn any riding day into one about 3 deg warmer, not always a bad thing. I regularly get on my mate's R 1100 S BMW and feel like I'm nursing a bag of frozen veggies around my nether regions. The Norge feels like there's something "alive" under the tank by comparison. It's nice and cosy where you like it (????). I know you are referring to a Griso and I've never been on one, ( perhaps best I don't ) but it can't be much different surely ?

[Clancy]

Hi Waxi, I got your PM but I might as well answer here for everyone.

I've been using the Griso almost daily since I got it.
Like any change of bike, there are some things about it that I've had to get used to.
They're the obvious things - extra weight & longer wheelbase.
(Actually, the feel of wheelbase instantly reminded me of my old Suzuki VX800 so much I had to look it up - only 11mm difference!)
You WILL notice the difference pushing the Griso around!

You may also notice that the Griso will at first feel a bit more cramped.
I'm only 174cm (5'8") but your feet are placed higher than the V7, so even though it's a "Standard" seating position it can feel tighter.
For the first week I thought I'd get lower footpegs but after that it felt fine & normal.
I never noticed any overly long reach to the bars that some others have mentioned.

My bike is a tool first & foremost. I have to be comfortable commuting on it above any consideration of 'weekend fun'.
That's why I originally went with the V7, and I still found the V7 to be an absolute hoot on the local country roads.
One of my first concerns about the Griso was that it wouldn't work for me as a commuter.
Thankfully I've found the bike to be surprisingly civilised at the speeds required in traffic and I'm really enjoying it.

Due to some minor injuries, sustained while discussing the 'right of way' with a friendly kangaroo, I was forced to take it pretty slowly getting familiar with the Griso.
I'm all good now but am yet to give the local twisties a go with it.
Part of the reason for that is I'm finding myself overly nervous about native fauna....and the other is that it's winter & I live in one of the frostier regions in Oz.

I have taken the bike to Sydney, a 6hr return trip on the highway.
Obviously again, this is an area the Griso shits on the V7 - not that the V7 isn't capable, I did that round trip comfortably at least a dozen times in the 2 years I had the V7. But the Griso is simply better at it.

I was very keen to find out how I felt on the Griso in Sydney's shitty bumper to bumper inner city traffic.
Although the lanes are narrower than in Canberra, I still comfortably moved between the stationary cars in most situations.
Sometimes you just have to wait for a gap to open up but I usually managed as well as I ever did on the V7, even when I found myself stuck at a standstill in the middle of the Harbour Tunnel - and those 2 lanes are as tight as you can get!
(Ok, yes, I did clip a couple of car mirrors - the Griso's bars/mirrors are WIDE - but if you're stupid enough to live in that shitty city (that I grew up in), AND be stupid enough to drive a car, then you're going to get the occasional kiss from other vehicles  )

I'm still using the factory map but plan on getting a Beetle Map as soon as I can sort out the exhaust situation (my bike came with a basic carbon fibre looking pipe extension, not a muffler, so I am using a borrowed stock pipe at the moment).
I've found the factory map to be reasonable, a bit snatchy rolling on/off throttle, and absolutely shit with mileage!
At legal speeds and moving traffic, I'm only getting 13.5 - 14.5 km/l.
On the highway I got up to 16 km/l.
(calculated myself - not using the dash displayed value, which is normally close anyway).

Having grown up in the city I wasn't used to riding on dirt roads.
I was only just starting to feel comfortable taking the V7 out on the graded roads and exploring areas I hadn't been to/through before, so I'm keen to try to get into that again come springtime. I'm not sure how I'll feel doing this on the Griso , we'll just have to see.

Am I happy with change in bike?
Totally.
The only times I find myself really missing the V7 is when I'm pushing the Griso around the yard, or when I'm calculating when I need to fill up (yet again).
Would I miss the Griso if I went back to a V7?
Let's just say that there is no going back 

[pete roper]

Craig, if it's using that much fuel something ain't right. Also I *Thought* we'd stuck the Beetlemap for a stock pipe in before I handed it over.

Can you get it back out this week? I can pick it up if you want. Probably better if I lend you the Mana again but that fuel economy, even in a Canberra winter on a commute is stupid. Back brake isn't dragging is it?

Pete

[Clancy]

I think its 2230G803
(via Guzzidiag in full - IAW 5AM PF2C CM227001 IAW5AMHW610 2230G803 5AMCC WLoad1039T 2017.05.02)
Were the valve gaps spaced for a Beetle Map? I've been meaning to ask anyway.

Rear brake isn't dragging or it've been smoking by the time I got to Sydney!
Got 'Sitting' for the next 2 weeks    then it's the 6 week Winter Break    when 'they' go on european summer holidays and when I can drive through the fog & frost to work instead - so the bike will be on ice weekdays anyway.

[pete roper]

Gaps are 4 & 6 but that wouldn't explain the stupid fuel economy. Tell you what, I'll drop in with the Mana some time this week and do the swap at Parliament House. I'm not happy with that FE figure, not happy at all.

Pete

[Clancy]

Sounds good. But I'd hate to be the one making you work back - I know what you're workshop is like in winter....

I'd read on The Ghetto that bad mileage is a 'feature' of these bikes until they get some real km's on them, so I wasn't too worried - thinking that use, better exhaust & better map would eventually sort it out.
I'd also noted that the FE improves when the engine gets hot (well duh), and it's only 20 odd km to work, so I also thought that maybe the engine wasn't heating up enough on such a short trip - but then it didn't get much better the other week when I did a 60km early morning ride from Slurry Hills (...sorry, Surry Hills) to Eastern Creek & back.

