V7II or V7III

[gentlemanjim]

I'm on the fence.  I ride very little (2000 miles/year or less), but enjoy my bikes very much.  Would a used V7II make me happy or should I consider the extra dinaro for new V7III?  What's the difference other than the hemi heads on the III?

[Calculon]

The V7II is about an inch taller than the the III if that makes a difference.  You get a tachometer on the II too.

[Edgar]

The V7 III makes a bit more power also, there�s a dyno graph in a thread here somewhere

Here it is, just scroll down

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=92723.0

[bmp72]

I'm kind of on the same fence. I was considering a V9 Roamer but a back-to-back testriding session with a V7-II made it clear the V7 is much more my kind of bike. I like the extra torque of the V9 but the cruiser oriented seating position caused pain in my upper legs  (am not 17 anymore...)

I would normally go for the stone version but I feel they really cheapened out on the III, I don't like the black exhaust, missing tach, el-cheapo gascap, black handle bars (or matte paint). The stone II is much nicer with this respect. A III would need to be a special (in blue please), but the wheels would need to be changed as I insist on tubeless tires (many years ago my sister was killed due to a front tube tire exploding).

Pricewise, a stone II is 8600, a special III can be had for 10000 but would need stone wheels or new rims (these prices are already discounted dealer stock).

Another option would be to get a V9 roamer (costs 7500 with 1000 miles on it) and turn it into a 'special' by swapping out tank, seat, handlebars (as mentioned, to prevent leg pain I need a slightly bend forward position, not straight up). Roamers are really cheap around here, there's 3  low mileage ones around here all costing about 7500 chf (oh ja all prices are in swiss francs).

And then there is the possibility of changes at the EICMA 2017 in a months time...

But first, hoping to arrange a test ride for coming weekend on a V7-III. Apparently quite some changes were made including the seating position...

[jas67]

The V7II is about an inch taller than the the III if that makes a difference.  You get a tachometer on the II too.

Only V7III Stone lack the tack, the V7III Special, Anniversario, and Racer all have a tach.

[gentlemanjim]

Thanks BMP72,

I was thinking a used II (was there a V7I?) Or possibly a Breva 750 your thoughts on those options.

[bmp72]

Thanks BMP72,

I was thinking a used II (was there a V7I?) Or possibly a Breva 750 your thoughts on those options.

The Breva would be to new-school looking for me, I like the old school look of the V7. I would consider a used V7-II but only if the price is good, seems to me that the price of new II's has dropped with the advent of the III. Because of this the difference between a new and used II is too small for me and I would get a new II.

[elvisboy77]

If you can afford a III then go for it, the improvements are substantial.  But if not, you can probably get a nice II and they are both great bikes.  Win-win

[Zoom Zoom]

BMP72, I think I recall some discussion regarding the wheels here on the board. I think even the cast wheels are tube type. I'm not 100% certain about that but if that is a point of interest, it should be considered.

Anyway, to the OP, there will no doubt be a difference in price. If you are able to ride both back to back someplace, you should do so and decide after that. Your desires and expectations need to be met.

John Henry

[fossil]

Riding a 2013 (Europe) V7 "1" myself and having test ridden both the V7 III and the V9 Roamer I can tell you: you would enjoy the II, it has tons of character. But the III is a much better bike.

[bmp72]

BMP72, I think I recall some discussion regarding the wheels here on the board. I think even the cast wheels are tube type. I'm not 100% certain about that but if that is a point of interest, it should be considered.

If that's the case the stone is out, I would get a special and have the rims replaced...

Good question to the dealer I want to visit this evening 

I wonder whether the exhaust note is different between the II and the III... I definitely like the II better than the v9 with this respect, the II was more burbly while the 9 was quieter... maybe the II had an Agostini on it ? The official Swiss website says the exhaust was changed...

[Kev m]

Some thoughts:

* III for me, no way I'd even go II anymore. Nevermind the B750 or V7C 2TB models, no need for plastic, or balancing throttle bodies etc.

* Cast wheels, aren't they the same? I heard some chatter about tubes, but I haven't heard anyone who has pulled a tire yet? Todd at Guzzitech had sad something that he was going to do it, but I don't go there enough to know if he did.

* I like the III Stone, that doesn't look cheap to me, that looks right. Besides, isn't there more metal on the III than the IIs?

Yup, III for me.

Though I'm not getting rid of my 13 for it, so probably nothing for me for a little while at least.

[gentlemanjim]

Thanks all most informative

[gerryp]

BMP72, I think I recall some discussion regarding the wheels here on the board. I think even the cast wheels are tube type. I'm not 100% certain about that but if that is a point of interest, it should be considered.

Anyway, to the OP, there will no doubt be a difference in price. If you are able to ride both back to back someplace, you should do so and decide after that. Your desires and expectations need to be met.

John Henry

The cast wheels on my '15 Stone are tubeless.

Gerry

[Kev m]

The cast wheels on my '15 Stone are tubeless.

Gerry

No it was specifically something to do with the III models was labeled and making people think they were tubed, but I never saw a confirmation.

[redhawk47]

All Stone cast wheels are tubeless.
The question about the III wheels happened because someone saw that the valve stem on the III Stone
had been changed from right angle to straight and they ASS-U-MEd that it was a tube's stem. NOT.

Dan

[twowheeladdict]

$2000 rebate from MG on the 2016 V7s through the end of the year.

