Author Topic: New Tires on the Norge (Read 5670 times)

Guzzidad · « **on:** January 27, 2018, 07:22:36 PM »

I finally wore out a set of Michelin PR4's on the Norge after 13,000 miles. I've always liked Michelins, but never liked them much on this bike. I like them fine on my EV. This time I spooned on a set of Pirelli Angel GT's. Took it out for a 150 mile ride today. What a difference. Turned the Norge from a sport TOURING bike to a SPORT touring bike. The difference in handling in curves and corners is amazing.

twowings · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2018, 07:26:49 PM »

I hear you....I spent the big bux for PR4s and was NEVER comfortable with the way the bike handled or reacted to pavement grooving...went to Conti Road Attacks and what a difference! Can't imagine what the deal is but my Norge did not like the Michelins....

skippy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:07:27 PM »

Those Pirelli Angel GT's are very impressive tires. I have been a Metzler find of guy for over twenty years but switched to the Pirelli Angel GT's on my B11 Breva a couple of years ago. They are truly a Sport Touring tire. I carry a lot more corner speed confidently now than I ever did. They also seem to wear well.

Skippy

kingoffleece · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:13:39 PM »

I use them too but I never got more than 5000 out of them

Gliderjohn · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:28:41 PM »

:1:
GliderJohn

ITSec · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2018, 09:01:00 PM »

I used the Angel GTs (extended distance version) on the Norge for quite a while, but went the other direction, to the PR4 GTs (also an extended wear compound). I liked the handling better with the PR4s. They are more round than the oval profile of the Pirellis, and are more sensitive to inflation being correct for your weight, your roads and your riding style - but they end up being more responsive in my experience.

Let's face it, either of these tires is several generations ahead of what we used to ride!

jdgretz · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2018, 01:52:11 AM »

I originally went to Roadsmarts when I dumped the OEM Metzler. I was getting about 8K miles out of a set of those. Moved on to the Roadsmart IIs as I like the way the original Roadsmarts worked. Happy with those as well, and got about the same mileage. The last set got substantially better mileage (about 12K) but I didn't like the feel of the tire - it seemed like the compound or build process had changed.

Moved to Angel GTs as I had gotten a set at a discount when they were introduced (free front with the purchase of a rear). Back to a really nice feel. Got 8K out of the first rear before a nail took it out of service with about 50% tread remaining. The front got changed out at 11K with about 2K remaining. The next set was similar. On my third set of Angels now. A bit over 5K on the set and they still look great.

jdg

Huzo · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2018, 05:33:04 AM »

What's the main gripe with PR4's ?
What am I not seeing ?
Here are mine @ 15,000 k
They seem ok to me but I must be overlooking something.

craigclu · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2018, 01:01:56 PM »

I was seeing cords at 5300 miles on my Angels that came new on my 2014 Norge. Went to PR4 GT's and I can't say it felt radically different, at least not that way new tires seem to feel great many times. My Angel wear was right in the center, even though most of my riding is through the hilly, curvy roads of NW Wisconsin. I imagine the bulk of the miles end up being in an upright position, even with that type of riding, though. I've only got about 3,000 on the Michelins but they don't show any specific wear patterns yet.

73eldorado · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2018, 01:13:26 PM »

I change a lot of tires every year and the common refrain from customers is” wow, it’s like riding a new bike again”. As your tires wear the profile changes, it happens so slowly most people don’t notice until the tires are changed. I never do burn outs on the Hayabusa until the handling starts to deteriorate, usually half wore out. Sad to say that’s usually about 2500 miles.

Huzo · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2018, 02:06:48 PM »

Quote from: Guzzidad on January 27, 2018, 07:22:36 PM

I finally wore out a set of Michelin PR4's on the Norge after 13,000 miles. I've always liked Michelins, but never liked them much on this bike. I like them fine on my EV. This time I spooned on a set of Pirelli Angel GT's. Took it out for a 150 mile ride today. What a difference. Turned the Norge from a sport TOURING bike to a SPORT touring bike. The difference in handling in curves and corners is amazing.

