Registration Blues - Quota

[Irn]

I too saw the bike on CL and it is nearby.  Have you contacted the seller?  Just because the tags are out of date does not mean he has not registered it Non-Operative, which would eliminate all the penalties.  You would still have to pay the back fees, but no penalty.  Would cut registration cost down considerably. Love all the talk about tax evasion schemes, like Leona Helmsley once said, taxes that's for those little people.  Also, it is listed in Tiburon one of the most wealthy towns in wealthy Marin County.  It was listed recently at 2500, my guess 2k would get that bike if you are serious.  Happy to take a look at it for you, I talked myself out if it, my guess you did the same.

[smdl]

Yep; here, motor vehicle stuff (registering cars, titling them, etc) is totally a state function ... what happens in Kentucky stays in Kentucky.   

Now, if I owe the state of Virginia money for an uncollected fine or something, and I file my Virginia tax return, they'll take what I owe out of any refund I might have coming.   But if I owe the money in Michigan, Virginia doesn't care ....

Lannis

Same here in Canada.  It's a provincial program to register vehicles, and BC won't collect on behalf of Alberta for instance.  In my last post, I was referring more to people who live in California, and owe penalties on one vehicle while still being able to register others.  In BC, if you owe anything on any vehicle (fines, etc.), they will require you to pay that before you can register/insure any vehicle, renew your license, etc.  I'm sure it wouldn't be initially popular, but if California simply linked charges to the owner, they could clear everything up in short order.  As soon as you went to do anything with the state, it would bring things current, advise of vehicles sold, pay any penalties before they accrue too much, etc.  Seems like it would be better in the long term, and would avoid these excessive accumulated charges.  Even better if they accompanied this change with an amnesty period so people wouldn't be burdened unexpectedly.  Just my perspective, of course.   

Cheers,
Shaun

[Lannis]

I'm sure it wouldn't be initially popular, but if California simply linked charges to the owner, they could clear everything up in short order.  As soon as you went to do anything with the state, it would bring things current, advise of vehicles sold, pay any penalties before they accrue too much, etc.  Seems like it would be better in the long term, and would avoid these excessive accumulated charges.  .....

Cheers,
Shaun

Everyone is moving toward that now; looks like the limitation is the linkage of the various databases.   For example, in Virginia the "insurance" database is linked with the "registration" database, so that you have to bring your insurance up to date before you can get a vehicle on the road.    Insurance and unfulfilled liens are tied to titling and registration; unpaid alimony, child support, fines, and back taxes get sorted out when you file your State tax return.

Seems (and maybe is) a bit "big brotherish" but I don't see how we can really kick about it.   If you owe it, you owe it ....

Lannis

[Tusayan]

Seems (and maybe is) a bit "big brotherish" but I don't see how we can really kick about it.   If you owe it, you owe it ....

Lannis

Unfortunately for those collecting taxes in California or any other US state, if you don't want to pay their taxes or work within their system, you can move property and/or your economic activity to another state and there is nothing they can do about it...  because the United States was structured that way by design, including freedom to move anywhere without notice and no registered personal addresses, making the states compete for your business and ultimately limiting their power over you.  Some states may choose to link all your state taxes into one database, some may realize that you often catch more bees with honey.

In spite of having paid something like $60K in combined US taxes last year, that makes me feel better.  I do wish that my state would charge me individually for using the roads instead of charging me 12 times, once for each vehicle that isn't used simultaneously, for the same thing.  Maybe when some state decides to enact a system like that, it'll put me over the edge in attracting my business!

[Lannis]

Unfortunately for those collecting taxes in California or any other US state, if you don't want to pay their taxes or work within their system, you can move property and/or your economic activity to another state and there is nothing they can do about it...  because the United States was structured that way by design, including freedom to move anywhere without notice and no registered personal addresses, making the states compete for your business and ultimately limiting their power over you.  Some states may choose to link all your state taxes into one database, some may realize that you often catch more bees with honey.

In spite of having paid something like $60K in combined US taxes last year, that makes me feel better.  I do wish that my state would charge me individually for using the roads instead of charging me 12 times, once for each vehicle that isn't used simultaneously, for the same thing.  Maybe when some state decides to enact a system like that, it'll put me over the edge in attracting my business!

I agree, and the point of my post was that WITHIN a state, they do a pretty thorough job of linking state-related stuff together, although they're not there yet.

