V85 TT Merged Threadfest

[NWrider]

FWIW, I just heard from AF1-racing that the OEM V85 heated grips are on backorder and won't be shipped from Italy for 2-3 weeks.  I cancelled my order and will look at alternatives in the meantime.

[Huzo]

Thank you Trialsman.
Forewarned is forearmed.

[Bpreynolds2]

This has probably been covered already in these 70 some odd pages but wg doesn’t have an advanced search function so I’m going to ask here.  What kind of mpg and range numbers are you guys getting with the new bikes?

[John Croucher]

This has probably been covered already in these 70 some odd pages but wg doesn’t have an advanced search function so I’m going to ask here.  What kind of mpg and range numbers are you guys getting with the new bikes?

Brian, head to the Kentucky rally today for a demo ride.  I road the TT yesterday.  Going to give it another ride today. Really fun bike. 

[Speedysheep]

This has probably been covered already in these 70 some odd pages but wg doesn’t have an advanced search function so I’m going to ask here.  What kind of mpg and range numbers are you guys getting with the new bikes?

Been getting 47 mpg almost every tank. Theoretical range of about 280 miles, but I usually fill up around 200.

[NWrider]

So far in 1700 miles I've had a low of 51 and a high of 60 mpg with the average right at 55 mpg -- hand calculated.

[Glawster]

Just done a European trip of 2,300 miles.  Overall just over 60 mpg (Imperial Gallons).  Fantastic economy on slow roads in the Alps where I covered 300 miles on a tank.  Economy takes a real dive over 75mph.  At 85 mph cruising I was getting 42 mpg.

[Bpreynolds2]

Brian, head to the Kentucky rally today for a demo ride.  I road the TT yesterday.  Going to give it another ride today. Really fun bike.

Thanks for the invite, my friend but I’m too embarrassed to show up in the car  and I ain’t driving bikes  again YET.   

[Huzo]

Just done a European trip of 2,300 miles.  Overall just over 60 mpg (Imperial Gallons).  Fantastic economy on slow roads in the Alps where I covered 300 miles on a tank.  Economy takes a real dive over 75mph.  At 85 mph cruising I was getting 42 mpg.

Careful on my second bike there Derek..
I don’t mind you riding it, but please don’t get it dirty..
I’ve got about 3 weeks to go. I picked up my panniers, top box, engine bars and centrestand yesterday.
The Ohlins shock will be here soon, now all all I need is the damn bike..!
’Went out on the Norge again for the first time yesterday since Europe...Lovely.

[Glawster]

Blimey Peter, your still waiting for your bike to arrive?  I hope it meets you expectations when it finally does land.  I finally saw another red one on the road in Cortina, Italy.  A young German guy, touring with his girlfriend.  His first Guzzi and he was very happy with it.

DSC_1669 by Derek Wardell, on Flickr

[Huzo]

Blimey Peter, your still waiting for your bike to arrive?  I hope it meets you expectations when it finally does land.  I finally saw another red one on the road in Cortina, Italy.  A young German guy, touring with his girlfriend.  His first Guzzi and he was very happy with it.

DSC_1669 by Derek Wardell, on Flickr

Oh I will be, Derek.
I could have had a R Mc D one or a Franz Belgium replica red/white one, both would have been ok, but yours is the Dog’s.
I’m happy to wait, I have all the goodies ready in the shed in the form of panniers, top box, engine bars and centrestand.
The Ohlins will be here soon....

[jmee54]

I have the R Mac d, but I must say that red looks terrific.

[Zinfan]

I might have been tempted if the red or blue ones were available in the U.S. but the grey one is a non-starter for me.  Plus I feel the $1000 upcharge for the luggage is worth it for the Sahara and Kalahari models.

[Huzo]

I have the R Mac d, but I must say that red looks terrific.

If I’d got the R Mc D version, I would have immediately had the yellow changed to Italian dark green and had it like Beetle’s photo shopped one...
Check it out..



Nothing wrong with any of them IMO....

[Zoom Zoom]

Just FWIW, the color everyone seems to equate with Mic D's is supposed to pay homage to the 1985 Paris Dakar bike. See the pics in the link below:
http://www.parisdakar.it/en/moto-guzzi-v65-tt-1985/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0

I suppose everyone will refer to it however they want, but I figure it is worth knowing its roots since it was not conceived while eating a Big Mac. Cheers.

