are track days in Jeopardy?

[kidsmoke]

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/could-this-lawsuit-affect-track-days-and-club-racing

[Lannis]

It WOULD be sad if the whinings of an incompetent, arrogant, it's-never-my-fault snowflake results in people not being able to agree to have fun and take risks ....

If this guy's company is successful, shame on anyone who patronized it .....

Lannis

[kingoffleece]

If he wins it's over for track days.  Nobody will insure it.  Especially after the 2nd lawsuit loss.

[oldbike54]

 I wouldn't get overly excited yet , these types of lawsuits are extremely common , everyone wants to sue insurance companies .

 Dusty

[Irn]

It is an interesting read.  Why was even let him on the track, missed the mandatory riders meeting!  If you look at the law firm that is representing him and the specific lawyer this is by no means a PI ambulance chaser special, but a major worldwide corporate firm.  My guess, he ran out of money for his startup and the original investors fearing their investment was a total loss suggested he go down this road to get some funding.  Does not make it any less heinous, but please let us not turn this into a rant about our legal system, startups.  If there is no room for dealer attacks and politics, certainly we can refrain from the terms "fake news" and "snowflakes".  By all means, his actions are reprehensible, but I would like to know as the late Paul Harvey used to say "The Rest of the Story"

[Lannis]

As long as no one mentions Poxic Musculinity, we'll be safe, I reckon ....

Wait, I misunderstood.

"Category 'Amateur Sports' for $400, Alex"

"An organised event in which non-members are allowed to drive or ride around established motor racing circuits."

Lannis

[Mayakovski]

Looks to me like Kim needs more money for LIT motors and this is his way of trying to get some.
It's not like LIT has actually produced anything sell-able in many years and it must be hemorrhaging money at this point.

[jlburgess]

Maybe he will sue Ducati too because the auto-lean feature didn't work on his Panigale? 

[kidsmoke]

Motoworks Chicago, a nice shop I've done some work with in the past, posted this article, clearly concerned about the outcome. They sponsor an annual track day at Gingerman Raceway in Western Michigan everyear which I have wanted to participate in but never have. Like Laguna-Seca, it's got varied terrain and lots of tight turns.

Wouldn't you know this comes along, threatening such things. I'm not as experienced as many of you guys are, but it seems to me the video is pretty damaging to Kim's claims.

[redrider90]

I look that the video and I think of the video on the topic "Why did this accident happen" and I see the same thing in both videos. Except one video is from the back and the other is from the front. Both guys miss their apexes and change their lines and both guys sit upright and run off the pavement. Only different is one hits a sand bad and the other hits a guard rail.

[kirkemon]

I guess signing the waiver doesn't mean much.

[kingoffleece]

That's the scary part. In today's society nobody is ever responsible for themselves. Pity, really.

[redrider90]

In the short video I saw a multitude of sandbag barriers: some quite large. I cannot imagine after 10 laps he didn't notice the sand bags placed throughout the track. A waiver is a waiver is a waiver. Track days are for folks wanting to have fun and get better with far fewer risks than on the street. But running off the road at high speed doesn't mean there are not any risks. Say the track removed the sand bags and the night before a storm moved through and left a trough from the rain runoff. He hits the trough,  goes airborne the same way. So he sues them for not having sand bags to prevent runoff.

[kingoffleece]

BINGO!  That's the professional world I live in every day in NY state.  Doesn't matter what you do-this or that-whatever it is-you get sued for not doing the other.

[rocker59]

I watched the video and the rider in question clearly gave up on the turn. He had plenty of room to make it.

I do see the point about the sand bags in the runoff area, though. They're definitely a hazard to anyone running wide, there.

I've seen many track day riders go wide and use the. Run off areas. They usually stay upright, and after a few moments to gather up, get back on the track.

Clear, smooth run off areas are important.



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[rocker59]

In the short video I saw a multitude of sandbag barriers: some quite large. I cannot imagine after 10 laps he didn't notice the sand bags placed throughout the track. A waiver is a waiver is a waiver. Track days are for folks wanting to have fun and get better with far fewer risks than on the street. But running off the road at high speed doesn't mean there are not any risks. Say the track removed the sand bags and the night before a storm moved through and left a trough from the rain runoff. He hits the trough,  goes airborne the same way. So he sues them for not having sand bags to prevent runoff.

So true.

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[oldbike54]

 Just because someone owns a Panigale , or any other street legal production race bike , doesn't mean they can ride it . Go to any track day and watch who the consistently fast riders are , usually they are on something that isn't state of the art .

 Dusty

[toolittletime]

Just because someone owns a Panigale , or any other street legal production race bike , doesn't mean they can ride it . Go to any track day and watch who the consistently fast riders are , usually they are on something that isn't state of the art .

 Dusty

 :1:

[Darren Williams]

Just because someone owns a Panigale , or any other street legal production race bike , doesn't mean they can ride it . Go to any track day and watch who the consistently fast riders are , usually they are on something that isn't state of the art .

 Dusty

Reminds me of what someone, I don't remember who, wrote, "Owning a scalpel doesn't make you a surgeon."

The world is a dangerous place. That guy should stick to video games.

[twowings]

That's the scary part. In today's society nobody is ever responsible for themselves. Pity, really.

^THIS

You signed a waiver...you f***ed up...you, and only you pay the price...race courses aren't made of nerf...

[Turin]

If only he had brought his LIT cycle thingy...

 



The outcome could have been so very different

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[AH Fan]

Just a squid.............. ....

Ciao

[jlburgess]

If only he had brought his LIT cycle thingy...

 



The outcome could have been so very different

.

Is he Lady Gaga?

[Rick in WNY]

OK, not a "track day bro" here, but I see ONE point the organized screwed up...

Mr. Kim missed the riders meeting. JMHO, he should not have been allowed on the track.

Everything else there... he lost faith in his ability to control the motorcycle and done f-ed up the turn when he cut the throttle. I think any decent rider should be able to tell you that's one of the easiest ways to create a wreck.

[dxhall]

This was pure rider error.  He blew the apex and chopped the throttle, which stood the bike up and made it run wide.   A total rookie mistake.  He had plenty of lean angle remaining and could easily have made the corner.  It is a good thing for the track that it has the video.