Let's see how shagged your Angels are @ 13,000 and we'll know the whole story.
Anyway, at 13,000 they must have looked like a rag doll after being through the wash.

BAT 11 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2018, 02:25:25 PM »

Have had Angel gt on the Norge from new,first set 14k, now have 13k on current Angels and prob get another 2-3k before replacement. They have worn reasonably evenly. Found it essential to check tyre pressures every 2 weeks.

73eldorado · « **Reply #12 on:** January 28, 2018, 02:37:30 PM »

:1: :1:

Quote from: BAT 11 on January 28, 2018, 02:25:25 PM

Have had Angel gt on the Norge from new,first set 14k, now have 13k on current Angels and prob get another 2-3k before replacement. They have worn reasonably evenly. Found it essential to check tyre pressures every 2 weeks.

dl.allen · « **Reply #13 on:** January 28, 2018, 04:38:26 PM »

What pressure does everyone run PRP4 at on the Norge?
I run 38 front 40 back

blackbuell · « **Reply #14 on:** January 28, 2018, 05:24:59 PM »

How in the hell are you all getting so many miles on your Norge tires? I've tried Pirellis, Michelin PR's, and cheaper Bridgestones. I have never gotten more than 6,000 miles out of any rear tire; 8-9,000 out of the fronts, maybe. The bridgestones actually seem to last the longest, and I haven't noticed a big difference in how the bike handles with the different tires.

Jon

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #15 on:** January 28, 2018, 05:58:50 PM »

Quote from: blackbuell on January 28, 2018, 05:24:59 PM

How in the hell are you all getting so many miles on your Norge tires? I've tried Pirellis, Michelin PR's, and cheaper Bridgestones. I have never gotten more than 6,000 miles out of any rear tire; 8-9,000 out of the fronts, maybe. The bridgestones actually seem to last the longest, and I haven't noticed a big difference in how the bike handles with the different tires.

Jon

It all depends on where you are, and what kinds of road surfaces are involved. I ran Angels out in SoCal on the Mighty Scura and *loved* them. Told the Kid. He's in Wisconsin with chip and seal and he said they sucked. (!) (?)
I brought the Scura back to Indiana, and the Anglels wore out the sidewalls in less a thousand miles. (!!) I would have thought they would have 3K remaining when I brought it home.
In Indiana, I've never gone over 6K on a rear and 9K on a front, no matter what tire I've been running.
I'm presently a serious fan of Conti Attacks. So is the Kid.

PJPR01 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2018, 06:04:26 PM »

Quote from: dl.allen on January 28, 2018, 04:38:26 PM

What pressure does everyone run PRP4 at on the Norge?
I run 38 front 40 back

I'm with you on this...same setup on PSI for my Norge.

Have had PR3's and 2 sets of PR4's, about to change them out again for another set of PR4'S, I ABSOLUTELY love these tires for the confidence in wet weather riding...they don't squiggle or move at all even in a gully washer. They are plenty sticky for side to side canyon carving, riding two up or single with gear. I've been getting 9-10K out of my sets..rear does wear a bit faster, so I just replace both when the rear is shot..even though the front probably does have another 1-2K on them.

Guzzidad · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2018, 06:15:09 PM »

When I bought my bike the PO had installed Shinko's. They were almost worn out when i bought the PR4's and they were a big improvement. New tires always are. But, I never felt much feed back from the PR4's. They were a fine touring tire and I had a lot of confidence in them on longer trips. My first ride on the new Pirelli's I found that feed back I was looking for. I was carrying a lot more speed in the curves with confidence. I'm not sure, but I think the sidewall on the Michelin is stiffer than the Pirelli.
To answer Blackbuell's question, I think tire life depends a lot on where you do your most riding. Here in Florida the roads are pretty smooth. I've ridden in other states where the road surface is more course. I once had to buy a new tire in the NC/Tenn area even though I thought my tire would easily handle the miles home. Those roads just ate it up. That was a costly mistake.

Huzo · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2018, 06:37:55 PM »

Quote from: dl.allen on January 28, 2018, 04:38:26 PM

What pressure does everyone run PRP4 at on the Norge?
I run 38 front 40 back

40/40 for me.