[beetle]

I think its 2230G803
(via Guzzidiag in full - IAW 5AM PF2C CM227001 IAW5AMHW610 2230G803 5AMCC WLoad1039T 2017.05.02)

Nup. Firstly, I don't edit the software or hardware values in the maps. Secondly, the tester and date (WLoad1039T & 2017.05.02) tell me it's been reflashed by GuzziDiag. I'd say the short commute isn't allowing the engine to get hot enough for the maximum fuel correction to happen.

[Kev m]

Waxi, I LOVE my V7 and was only meh about the Griso. Actually when I bought my Buell S3T I realized it was sorta a Buell Griso and similarly since it was out of production I was tempted to keep it even though I realized it just wasn't "me".

But ya know what, I was damn glad that I bought it and I didn't lose anything on it.

So what do you think my advice is going to be based on that?

Buy the Griso. You'll never know till you do, and the opportunities will dwindle as time goes on.

And if you hate it then you'll be able to get back into a smallblock.

So why not, you only live once.

[zebraranger]

I got my 2016 Griso at Christmas time, been loving it ever since. I enjoy this bike today as much as I did on day one. Five of my previous 6 bikes were Triumphs, most recently a 13 Trophy SE. The Griso has more unique character than any other bike that I've owned, probably why I'm still enjoying it so much. The factory suspension needs to be set up based on your size, weight and style of riding, once set, its great. If the price is right, I say go for it. I got mine at a great end of the year clearance price of $11,500 US. I had to pull the trigger because once they're gone, they're gone and not coming back.

[WitchCityGuzzi]

We have a V7II and a Griso SE. They're both great bikes, but the Griso has "muchness".

Pretty special bike.  The like, we may not see from Guzzi again for a long time.

Don't let anyone tell you can't go anywhere on them either. My wife is 5'10" and rode hers on an 8000 mile cross country trip including a run up to Alaska on it.

[tazio]

  My Heroine!!



Here's my travel companion

[Chuck in Indiana]

Kev said..

Buy the Griso. You'll never know till you do, and the opportunities will dwindle as time goes on.

And I agree with him. 
I was in much the same situation back when I bought my Centauro. They were out of production, and I thought they were kool. Scoured the country to find one in North Carolina, brought it home, and had many happy years and miles.
The Grease O is just a modern Centauro. There is nothing else like it..
If you find you don't bond with it, you'll at least not wonder what if.   Sorta like that hot looking lady over there..

[keener]

i would bet....that after riding the Griso and appreciating what a great motorcycle it is...you will forget all about any V7 , i test rode a V7 and a V9  and they are nice bikes ....just nice though... thats all ....my opinion.. yes, but i felt it has to be said ...there is no comparison..
ok flame away

[waxi]

Thank you all for your feedback.

I've called my dealer yesterday about their statement of how much my V7 is worth (6200€). They said that this is last offer they can make, but on local craigslist price for Stones is about 7500. I was really not happy with it and they've somehow put me in a corner. Also, I don't think I would sell it myself fast enough, but apparently this is the only option...

Will see...

[Kev m]

Thank you all for your feedback. [emoji144]

I've called my dealer yesterday about their statement of how much my V7 is worth (6200€). They said that this is last offer they can make, but on local craigslist price for Stones is about 7500. I was really not happy with it and they've somehow put me in a corner. Also, I don't think I would sell it myself fast enough, but apparently this is the only option...

Will see...

Something to consider is that when trading a vehicle you shouldn't get the retail value for it because you're not selling it at retail. They need to make something on it for their efforts.

Also is CL is showing bikes listed at 7500 that doesn't mean they are selling for that.

So maybe they're selling for 7000, and the dealership is leaving only 800 on the table for their possible profit, maybe even less as there's no guarantee what it will sell for and how fast.

[roadscum]

Thank you all for your feedback.

I've called my dealer yesterday about their statement of how much my V7 is worth (6200�). They said that this is last offer they can make, but on local craigslist price for Stones is about 7500. I was really not happy with it and they've somehow put me in a corner. Also, I don't think I would sell it myself fast enough, but apparently this is the only option...

Will see...

Remember ..... the dealer's gotta make a few $$$ on your trade so that he can keep the doors open. On Craigslist you can ask anything your want but it probably wont sell at the price YOU think it worth. Check KBB or NADA to  get an idea of trade-in and retail value in your area then decide if you want to attempt to sell it yourself  on Craigslist or accept the dealers trade-in offer.

Good luck with which ever way you decide to move. 

Paul

[waxi]

Actually... now I am thinking... How do we know CARC's are really dead? Not to be offensive to anybody, but was there any official statement? We can read a lot about it here on WG, but from where this information really came from?

Please, don't shoot me. Maybe I'm just over optimistic :)

[pete roper]

Numerous statements in the press from Piaggio suits for starters. Then there is the fact that they have vanished from all advertising and promotion materials.

[Zoom Zoom]

Thank you all for your feedback.

I've called my dealer yesterday about their statement of how much my V7 is worth (6200�). They said that this is last offer they can make, but on local craigslist price for Stones is about 7500. I was really not happy with it and they've somehow put me in a corner. Also, I don't think I would sell it myself fast enough, but apparently this is the only option...

Will see...

I too agree 100% with the other responses regarding trade in value. Consider the changes to the V7 line that have happened fairly quickly over the last several years, not to mention any incentives on new bikes. It could be hard to sell by a dealer when he or she has new V7's and V9's for a grand off. (or whatever) A used bike, however pristine, sitting along side the brand new variant of the same bike will have to be priced enough different to be attractive to a potential buyer.

I have heard my dealer tell prospective customers many times that they would be better off selling their bike outright and bring him the money for a down payment. I have also heard him tell me he will take certain bikes on trade because he will not have any trouble selling them. The used Griso I recently posted about is a good example of that.

John Henry