Why won't they do it ?..(for Kremmen)

[Huzo]

Shyte Huzo, you shdda been on the stage - ....   the one that left town half an hour ago

One of my trusty old schoolboy jokes ;-p

have fun on your travels
Kev

Nah....I used to think the theatre was a great institution, I just wasn't ready for an institution!

[Old Jock]

If you haven't yet found it John Noble's photoessay and summary of a five speed overhaul is far more detailed and better than mine. I think it's on the same site, if not its in the archives of Guzzitek.dk

Pete

 

Great Techy resource that page............... .mine are piffling..Pete's engine rebuild and my gbx effort should be enough to tear down a Tonti and put it all together with a little bit of care

http://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzitech.dk/gb_en_complex-technical.htm

[KiwiKev]

Nah....I used to think the theatre was a great institution, I just wasn't ready for an institution!

How do you manage to type in that straight jacket ????


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[KiwiKev]

If you haven't yet found it John Noble's photoessay and summary of a five speed overhaul is far more detailed and better than mine. I think it's on the same site, if not its in the archives of Guzzitek.dk

Pete

Thanks Pete

I'll check it out, I think Roy mentioned this months ago too / brain fade.


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[Huzo]

How do you manage to type in that straight jacket ????


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It's ok as long as I only type in straight lines !

[Huzo]

Hey I just stumbled over this thread while searching for some stuff..
A fair bit of it sounds less ridiculous than two years ago, especially the bit about putting a revamped V9 donk in something less cringeworthy than a Roamer..
Check out opening post..

[Litre1000]

I’ve been shopping for “something special” for a year now. I’ve got my bagger (Victory Vision Arlen Ness Edition). I’ve got my bar-hopper (Victory Vegas). I’ve got my Japanese ginsu-knife (Interceptor 1000). Now I want something special. Something that removes you from reality, like a drug. The MGS-01 brought me to Moto Guzzi. Realizing I can’t get one made me dig deeper into their portfolio to see if another model speaks to me. There’s the Daytona. Extremely rare in northern Illinois. The V11 doesn’t really work for me. The Griso...close, but not enough. That leaves a Sport 1100 from the mid 90’s. That was a long time ago. I do like kinda like em. But, I have never ridden one, or any Guzzi for that matter. I have found a nice one that seems fairly priced. But the “pull” isn’t quite there like it was for my previous acquisitions. The MGS-01 has it. Settling for a 95 Sport 1100....? Man, I don’t know. The two seem so far apart. The powers-that-be seem so stupid to not build that EXACT bike, with a streetable engine.

[Murray]

A fair bit of it sounds less ridiculous than two years ago, especially the bit about putting a revamped V9 donk in something less cringeworthy than a Roamer..

Like an anchor locker? :P

[Huzo]

Like an anchor locker? :P

Or a V85

[Tom]

I’ve been shopping for “something special” for a year now. I’ve got my bagger (Victory Vision Arlen Ness Edition). I’ve got my bar-hopper (Victory Vegas). I’ve got my Japanese ginsu-knife (Interceptor 1000). Now I want something special. Something that removes you from reality, like a drug. The MGS-01 brought me to Moto Guzzi. Realizing I can’t get one made me dig deeper into their portfolio to see if another model speaks to me. There’s the Daytona. Extremely rare in northern Illinois. The V11 doesn’t really work for me. The Griso...close, but not enough. That leaves a Sport 1100 from the mid 90’s. That was a long time ago. I do like kinda like em. But, I have never ridden one, or any Guzzi for that matter. I have found a nice one that seems fairly priced. But the “pull” isn’t quite there like it was for my previous acquisitions. The MGS-01 has it. Settling for a 95 Sport 1100....? Man, I don’t know. The two seem so far apart. The powers-that-be seem so stupid to not build that EXACT bike, with a streetable engine.

They did.  They didn't sell.  Daytona 1000 and Daytona 1100RS come up for sale occasionally.  You can't really quibble over the prices however. 

[Murray]

They did.  They didn't sell.  Daytona 1000 and Daytona 1100RS come up for sale occasionally.  You can't really quibble over the prices however.

The RS is also a 1000 unfortunatly the US got the flacid A kit motor in the RS, niether handle anything like a MGS there is close to 15 years between the frames and geometry. I've never ridden one maybe @old jock can comment, annecdotally the Magni Australia handles very well, however if you think a RS for sale is hard to find and expensive the Magni is next level.