John Henry

[Huzo]

Just FWIW, the color everyone seems to equate with Mic D's is supposed to pay homage to the 1985 Paris Dakar bike. See the pics in the link below:
http://www.parisdakar.it/en/moto-guzzi-v65-tt-1985/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0

I suppose everyone will refer to it however they want, but I figure it is worth knowing its roots since it was not conceived while eating a Big Mac. Cheers.

John Henry

Yeah I think most of us were across that John.

[jmee54]

I too was aware of that, but I fear it will always be the MacDonalds bike........ and me a vegetarian! 

[pauldaytona]

TECHNICAL COMMUNICATION G_190781_TC_EN                                                                            30/08/2019
Model: Moto Guzzi V85TT and V9

Dear Dealer / Service Centre,
In response to a number of cases of oil escaping from the transmission reported by the service network, Moto Guzzi has decided to implement and publish a number of changes to the Service Station Manual and Use and Maintenance Manual of the aforementioned vehicles.

Please note the following matters in particular:
1. The procedure to check the transmission oil level during predelivery preparation and inspection of the vehicle has been eliminated and MUST NOT be performed.
2. The transmission oil must now ONLY be changed at 30,000 km intervals, together with the other activities planned for the respective service (see operations described in the Service Station Manual and the chapter 'Maintenance' of the Use and Maintenance Manual);
3. The only method now permitted for checking (indirectly) and topping up the oil level is to drain all the oil from the drain plug and then refill via the filler plug with the oil drained, adding, if required, the quantity of oil necessary to reach a total of 160 cc , which must not be exceeded (see point 4). NO other methods for checking the oil level are permitted.
NO topping up is permitted without following the aforementioned procedure, as simply topping up without draining the oil cannot ensure that the quantity of oil effectively in the transmission is correct, and may lead to the following problems:

 An excessive quantity of lubricant oil in the transmission may cause oil to overflow from the breather valve and foul other parts of the vehicle, such as the rear tyre.
4. The revised quantity of oil for filling the transmission indicated in the Service Station Manual and Use and Maintenance Manual is now 160 cc.
The revised quantity is lower than the nominal fill value indicated previously of 180 cc., as it is applicable for filling the transmission after draining in the event of an oil change (where some lubricant oil will still remain in the transmission case after draining).
5. Where it is necessary to replace the complete transmission casing with a new component received from the spare parts department, the new transmission will be received already run-in in the factory and will therefore also contain a small quantity of residual oil. Proceed as follows:
   a) Install the new transmission on the vehicle
   b) Remove the filler and drain plugs and allow the residual oil in the transmission to drain for at least 5 minutes.
   c) Clean the surrounding area and then fit and tighten the drain plug to the specified torque, using a new gasket; fill the transmission with precisely 160 cc of oil via the filler plug orifice.
   d) Fit and tighten the filler plug to the specified torque, using a new gasket.
   e) Fit the new breather valve. If the transmission casing is received with the breather valve already installed, remove the valve, blow with compressed air to remove any residual oil, and then refit the breather valve correctly.

[NWrider]

Timely post, I had seen some posts saying that MG had changed the amount to 160cc and  I just recently changed mine.  Drained over night, checked fill hole for level, rode for 15 miles and checked again and added a few more cc.  I've ridden about 100 miles since with no evidence of an overfill issue.   I've added the latest info to my V85 files -- THANKS.

[Huzo]

Timely post, I had seen some posts saying that MG had changed the amount to 160cc and  I just recently changed mine.  Drained over night, checked fill hole for level, rode for 15 miles and checked again and added a few more cc.  I've ridden about 100 miles since with no evidence of an overfill issue.   I've added the latest info to my V85 files -- THANKS.

Damn right..

[Huzo]

Just FWIW, the color everyone seems to equate with Mic D's is supposed to pay homage to the 1985 Paris Dakar bike. See the pics in the link below:
http://www.parisdakar.it/en/moto-guzzi-v65-tt-1985/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0

I suppose everyone will refer to it however they want, but I figure it is worth knowing its roots since it was not conceived while eating a Big Mac. Cheers.

John Henry

Jeez, lucky it wasn’t conceived while he was eating a hot dog.
We could “dine out” with quippy comments on that one..!

[Zinfan]

30,000 km's seems a long time to leave the original oil in place.  Good thing we have these sources of info since I'll be doing my own changes (actually already changed out the pumpkin oil and added 180 ml per the manual so I'll be draining and re-filling with 160 ml shortly, no sign of leaking on my bike) and never would have seen the change without reading the forums.

