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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2018, 11:32:07 AM »
They won't until they make a showroom like the one linked above (petrolitious.com), or show up in a movie of some sort. My observation is that things become collectable and people want them once they are showcased somewhere somehow. This is true for cars, furniture, lighting fixtures, clothing, motorcycles, etc. Us humans are strange like that. Again, just my observations.

I think you are correct Groover. The Terminator movie did more for Harley sales, than most of their paid advertisement. When Arnold swung a leg over that Fat Boy,  it projected such an image ,that everybody wanted one. I have read in numerous places, that after the movie, is when HD sales really took off, and people were paying 4-5 K over MSRP  dealer mark up,for the more popular models.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2018, 11:40:42 AM »
People looked at them *and* the price tag and said, "What will it do that my T3 won't do?"  They were right, of course.

It's not a thing you can measure.

In 1970, a 426 Hemi was a $900 option on a $3200 car, and they didn't sell all they made that year.

If you'd sprung for that option over the 383, your $900 investment would have grown to over $1M now.

Same for a 427 AC Cobra.   A $7500 car in the 60s, millions now for a nice one.

Nothing "real" explains that "value".   Just like the "Modern Art" thing.   Pablo Picasso could sneeze onto a canvas, smear it around, sign the corner of it, and it would sell for $50 million.   A Honda 100 in nice shape costs $1200, UNLESS "Von Dutch" painted a little cartoon on the tank, now it's $20,000.

People just decide it's worth it, that's all.

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2018, 12:00:23 PM »
What he said :1:


It's not a thing you can measure.

In 1970, a 426 Hemi was a $900 option on a $3200 car, and they didn't sell all they made that year.

If you'd sprung for that option over the 383, your $900 investment would have grown to over $1M now.

Same for a 427 AC Cobra.   A $7500 car in the 60s, millions now for a nice one.

Nothing "real" explains that "value".   Just like the "Modern Art" thing.   Pablo Picasso could sneeze onto a canvas, smear it around, sign the corner of it, and it would sell for $50 million.   A Honda 100 in nice shape costs $1200, UNLESS "Von Dutch" painted a little cartoon on the tank, now it's $20,000.

People just decide it's worth it, that's all.

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2018, 12:26:55 PM »
People looked at them *and* the price tag and said, "What will it do that my T3 won't do?"  They were right, of course.

And at that point the T3 had been discontinued for something like 14 years so it only makes sense that Guzzi release some cutting edge 1973 technology upon the world for the 1992 model year and wonder why they didn't sell gobs of them.


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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2018, 01:05:17 PM »
If they had an orange frame for the orange/black, I would have bought that one instead of a greenie but who knows maybe both.   :shocked:
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2018, 01:28:40 PM »
I think you are correct Groover. The Terminator movie did more for Harley sales, than most of their paid advertisement. When Arnold swung a leg over that Fat Boy,  it projected such an image ,that everybody wanted one. I have read in numerous places, that after the movie, is when HD sales really took off, and people were paying 4-5 K over MSRP  dealer mark up,for the more popular models.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2018, 01:40:42 PM »
Interesting to watch a rider react to strong crosswinds.   :evil:
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2018, 03:23:20 PM »
had the chance to buy one from Ace Mallot years ago in the crate....I think he said $6500 or $7000, not for sure but I regret to this day not buying it!
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2018, 04:10:30 PM »
When the discussion comes to 1000 S prices, there are often immense numbers in the game. It might work out to sell a perfect motorcycle for 15 or even 20.000, but I think this is the exemption and not really realistic. There might be the lucky Ebay seller who walks away with a pile of money, or the renowned dealer sells it to a wealthy customer with all warranty issues.
But when you sell it privately, you will most likely not reach these prices. As soon as it comes to the point “money on the table”, most potential buyers get cold feet. I sold my 1000 S last year, it took some time and a lot of dicussions, once I thought it was sold (>90%), but then it wasn't because I wasn't willing to go down with the price. I sold it to a collector in Austria for a fair price for both sides (still 4 digits), drove to Austria and delivered it. I'm happy that the 1000 S has found a nice new home, that was important for me. She now is part of a very exclusive collection, the owner is a real Guzzi specialist, his goal was to show all sport carburetor Guzzis.
The last missing piece was the …...1000 S. She will not be lonesome with all her sisters like: V7 Sport, 750 S, 750 S3, Le Mans, 1,2,3,4 and 5, 1100 Sport, and a 850 T3R, a special Austrian model.
That makes me happy, I want my motorcycle to be happy rather than a speculation object :-) 

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2018, 04:13:10 PM »
...and speaking of "the original, first year (1990) Fatboy", excellent examples of this bike are now going for $20K-$25K   :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :thumb: :1: :cool:




I was not aware of that JJ! Well, I hope the XR 1200 goes up in value like the original Fat Boy, and  the old HD Cafe Racer.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2018, 04:40:38 PM »
That sure is a pretty collection in Austria  :thumb:

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2018, 05:23:18 PM »
So, as I understand it, the 1000S is a stripped down LeMans.  And there was a bike called the Strada 1000 that was also a stripped down LeMans but with plastic bodywork but that one is not as collectible?

