Finally, the Harley Davidson death rattle.....

[Kev m]

Who cares if they really are good bikes?  They are by far the most popular, for any number of reasons, many of which have little if anything to do with how "good" they really are.   And because they are as common as flies on poop, I love to make fun of them, and many of the dip shots who ride them.

You know, for the record, that would make someone look petty and small, in a way not all that dis-similar to the "dip shots" who ride them. Just saying... 

[LowRyter]

Who cares if they really are good bikes?  They are by far the most popular, for any number of reasons, many of which have little if anything to do with how "good" they really are.   And because they are as common as flies on poop, I love to make fun of them, and many of the dip shots who ride them.

totally agree.   

[bad Chad]

You know, for the record, that would make someone look petty and small, in a way not all that dis-similar to the "dip shots" who ride them. Just saying... 

No, I don't think so.  I made a distinction as to the riders with the distinction word, "Many" as opposed to all.   However, you my good friend would certainly have to fall into the "Many" category!

[Kev m]

No, I don't think so.  I made a distinction as to the riders with the distinction word, "Many" as opposed to all.   However, you my good friend would certainly have to fall into the "Many" category!

Let's see you love to poke fun at machines and people at least partially because they are popular/common, and regardless if they are good machines or not (at least that's how you stated it).

Yeah, that doesn't speak well...

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

I have to admit, these "little" Harleys sound pretty good. 
https://www.cycleworld.com/my-first-time-racing-harley-davidson-and-i-won?CMPID=ene020818

[Sheepdog]

I tried out one of the new Road Glides. The Milwaukee-8 engine is nice and the new frames are just as good as Kev said. Still too heavy for me, though. I liked the �04-�06 Sportsters pretty well...the EVO Dyna Low Rider Sport was pretty cool, too (1992?).

[Arizona Wayne]

^ http://www.history.com/news/giant-ancient-camel-roamed-the-arctic

This isn't proof, it's an extrapolation, a theory. 

[Arizona Wayne]

They were a separate species from the types of Asian camels and faded out as the last ice age began warming, in part of a minor global extinction event.  Back when we covered it in school the jury was out as to what made them extinct -- the introduction of people, or climate change.  North American camels were shy, but if you look close you can see one hiding behind the one on the cigarette box.

I'm about 10 years older than you and they didn't teach this kind of stuff then.  I took some cultural anthropology classes in college and never heard anything like this.  Camels have been imported here for the Army during both WWI & WWII, I know that.

[oldbike54]

 Then how do you explain all of the camel (camelop) bones found in the Americas that have been carbon dated ? Facts Wayne , facts , damn pesky devils .

 Dusty

[Arizona Wayne]

Wayne , have you ever read a book ?

 Dusty

Naw, don't know how I earned a AA in Social Science and a BA in  Business/Marketing.  Just got lucky I guess. 

[Arizona Wayne]

Then how do you explain all of the camel (camelop) bones found in the Americas that have been carbon dated ? Facts Wayne , facts , damn pesky devils .

 Dusty

Show me the proof, Dusty.

[Yukonica]

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2516

http://www.nature.ca/en/about-us/museum-news/news/press-releases/remains-extinct-giant-camel-discovered-high-arctic-canadian


The citation was peer reviewed.
Rybczynski, N. et al. Mid-Pliocene warm-period deposits in the high arctic yield insight into camel evolution. Nat. Commun. 4:1550 doi: 10.1038/ncomms2516 (2013).

[tazio]

"Hogged" the roads today for some 165 miles.
 No death rattle, just some happy tunes through the stock pipes I put back on.



Only ran out of road twice



When we ride only for ourselves, there are a lot of great choices.
... I'd like to have a Moto Morini  Camel one day. Just sayin' 

[Turin]

Thanks Yukonica, that was fascinating. here are some pics for those who don't wan't to read.

[Turin]

Going a tiny bit off topic here, but I don't see another thread coming up any time soon where it would be appropriate to share.

My wifes friend has an Alpaca ( related to the extinct NA camel).

I learned it is frowned upon to ask "Hey, so what the F**k is up with your goat ?"

[Orange Guzzi]

MPN NEWS, JANUARY, 2018  Harley's reaction to the market slowdown was to announce they are taking on the mission of training 2 million new riders and introducing 50 new bikes over the next five years and 100 bikes by 2027. 

I would say they are going for a whole new gasoline engine configuration and an Electric platform.  Smaller size and larger range of configurations.  Sport, sport touring, scooters and street & trail.  The articles also say's they want to expand their international sales by 50%.  Every 11 days more motorcycles are sold outside the U.S. than sold in the U.S. in a year of all brands.  Time will tell.  They have the money, technology and ability to move beyond their dying niche.  Bring back the Buell single cylinder Blast.  I love to beat around on mine.  Gets 50 mpg, quick, light and a great city bike. 