[Tom]

Totally agree. 

[Litre1000]

Since I’ve never ridden any of these bikes...and really wanting an MGS-01... I don’t think a Daytona even comes close to being acceptable? And that’s a shame since once every 5 years one pops up. The MAGNI is extremely rare and expensive. And the 95 Sport is probably not even worth considering because it’s just so sedate in every way. The generational jump from model to model is probably so extreme. Unlike a Honda CBR1000RR. The differences from one generation to the next are more subtle due to there being so many generations in the same block of time. That’s why they need to make another MGS-01. Moto Guzzi needs to try harder to attract new customers. Or not........
JUST BUILD THE DAMN BIKE !!! 

[Murray]

A lightly tuned and well sorted Sport is pretty close to the A kit Daytona or slightly better its ine ball. They are 25 plus year old bikes and shouldn't be confused with anying that has modern performance. The MGS won't keep up in the top end with the likes of an R1 of similar era and its a bit porky when compared to a modern sports bike, something like a 1198 might come close, the Aprilia RSV1000's on paper should be close to the MGS but the're not.

[Tom]

If you're looking for a sport Moto Guzzi.  "Ain't" happening.  Wrong brand.  Piaggio's answer is the Aprilia line.

[Murray]

If you're looking for a sport Moto Guzzi.  "Ain't" happening.  Wrong brand.  Piaggio's answer is the Aprilia line.

With thimble sized fuel tanks that might get you to the next servo, if you ride in a manner unbecomming of a sports bike. BMW HP2 sport is probablly the closest thing anyone made to MGS-01 for the road.

[Knuckle Dragger]

I know this has been covered from a thousand angles, but why oh why does Guzzi REFUSE to build a soft edged sports bike around the V9mill ? I've been told why you can't just put a Griso donk in an MGS 01 and add a couple of lights in Mandello and go for a ride... I reluctantly accept that. However with their (reputedly) diminishing market share in some parts of the world (Oz), what is the barrier to building something that pays some degree of homage to the MGS, option it up with Ohlins for those who want it, and maybe release a variant with an 850 donk and call it the V8, again a commentary on the legendary past, (it works for the V7 and V9) and make bloody sure you paint the bastard RED ! Here in Oz, the laws are such that it's becoming completely pointless owning and servicing a 300 kph bike and most guys know it, there's not a lot of Panigale's around. Any sports bike that is raw and pseudo race ready gives the average young buyer a chubby, and it MUST be possible after seeing the MGS. Every bastard loves them, but Guzzi won't/(can't) do it. If they don't grab more market share they'll go under eventually, won't they? I'd expect it would need the CARC ass end for the single sided swing arm, so I don't know how that can be done with the V9, I'm just shit scared that they'll eventually realise that they can make a fortune producing bright red flat pack kitchen setups under licence from IKEA or something equally ridiculous and all the bike stuff will be relegated to the back shed, until in 25 years time some rich industrialist will "resurrect" the brand and start putting electric motors in them. Although won't be all bad, Roper'll be on his Enfield, Dusty'll be in a rocking chair with pipe and slippers and I'll be dead ! 'Funny thing is, I don't actually want one, I just think lots of potential buyers do, they just don't know it yet ! Guzzi have to stop their model line up being for old farts and hipsters ! They've been going out of business since 1921, if they keep trying, they'll succeed...

Couldn't agree more Huzo.  I've always lusted after one myself.  Just the merest glance leaves me literally turgid with desire.  A full  2 1/2" of Sheffield-steel-hard throbbing gristle.  Yet the desire will never be fulfilled, let alone satiated.  Its rarity, too much moolah, too tight a racing crouch, and obviously the "trackday only" application renders it simultaneously impractical & unattainable.

It's also not really a 'proper' Guzzi!  Ghezzi & Brian were contracted to design & build the prototype, build that special engine & I suspect much of the ensuing bodywork & oh-so-gorgeous handcrafted rear-end alloy 'arm & vestigial parallelogram linkage. As such it's probably the last hurrah of in-house/specialist subcontractual Guzzi race R&D.  Making it all the more sexy, desirable & erotically exotic.