So the Strada and S model are essentially the same but one is collectable and the other not as much?  Or have I gotten this totally wrong? 

And why isn't the LeMans the most collectable of the three?

I had a LeMans 5 and Strada sitting together naked.  :shocked:  :smiley: The only real difference you could see was the Strada had bigger front rotors. Of course, the Lemans had the big valve engine and the Strada the medium valve, but it was hard to tell the difference from looking at them.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2018, 05:33:45 PM »
IMHO..the beauty in the Moto Guzzi motorcycle is to ride and not collect dust. The same goes with a classic car. Whats the use in owning a Shelby Mustang and not drive it? Back in the 80's I drove an original 1970 428CJ Mach 1 to and from work each and every day. I enjoyed actually driving that car for 10 or so years. At this time I have 3 Guzzi's and they all get ridden each week. I feel it's collectors and not actual riders that raise the prices of these bikes and cars we call classics...just watch the car auctions on TV.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2018, 05:34:47 PM »
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2018, 05:54:54 PM »
So, as I understand it, the 1000S is a stripped down LeMans.  And there was a bike called the Strada 1000 that was also a stripped down LeMans but with plastic bodywork but that one is not as collectible?

So the Strada and S model are essentially the same but one is collectable and the other not as much?  Or have I gotten this totally wrong? 

And why isn't the LeMans the most collectable of the three?

I'd say because the strada is ugly and the 1000s looks cool as hell.

The LeMans is certainly collectable, but they imported made like 10x more of them
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2018, 05:58:31 PM »
I have a Strada too.  I use that for a daily rider/errand runner.  Either 1000S is for playtime.   :thumb: 
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2018, 06:01:56 PM »
The 1000S essentially exemplified why Guzzi stopped listening to their customers! It�s also the reason why if Piaggio have any sense they will never try and build something even remotely similar.

Before the launch of the 1000S there had been several years of models that had stylistically turned their backs on the timeless mid �70�s lines of the Sport/S/LeMans. Even the MkIII/IV/V were radically different in appearance to the earlier models and the Greek chorus of moaners all started banging on about what Guzzi needed to do was �Bring Back� the classic lines of the early �Sporting� Tonti�s.

So they did.

And they sold like seven day old rat sandwiches!

And now everybody thinks they�re marvellous and what Guzzi should do is build another one!

God forbid!

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2018, 06:44:37 PM »
The 1000S essentially exemplified why Guzzi stopped listening to their customers! It�s also the reason why if Piaggio have any sense they will never try and build something even remotely similar.

Before the launch of the 1000S there had been several years of models that had stylistically turned their backs on the timeless mid �70�s lines of the Sport/S/LeMans. Even the MkIII/IV/V were radically different in appearance to the earlier models and the Greek chorus of moaners all started banging on about what Guzzi needed to do was �Bring Back� the classic lines of the early �Sporting� Tonti�s.

So they did.

And they sold like seven day old rat sandwiches!

And now everybody thinks they�re marvellous and what Guzzi should do is build another one!

God forbid!

This is what Guzzi does. They are still marketing the 40 year old V50 platform. Bore the cylinders out slap on a snazzy paint scheme and you have a new bike. To to really mix things up throw in a 6 speed transmission and ABS.

I do love Guzzi's but thank dog every other manufacturers didn't follow the same idealogy. 
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2018, 06:51:04 PM »
What Piaggio did was look back at their first retro attempt and figure out that they couldn't sell it for a low enough price.  The current V7 range is the result - a cheap to build small block version of the same thing that sells very well at about the same MSRP in 2018 as the 1000S twenty five years ago.  That's about half the price in inflation adjusted dollars.

I prefer instead the last non-cruiser Guzzis that didn't copy either an earlier Guzzi model or an oil head BMW - meaning the 93-98 sport bikes.  Along those lines there's also the re-done Centauro, the Griso, which is OK but despite not being a cruiser still makes me feel like I'm riding some kind of custom chopper.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2018, 07:50:29 PM »
So, as I understand it, the 1000S is a stripped down LeMans.  And there was a bike called the Strada 1000 that was also a stripped down LeMans but with plastic bodywork but that one is not as collectible?