BETWEEN states, the structure doesn't support that.   No motivation for Idaho to worry about Florida's financial rules and problems ....

lannis

[trippah]

Perhaps this is the first step - both Mass and NY, I noted when doing state income tax, now charge a sales tax based on income (for things bought over the internet).  They have assumed or decided I buy untaxed stuff and therefor I should pay them.  It is truly a small amount but it is in principle an unholy act of depravity - or at least an act of unsupported taxation.  Hmmm, what if they find my motorcycle helmet and MGB steering wheel, will they assume I have the complete vehicles and tax me??

Obviously ,if this is deemed political please remove.  Just ranting a bit.

[Tom]

Hey, it's discussion.  No problem.    Here's a thought and probably not original.  I see California doing it.  They could place a state tax lien on the title.  For example, you take the bike over the state line and register/title in Arizona.  Title is turned in for change over to AZ.  AZ issues a registration.  Your title is in process for verification from CA.  Your title is held up because of a tax lien filed by the state DOT.  Now you have a bike registered but no title. You can only clear it by paying CA DOT for the clearance.

Don't think it can't happened.  The states have a reciprocal program with exchanging convicted felons.  They also have reciprocal unemployment insurance claims procedures.  All the states agree to issuing titles on vehicles.  Driver's licenses are held up for clearances till you pay the the state that you're from.

While they may not collect it.  They can cause you to have a "rash". 

[Ncdan]

God bless NC. There ain’t but one reason I can see to ride to California and that’s to ride Highway #1. Now I have to admit I would love to do that someday:)

[normzone]

Cautionary warning to those that would visit - the place can be addictive. I've lived in other places but have chosen to deal with the "sunshine taxes" until such time as I can no longer afford it.

[Tusayan]

Hey, it's discussion.  No problem.    Here's a thought and probably not original.  I see California doing it.  They could place a state tax lien on the title.  For example, you take the bike over the state line and register/title in Arizona.  Title is turned in for change over to AZ.  AZ issues a registration.  Your title is in process for verification from CA.  Your title is held up because of a tax lien filed by the state DOT.  Now you have a bike registered but no title. You can only clear it by paying CA DOT for the clearance.  Don't think it can't happened.   

Happily what you've described is the product of imagination, not USA reality.  When you surrender an out of state vehicle title the new state doesn't "verify" it.  Notifying the prior state of the export sale is done by the seller, who suffers no consequence if he does nothing.  US states in this regard are no different than independent countries, and its equally true that when you import a vehicle to a US state from Mexico or an EU country, the state doesn't notify the foreign country.

The other comment above made me smile.  It describes a happy, stable situation  in which your entire driving license and vehicle registration portfolio would be frozen if you decide not to re-register one old motorcycle (or moped) while you work on it at home for a year, decide to turn it into a off road bike and never re-register it, or throw it in the dumpster.  I think the better solution is to escape that kind of time wasting nonsense... in any way you can.  Its not a good idea to have your life held hostage as a result of one past due vehicle registration for a vehicle that may not even exist any more.

As a side note, older vehicles in some US states do not have a title.  When you buy one and move it to a state where a state title is required, its done based on an informal bill of sale from the previous owner.

[Huzo]

Get him to knock a few bucks off the price (split the difference ). In good shape it's a $3,000 bike tops.

I've had two ( still have one of them). Still one of my favorite bikes ever.

I like them too.
I think Roper said they can be a bastard to tune but may be wrong there.

[Tom]

As a side note, older vehicles in some US states do not have a title.  When you buy one and move it to a state where a state title is required, its done based on an informal bill of sale from the previous owner.

Yes, I know that.  I worked in the Motor Vehicle Depart as a Vehicle Agent and then as an Inspector.  All the state conformed to having titles issued for vehicles after 1972.  Vehicles prior to that if the state that they came from only had registrations would need for bills of sale from prior owners.  2 at least in Arizona which followed California with only one bill of sale from the p.o., the current owner would have to post proof of a surety bond.  YMMV per other states. 

Some states have looser rules for getting a title on older vehicles that are acquired outside the normal "buy & sell" procedures.  Again YMMV per state.  Siabed was able to get a title on a dead V7 Sport from Idaho in WA state.  YMMV again per the circumstances.  He wouldn't in CA or Hawaii. 

As for the other stuff in my post pertaining to monies owed to a state,  not out of realm of possibility for California.  I forgot payments for child support and DUI's.