But to me the MGS 01 represents perhaps the purest expression yet of the Moto Guzzi marque.  In exactly the same way as the bevel drive 750/860/900SS Ducatis of the late 70 & early 80's do for the Bolognese bikes.  Selling mine is probably one of my greatest regrets.

This is the only road version that I've ever seen:  so at least one saw the light of day....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edHTbI6fMmA&t=47s

& in reverse perspective so that sonorous Termingnoni bark can weave its magic....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk_msGD3icE

I would've loved to've ridden with my dad.  However he hadn't ridden since the '30s (AJS & Douglas)  & died nearly 30 years ago.  Took him out a few times on my old Duke, which he loved.

Yet sometimes these obects of youthful lust & desire are in reality best left unrealised.  Just as The Who's 1967 song 'Pictures of Lily' states, that hornbag motorcycle may be much better viewed at a distance.  That stunning ubermodel "Eccentrica Gallumbitz, the triple-breasted whore from Eroticon VI whose erogenous zones start several meters from her actual body" (with profound apologies to the late Douglas Adams for paraphrasing his comedic masterpiece), whilst the object of vigorous pubescent masturbatory fantasies may in reality actually be well-aged, sagging, wrinkled, overweight & pox-ridden".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s

Guzzi's MGS 01 is very much like that in my own mind.  Its purity of design, curvaceous lines and husky, sexy means of communicating with the rider is I fear better left as mere fantasy.  For fear the translation to reality is actually much more prosaic or pedestrian.  Better to metaphorically keep 'spanking the monkey' than to face the risk of post-coital letdown & disappointment!

[Huzo]

You only have to want to badly enough.
See here’s the thing.
There are many stinking custom bikes and one off specials that are constructed from bare tubing and checked by engineers to pass local regs.
Now if it’s possible to do that, where is the point where you hit the wall if you had an MGS and worked towards grafting a Griso or Daytona mill into one ?
If Pete walked out one morning and found an MGS on his doorstep with no engine and a red ribbon tied in a bow around it, and had a Griso donk under the bench, do you think he’d die wondering if it could be shoehorned in ?
Earlier posts on this subject revealed the sad news that the alternator would not have enough room, or the fuse box has nowhere to go except zip tied to the left foot peg or some other trifling technicality.
If a Griso mill passes emissions regs in a Griso, should it not pass the same regs in an MGS ?
Lights , horn and other ancillary equipment would be hurdles to overcome in isolation.
Pete says it’d be pointless, why then is it not just as pointless turning 1200 Grisoes and Stelvioes into 1400’s ?
Beetle says when referring to the thread..
“From hell’s heart I stab at thee..”
Ok..!
But that is not an empirical statement of why it is a worthless notion.
If it’s not as fast as a Panigale or similar, why own a “mighty” Griso for heaven’s sake, an overweight underpowered slug compared to a Desmosedici Ducati, yet hard nosed Guzzisti who’ve been riding since Christ died, go weak in the nether regions at the very utterance of the Griso name..
BS..
If our man from down under decided he wanted to do it, who among us would bet against him succeeding ?
And if he put it up for sale with 12 months rego hanging off it’s gorgeous arse, how long would it remain his ?

[Huzo]

With thimble sized fuel tanks that might get you to the next servo, if you ride in a manner unbecomming of a sports bike.

Has the same capacity as a Griso..
(Nice try though)

[Turin]

It cracks me up how some old bikes are seen through such heavily tinted rose colored glasses, and how " facts " evolve over time.

[Muzz]

I was just browsing on TradeMe tonight and someone had a Bellagio for sale here in Canterbury.  I was just imagining it with a V7 style tank on it instead of the flaccid whale penis; would look nice.  Don't know why they put that style of tank on it.

[Huzo]

It cracks me up how some old bikes are seen through such heavily tinted rose colored glasses, and how " facts " evolve over time.

Do any of the bikes featured in your stable fit that bill ?

[Murray]

Has the same capacity as a Griso..
(Nice try though)

With twice the HP you want 200hp out you've got to put it in.

[Tennmoto]

Well they did make this gem, fast enough to kill me and generates lots of nice comments when I post pics
Or park it.it is a widow maker too.

[Old Jock]

The RS is also a 1000 unfortunatly the US got the flacid A kit motor in the RS, niether handle anything like a MGS there is close to 15 years between the frames and geometry. I've never ridden one maybe @old jock can comment, annecdotally the Magni Australia handles very well, however if you think a RS for sale is hard to find and expensive the Magni is next level.