73eldorado · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2018, 06:52:39 PM »

The killer of tires are speed, weight, temperature and tire pressure. If you ride alone and are a gas mileage kind of rider then your tires are going to last versus Johnny Roadracer or two up Bob.

Guzzidad · « **Reply #20 on:** January 28, 2018, 06:56:53 PM »

I like 36/36

Huzo · « **Reply #21 on:** January 28, 2018, 06:58:16 PM »

Quote from: blackbuell on January 28, 2018, 05:24:59 PM

How in the hell are you all getting so many miles on your Norge tires? I've tried Pirellis, Michelin PR's, and cheaper Bridgestones. I have never gotten more than 6,000 miles out of any rear tire; 8-9,000 out of the fronts, maybe. The bridgestones actually seem to last the longest, and I haven't noticed a big difference in how the bike handles with the different tires.

Jon

I might have an advantage with the relatively sedate performance of my 2 VPC motor.
Other than that, it's 40 psi both ends and happy days !

Guzzidad · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2018, 06:58:50 PM »

Unless I'm on a trip packing extra weight. Then I go 38/36

Darren Williams · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2018, 07:09:04 PM »

I got my 1200 Sport new with metzlers, then went to PR3, then to Angle ST. I like the Pirelli Angle profile a lot better than the Michelin PR profile for sport riding on that long wheel base heavy bike. The PR profile seems OK on lighter short wheel base (55") sportier bikes, like the Street Triple and the FJ09. They don't seem as twitchy.

I'm running Angles on my FJR now also, it came with Bridgestones. The bike felt like it lost 100 lbs and steering effort went way down when I went to the Angles and the slow speed wobble that is somewhat common on that bike went away as well.

I do know strong acceleration was causing me short tire life on my 1200 Sport until I figured out I was chewing the tire up on the starts. Quit doing that and they started lasting 6000 to 8000 miles. Never got much better, but do ride a lot of chip seal roads a little agressively.

Huzo · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2018, 07:15:46 PM »

Quote from: BAT 11 on January 28, 2018, 02:25:25 PM

Have had Angel gt on the Norge from new,first set 14k, now have 13k on current Angels and prob get another 2-3k before replacement. They have worn reasonably evenly. Found it essential to check tyre pressures every 2 weeks.

They'll feel better still with Darwin air in them !

craigclu · « **Reply #25 on:** January 28, 2018, 07:46:01 PM »

Quote from: dl.allen on January 28, 2018, 04:38:26 PM

What pressure does everyone run PRP4 at on the Norge?
I run 38 front 40 back

Same here.

BAT 11 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 28, 2018, 08:01:03 PM »

Yeah Peter, will have new front and rear for that trip. I run 37fr/39 rear,seems ok but then Iam only 62 kg wringing wet. Ha

ITSec · « **Reply #27 on:** January 28, 2018, 10:15:29 PM »

Quote from: dl.allen on January 28, 2018, 04:38:26 PM

What pressure does everyone run PRP4 at on the Norge?
I run 38 front 40 back

Using the PR4 GT (extended wear) version, I run 42r 37f. I run about half of the time with gear of some kind, less than 10% with a pillion, but several extended runs in each set doing Ironbutt-style rides. I typically get 12-13,000 from a pair, maybe a bit more. I weigh 205 without gear, and my riding style is quick but not abrupt.

kingoffleece · « **Reply #28 on:** January 29, 2018, 05:35:25 AM »

39/41 F to R.
One up with luggage.

skippy · « **Reply #29 on:** February 01, 2018, 09:34:26 PM »

Quote from: blackbuell on January 28, 2018, 05:24:59 PM

How in the hell are you all getting so many miles on your Norge tires? I've tried Pirellis, Michelin PR's, and cheaper Bridgestones. I have never gotten more than 6,000 miles out of any rear tire; 8-9,000 out of the fronts, maybe. The bridgestones actually seem to last the longest, and I haven't noticed a big difference in how the bike handles with the different tires.

Jon

I think the big difference in mileage is that most other folks are thinking in kilometers.

Skippy

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Author Topic: New Tires on the Norge (Read 5670 times)

twowings