[cttruetec]

Delivered to my house 1k.sweet project bike. slowly tearing it down, listing parts. Weld up broken exhaust. Having trouble finding tires. Would like street oriented,90/10. octipussy  holly chit. Pcv?,Breather in the frame? I don't normally work on bikes.   

[Tusayan]

Some states have looser rules for getting a title on older vehicles that are acquired outside the normal "buy & sell" procedures.  Again YMMV per state.  Siabed was able to get a title on a dead V7 Sport from Idaho in WA state.  YMMV again per the circumstances.  He wouldn't in CA or Hawaii. 

Based on personal experience in the not too distant past, it is fairly simple to title and register a motorcycle in California with no paperwork whatsoever.  It does have to be inspected by the California Highway Patrol.

[redhawk47]

Delivered to my house 1k.sweet project bike. slowly tearing it down, listing parts. Weld up broken exhaust. Having trouble finding tires. Would like street oriented,90/10. octipussy  holly chit. Pcv?,Breather in the frame? I don't normally work on bikes.

Tires: Pirelli Scorpion Trail II

[redhawk47]

One important reason to notify the DMV in California when you sell a vehicle is that the plates go with the vehicle. If the new owner has an accident you could be in trouble if you haven't notified the DMV.

In Colorado the plates stay with the seller. I once made the mistake of letting the buyer take them with the promise of returning them is a couple of days. He had an accident with my plates on the vehicle. Fortunately, I had a copy of the bill of sale with his signature, so I was able to clear things up relatively easily. I have since learned that you can legally drive a newly purchased vehicle in Colorado, without plates, but with a bill of sale, for 24 hours.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Delivered to my house 1k.sweet project bike. slowly tearing it down, listing parts. Weld up broken exhaust. Having trouble finding tires. Would like street oriented,90/10. octipussy  holly chit. Pcv?,Breather in the frame? I don't normally work on bikes.

Broken exhaust was common. Tires. Continental trail attacks. Trust me.. I had them on Darth Quota out in the mountains.. they were great. Breather in the frame is common on spine frames. This is Dr. John's dirt bike, and handling is much better than you expect from looking at it. The long travel suspension eats up expansion joints and rough roads. It's a great touring bike with all day comfort. As mentioned above.. tuning is "different."

[Tom]

Based on personal experience in the not too distant past, it is fairly simple to title and register a motorcycle in California with no paperwork whatsoever.  It does have to be inspected by the California Highway Patrol.

So you're saying an out of state vehicle can be registered with no paperwork in the state of California.  I don't think so.  What did you title and register?

"Requirements to Register a Nonresident Vehicle

    An Application for Title or Registration (REG 343) form (PDF) completed and signed by all registered owners shown on the out-of-state registration or title. For leased vehicles, the signature of the lessor is required.
    The last issued out-of-state title. When an out-of-state title is not surrendered to DMV, the California registration card is marked "Nontransferable" and a California title is not issued.
    The last issued out-of-state registration certificate or current year renewal notice, for the current year, or a letter, fax, or wire from the last registration jurisdiction verifying the registered owners name(s) and the vehicle's last registration expiration date.
    A Verification of Vehicle (REG 31) form (PDF) completed by an authorized DMV employee, law enforcement officer, or California-licensed vehicle verifier (no charge for vehicle verification at DMV offices)."

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/howto/htvr09#feesdue

[Tusayan]

so you're saying an out of state vehicle can be registered with no paperwork in the state of California.  I don't think so.

What I did was register a 1974 vehicle that had 'never been registered in any state', with no paperwork of any kind.  Actually it had been registered in California once upon a time but before computerized records, and the CA title was lost by one of several unrecorded prior owners.  This required first getting a temporary registration from the CA DMV, then driving the vehicle to the CHP for inspection (and stolen vehicle computer check of the VIN), then returning to the DMV and paying registration fees based on my statement of the purchase price.  There were no issues.

By the way, AAA is your friend in figuring out the most expeditious way to get registration done    They were able to tell me that the DMV had no record of prior CA registration.

[Tom]

If the bike had a registration and title in California then you wouldn't have to do the other steps in addition to a "normal" transfer.

[usedtobefast]

So did "Not Fishing" go buy this bike?
It isn't up on CL any more. 

[Chuck in Indiana]

So did "Not Fishing" go buy this bike?
It isn't up on CL any more.

The buyer posted a few posts ago..