So the Strada and S model are essentially the same but one is collectable and the other not as much?  Or have I gotten this totally wrong? 

And why isn't the LeMans the most collectable of the three?

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2018, 08:23:58 PM »
The s has the big valve motor

‘Some’ S’s have the big valve motor. There were in fact two series. The later ones had the mid valve motor and if I were in the market that’s the one I’d seek out as I’m no fan of the big valve but that’s just me.

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2018, 08:44:02 PM »
 :1: with the ROPE.  FWIR '91 Big valve, '93 Mid valve.  Don't know if there were '92 models.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2018, 10:19:55 PM »
No '92 anything for the U.S.  I'd love a 1000s, but there is no way in heck it's worth that much of a premium over a lemans 1000 to me.

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2018, 10:37:20 PM »
What Piaggio did was look back at their first retro attempt and figure out that they couldn't sell it for a low enough price.  The current V7 range is the result - a cheap to build small block version of the same thing that sells very well at about the same MSRP in 2018 as the 1000S twenty five years ago.  That's about half the price in inflation adjusted dollars.

I prefer instead the last non-cruiser Guzzis that didn't copy either an earlier Guzzi model or an oil head BMW - meaning the 93-98 sport bikes.  Along those lines there's also the re-done Centauro, the Griso, which is OK but despite not being a cruiser still makes me feel like I'm riding some kind of custom chopper.

I find this odd.

I can't ride a cruiser at all - even the Indian Chief series or the MG Cali 14, which are both arguably among the most comfortable cruisers built. My Stelvio feels like a oversize adventure bike should, my Norge feels like a sport-tourer should (if a bit cramped, fixed easily enough) - and my Griso feels like a street-fighter, more comfortable and confident than a Diavel, B-King, V-Max, V-Rod, or anything else in the muscle-bike class. It actually can handle properly, which is apparently rare.

None of my bikes were even being designed when the later 'sport' Guzzis were being built - but they are all great machines and the Griso is definitely the bike I choose when I want to go out and be rude to people!  :evil:
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2018, 01:01:57 AM »
Way back when the 1000S were new, I was a cashed up young fella - working on a drilling rig in the Qld Gulf country so I was being paid well and no where to spend it. So with $ in the pocket I rode my 1000SP down to Phil Beaumont's in Brisbane to check out the 1000S.

I was disappointed - I though the finish was very ordinary and it wasn't a patch on a mate's 750S3. I did the sensible thing and instead bought a mint 2nd hand Ducati 900S2 and mint 850 Lemans Mk3 for less money AND kept the SP.

Certainly don't regret the choice I made. One day I will have 750S3......but I just picked up a 1200 Sport Corsa and it is my first motorcycle made this century. Bloody fantastic thing it is too.

By all means if you must have a 1000S good luck to you.

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2018, 11:32:12 AM »
I just dont understand Guzzi values some times...What is the reason a 1000 S is worth so much more than say a Le Mans, or a sport 1100, or even a V7 Sport?
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I’ve ridden all those and each is a great bike. The 1000S is essentially a stripped down LeMans 1000. It is a ridiculously fun bike to ride! And don’t believe those who compare it to a T3. Not even close. That being said the early ones had big valve heads and 40mm carbs. They were better than the later bikes.
I set up and rode the very first 1000S to come to America. It was a hot rod! And with the unassuming looks and easy ergos it was easy to get around quickly without drawing too much attention  :copcar:  Just like Porsche stripping all the flufff out of a 911, Guzzi gave us the 1000S.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2018, 11:46:31 AM »
No '92 anything for the U.S.  I'd love a 1000s, but there is no way in heck it's worth that much of a premium over a lemans 1000 to me.

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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2018, 12:35:43 PM »
The s has the big valve motor

well, how many big block motors did Guzzi build?  Small valve, medium valve, big valve?  More compression?  More cam?

I know my EV and V11 Sport are quite a bit different in performance.  Both like to rev but he Sport has more go despite the "same" engine but different rear end and transmission.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2018, 12:38:33 PM »
Different tuning through the ECU plus the 6 speed.  Someone else can give more details.
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Re: 1000S Value
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2018, 12:58:51 PM »
No '92 anything for the U.S.  I'd love a 1000s, but there is no way in heck it's worth that much of a premium over a lemans 1000 to me.

Speaking of nice, vintage 1000's....wish I had the extra lettuce for this red beauty!! :thumb: :1: :cool:




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