Well you asked, so

I don't really get the fuss over the MGS-01. Don't get me wrong, I do think it's stunning and if the specs are anything to go by it will go like S**t off the proverbial shovel. The downsides for me are it does appear very Ghezzi & Brian (and as Knuckle Dragger pointed out one of them were in collaboration with Guzzi on the styling). It's a track bike as well and needs more maintnenance than your average helicopter.

As far as cost it commands a higher price than any Magni Guzzi that I know of

Comparing the early Daytona I owned for a long time and the Australia. The Daytona you sat quite high in, it had all the steering speed of a supertanker and on twisties after a few miles I felt like Popeye such was the arm pump and muscle required to get it to turn in. Oddly It also gave me the impression at slower speeds that it was going to fall over as it entered the turn. That said get it on a fast road with sweepers and it was a complete blast. Very stable both upright and in the turns, lots of confidence at speed and no drama, unless you needed to change direction in a hurry, then things got very exciting very quickly. The engine was wonderful and I like the styling on the early Daytonas too. I should point out later bikes got rid of the useless Marzochis and I think the head angle was steepened a little, apparently these mods went a long way to sorting the lazy handling.

The Australia is just capable simply that it tracks and handles better than any other Guzzi I've ridden, all I can tell you is it's a very capable and fun bike. The power and sound out the full fat C kitted engine is glorious too. I reckon that US Australias will also have the C kit on the Series II bikes as Magni as a low volume manufacturer was able to escape a lot of the regs Guzzi had to adhere to a (high?) volume manufacturer

I agree that although a well tuned sport comes pretty dammed close to a Daytona engine, IMHO it just does not have the same urgency. The 4V is just much more fun and feels faster. The tone, the revs, the way the power comes on is a bigger rush for me. The Sporti is more linear, I love the Sporti too, just not as much as the Australia.



Perhaps Litre 1000 might be interested in this

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=98136.msg1550285#msg1550285

[Turin]

Quote from: Turin on Today at 03:10:42 AM

It cracks me up how some old bikes are seen through such heavily tinted rose colored glasses, and how " facts " evolve over time.



Do any of the bikes featured in your stable fit that bill ?

No, but bikes I owned a long time ago would fit the bill as memory fades as why I got rid of them. I've had Cagiva Alazzurras on the brain lately because I had one when I was 18 and I "remember" how smoking fast it was. Reality is, if bought one now I'd be completely disappointed, and end up breaking the bank in pursuit squeezing out a few more horsepower.

There are no rose colored glasses when I own something, use it and have to deal with it on a daily basis good and bad. My latest Lemans SE has been knicknamed the MFG (Mother F****'n Guzzi ) as it leaves me stranded, pops of vent hoses, and slowly reveals it's gremlins.

[Diploman]

Huzo, The "soft-edged sport bike" of your fantasy may be nearing reality:  Except that it will be better than just wrapping a sporting chassis around the V9.  There have been multiple reports from Guzzi spokespeople that Guzzi has already created and is testing a road-oriented bike based on the V85 engine. Reportedly this bike is in testing/refinement as we write, and said to be performing "very, very well".  There you go:  Engine is V9 configuration, size and weight, but evolved and redesigned to produce about 80 HP.  None of the V85 testers has complained that the V85 is underpowered.  But they extoll the charm, easy tractability and pleasantness of the engine.  Does a fun sport bike really need 125+ HP to be entertaining?  It appears that Guzzi is in the process of creating just the bike you describe in your opening post- but better.  I am looking forward to this bike.  If the V85 is the runaway hit cited by many Motopress observers, then the road-oriented variant should be enticing.

[Huzo]

Good news.
It’ll be good to see some of these bloke who chuckled uncontrollably, have to pull their heads in when it surfaces.
I might have one of them too, to go with the V85.

[Huzo]

With twice the HP you want 200hp out you've got to put it in.

Was  an answer to the gripe about the “thimble sized fuel capacity” Murray.
Not engine size.

[Murray]

Was  an answer to the gripe about the “thimble sized fuel capacity” Murray.
Not engine size.

One feeds the other the end result is instead of enjoying the ride you've got to constantly manage your range.