[Zoom Zoom]

Jeez, lucky it wasn’t conceived while he was eating a hot dog.
We could “dine out” with quippy comments on that one..!

Good one!

Speaking of which, Luigi was eating an Oscar Meyer hod dog one day in 1997. He looked at his buddy and exclaimed, "Thisa be a nicea color for next years EV, what you thinka Guido?" We'll call it hot dog and mustard...

John Henry

[pauldaytona]

Timely post, I had seen some posts saying that MG had changed the amount to 160cc and  I just recently changed mine.  Drained over night, checked fill hole for level, rode for 15 miles and checked again and added a few more cc.  I've ridden about 100 miles since with no evidence of an overfill issue.   I've added the latest info to my V85 files -- THANKS.

 Well thats wrong. 
-You drain it all
- put 160cc in it and ready, no top up. Come back after 30.000km. Lot of cars never change gear oil these days.  One reason I could think of for changing more early is when you think there is water in the oil.

[jacksonracingcomau]

Well thats wrong. 
-You drain it all
- put 160cc in it and ready, no top up. Come back after 30.000km. Lot of cars never change gear oil these days.  One reason I could think of for changing more early is when you think there is water in the oil.

I think the tech communication uses pretty clear English, the only method permitted , use of NO etc
Well done Guzzi, no ambiguity at all, not a design problem
If this is the only issue, it’s a pretty mute one
Not so happy about point #5
Hope they haven’t been sending out drive boxes to replace overfilled ones, bit wasteful if they have.
Re water ingress, no doubt someone will vent them to remote catch tank, that might solve the overfill worry too

[Kiwi Dave]

The heated grips do not have to be Guzzi. Several months ago I used some ones I had on the shelf and just changed the connector ends.

Are you able to advise what manufacturer your installed heated grips are?  More importantly, what is the cold resistance of each grip?

I've just fitted some el cheapo resistive wraparounds imported from China.  They measure 13 ohms and 15 ohms (tight manufacturing tolerances!).  I put the 13 ohm one on the left and the 15 version one on the throttle, as the throttle is less thermally connected to the handlebar in an attempt to make them more even.  Together they're drawing 1.4 amps when warm.

Connected directly across the battery, they are just warm, I can't see me running them any other mode than full (or off).  They'll suffice until I can find something better.

If anyone can measure the cold resistance of the factory grips, I would greatly appreciate it.  It will give me an idea how far I can push it without destroying the dashboard or whatever drives the heated grips using the terminals provided on the bike.  Thanks.

[Tusayan]

I think the tech communication uses pretty clear English, the only method permitted , use of NO etc
Well done Guzzi, no ambiguity at all

I hope nobody fills their transmission with 160 cc of lubricant.

[jacksonracingcomau]

I hope nobody fills their transmission with 160 cc of lubricant.

That one more to do with colonial hacking of English language. Gearbox translates really well in all euro languages, ie box of speeds in frog,
Transmission is a only confusing if merkan is native language, specially translated instructions should be available.

Bit like bathroom, in English this is the room with a bath in it.
Recently rediscovered why the toilet should not be in the bathroom (I was in the bath)
No idea how anyone ever thought that was a good idea.

[Tusayan]

The conventional English language terms worldwide are gearbox and rear drive unit.  Better if conventional terms were used by Piaggio. Transmission does not mean rear drive unit anywhere in the world. I was not BTW taught English in the United States.

I’m well versed in Italian-glish, to the extent that ‘Carter’ used to mean engine block goes almost unnoticed.  Since its not an Italian based word, Italians tend to believe we know what they’re talking about.  Wrongly, for most people.  Same with distribution in English for cam drive, it’s a ‘false friend’ derived from distribuzione in Italian.

[jacksonracingcomau]

The conventional English language terms worldwide are gearbox and rear drive unit.  Better if conventional terms were used by Piaggio. Transmission does not mean rear drive unit anywhere in the world. I was not BTW taught English in the United States.

I’m well versed in Italian-glish, to the extent that ‘Carter’ used to mean engine block goes almost unnoticed.  Since its not an Italian based word, Italians tend to believe we know what they’re talking about.  Wrongly, for most people.  Same with distribution in English for cam drive, it’s a ‘false friend’ derived from distribuzione in Italian.

Never heard unit for it, I’ve been around too
Drive box or db
Rear drive box

Best is ridiculous “diff”
But it certainly transmits . I can get that