[rodekyll]

I'm about 10 years older than you and they didn't teach this kind of stuff then.  I took some cultural anthropology classes in college and never heard anything like this.  Camels have been imported here for the Army during both WWI & WWII, I know that.

I keep telling you, Randy -- I can't help what you don't know.  There's just too much of it.   

[Arizona Wayne]

Apparently you guys are easily swayed.  I see no evidence here to prove camels lived in these areas hundreds of years ago.  All I see is 'estimates' and 'perhaps' claims, just like I said.  This is not good enough for PROOF. 

[oldbike54]

Apparently you guys are easily swayed.  I see no evidence here to prove camels lived in these areas hundreds of years ago.  All I see is 'estimates' and 'perhaps' claims, just like I said.  This is not good enough for PROOF. 

 So camel bones that carbon date to  10,000 years and older found in North America don't convince you that camels lived here ? Not hundreds Randy , thousands . There are even camel bones that bear tool marks , indicating that they were still around even after man migrated to North America some 13,000 years ago .

 Dusty

[Arizona Wayne]

So camel bones that carbon date to  10,000 years and older found in North America don't convince you that camels lived here ? Not hundreds Randy , thousands . There are even camel bones that bear tool marks , indicating that they were still around even after man migrated to North America some 13,000 years ago .

 Dusty

So camel bones that carbon date to  10,000 years and older found in North America don't convince you that camels lived here ? Not hundreds Randy , thousands . There are even camel bones that bear tool marks , indicating that they were still around even after man migrated to North America some 13,000 years ago .

 Dusty

Talk is cheap, Dusty, show me your source of what you claim.

[oldbike54]

Talk is cheap, Dusty, show me your source of what you claim.

 Randy , others have posted the links , I won't repeat them . Here is what you can do however , visit the museum of natural history right there in Arizona and look at the bones yourself .

 Dusty

[rodekyll]

Randy, you're being a troll.  If you need more proof, search on "north American camel".  You'll learn something.

[Arizona Wayne]

Randy , others have posted the links , I won't repeat them . Here is what you can do however , visit the museum of natural history right there in Arizona and look at the bones yourself .

 Dusty

I read the links and posted accordingly.  Do you guys not know how to think for yourselves? 

[oldbike54]

I read the links and posted accordingly.  Do you guys not know how to think for yourselves? 

 So you are smarter and have more expertise on this subject than the anthropologists and scientists who have spent their lives studying these things ?

 Dusty

[Arizona Wayne]

So you are smarter and have more expertise on this subject than the anthropologists and scientists who have spent their lives studying these things ?

 Dusty

No, but what I read none of them claimed to have all the answers to explain exactly what they THINK occurred hundreds of years before any of us were here.  So I see their opinions at this point as theoretical, not proof.  But if you want to accept it as proof, go ahead.  Just don't assume me and everybody else agrees with you.  This won't be the 1st time archeologists/anthropoligists are wrong about how things occurred in the past. 

[oldbike54]

No, but what I read none of them claimed to have all the answers to explain exactly what they THINK occurred hundreds of years before any of us were here.  So I see their opinions at this point as theoretical, not proof.  But if you want to accept it as proof, go ahead.  Just don't assume me and everybody else agrees with you.  This won't be the 1st time archeologists/anthropoligists are wrong about how things occurred in the past. 

 Obviously you didn't read any of the links , because you keep saying hundreds of years . The experts say the camelops disappeared around 10,000 years ago from North America , not 100's of years . I'm guessing you don't believe the fossil evidence of dinosaurs either . I think we should close this discussion out , as it isn't getting us anywhere .

 Dusty

[Yukonica]

Going a tiny bit off topic here, but I don't see another thread coming up any time soon where it would be appropriate to share.

My wifes friend has an Alpaca ( related to the extinct NA camel).

I learned it is frowned upon to ask "Hey, so what the F**k is up with your goat ?"

 

[Shorty]

[rodekyll]

You're wrong.  You just wanted to find a way to make me look like I didn't know what I was talking about.  I said hundreds because saying thousands of years is preposterous.   For you or anyone else now to talk about what happened here that long ago is ridiculous.  Knowing that long ago is theoretical, period at this point in time.

Now I'm convinced both you and Rodekyll are like Siamese twins whose only purpose in life here is to make me look like an imbicile not to be considered worthy of listened to since Rk and I had a falling out last May at my place.  Like I said prior, I have no respect for either of you now.  If all this time you've wanted me to say this, you've got it.

Randy, one thing I am certain of in life is that you don't need any help looking like an imbecile. 

[earemike]

I read the first page, get to the end & off topic much?

Think I’d go audace... or however you spell it

Keep stirring,