[Kev m]

All Stone cast wheels are tubeless.
The question about the III wheels happened because someone saw that the valve stem on the III Stone
had been changed from right angle to straight and they ASS-U-MEd that it was a tube's stem. NOT.

Dan

 

[MMRanch]

I drove 600 mile from Tn. to Pa. to get  a V7-II Stone instead of the V7-III , just because I like the looks of it better (and it has a tachometer) .   I really don't like the black mufflers or that tiny fender .   Sure the III model has more power ... but they both have more than enough ! 

Get the one you like , and never mind the details !      Its your bike ...

[guzzi4me]

$2000 rebate from MG on the 2016 V7s through the end of the year.

With an additional dealer discount and this rebate I got my Stone for $6600. Couldn't pass it up! Have 1400 miles on her and what a blast to ride!

But as had been said here buy what you want....both models are good!!

Ride safe and often...
Jeff

[Beerman]

I asked my dealer in the UK about this question - I haven't ridden the V7111 yet though. His advice was that if you were buying new, and cash isn't the issue, you should buy the V7111 (as Kev says).

He also said that he wouldn't recommend trading up from the V711 to the V7111 just for the power - in reality (his view) you wouldn't really notice the difference.

I have a slight preference for the look of the V711 over the new model, and a strong preference for it against the V9.

Beerman

Some thoughts:

* III for me, no way I'd even go II anymore. Nevermind the B750 or V7C 2TB models, no need for plastic, or balancing throttle bodies etc.

* Cast wheels, aren't they the same? I heard some chatter about tubes, but I haven't heard anyone who has pulled a tire yet? Todd at Guzzitech had sad something that he was going to do it, but I don't go there enough to know if he did.

* I like the III Stone, that doesn't look cheap to me, that looks right. Besides, isn't there more metal on the III than the IIs?

Yup, III for me.

Though I'm not getting rid of my 13 for it, so probably nothing for me for a little while at least.

[Edgar]

With an additional dealer discount and this rebate I got my Stone for $6600. Couldn't pass it up! Have 1400 miles on her and what a blast to ride!

But as had been said here buy what you want....both models are good!!

Ride safe and often...
Jeff

I got my 16 special for $6400, deals are out there.

Side note, does anyone know if the V7 III is lower than the II becuase the seat itself is lower or are there other things they did to lower it?

[roadscum]

The V7 III seemed more refined to me the II's. Better fit and finish, more power, engine mods likely to improve reliability, better handling, I liked the new instrument cluster, good ergos for me, and a surprisingly comfy seat for full days in the saddle. I bought the V7III special. Here's a summary of the base V7 changes and a description of each model in the V7 line. Enjoy: http://ridermagazine.com/2016/11/08/2017-moto-guzzi-v7-iii-lineup-first-look-review/

Paul

[twowheeladdict]

I drove 600 mile from Tn. to Pa. to get  a V7-II Stone instead of the V7-III , just because I like the looks of it better (and it has a tachometer) .   I really don't like the black mufflers or that tiny fender .   Sure the III model has more power ... but they both have more than enough ! 

Get the one you like , and never mind the details !      Its your bike ...

I'm just down the road from you.  How long ago did you buy It?  Sloans has a used '16 special  that I rode twice.  I wish they had a '17 Special to compare.  Don't lime no teach on the '17 stone.

[MMRanch]

twowheeladdict

Sloans is where I discovered these great bikes !    Yea , I checked sloans inventory out , I have to have mag wheels instead of spokes (Tubeless  ).   Sloan's had that V9 Roamer when I was there (I kinda liked it too) but the larger fuel tank of the V7's  made me drool     

The 2017 model might have new heads , but they also have them ugly black mufflers and that ridicules front fender thingie !    And what happened to the RPM counter ?

So , I found   where I could pick-up  a  2016 model .    I'm very happy with it too ! 

twowheeladdict  you from Murfreesboro ?    You ever get to Lynchburg ?     

[jas67]

BMP72, I think I recall some discussion regarding the wheels here on the board. I think even the cast wheels are tube type.

I sincerely doubt that.     The V7 Stone cast wheels have been tubeless at least since the first V7 Stone in 2013.

[MotoBug]

I have the V7ii Special. I was tempted to wait a couple of months for the III but the price was very good on the II. Plus I prefer the look of the II. From most accounts the III is the better bike technically but those odd side covers and the goofy looking face I see every time i look at the rocker cover put me off.

I'd say either one is a good choice so ride them both. The V9 doesn't appeal to me at all other than it's bigger motor.

[Kev m]

I guess I'm the only one who has a current bike with the V7 I or II aesthetics who thinks the III was an improvement?

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching about my Stone's looks, I like em a lot. I just find the III an improvement.

[MMRanch]

Kev

you like that little fender thingie ? 

[bmp72]

I like the look of the III better than the II, but it might be the colors of the blue/orange special  Also like the heads better. Do not like the plastic covers of the injectors but those can be removed easely.

I had a look at the III yesterday, did not notice a big difference with the II in the seating position (the 20mm lowering). I guess the suspension is lower ? I didn't notice a difference in the seat-pegs-handlebar triangle, but it had been 3 days since sitting on the II. Had a good look at the wheels, the valve stem screws made me and the mechanic have doubts about tubeless, so he checked the documentation and it is supposed to be tubeless...

Will have a test ride coming saturday