V85 80HP motor to be used in road bike?!?

[Moz]

Was news to me...? ;)

http://theclan.motoguzzi.com/en/the-v85-engine-the-clan-special/

THE V85 ENGINE: ALL THE SECRETS IN THE CLAN SPECIAL 5July 2018
The powerful, unique lines of the V85 have stayed in our minds since we first saw the bike at EICMA 2017 and, after no less than two much-clicked special features on the topic  posted right here on the community website, for us members of The Clan the bike�s design no longer holds any secrets. �Ok, but what about the engine?� you ask.

This is one of the top topics in the comments section, so here�s the in-depth article that we�ve all been waiting for regarding the 850CC engine that powers not only the V85 but a new range of �Eagle� two-wheelers, starting with a much more road-style sibling!

We can only tell you about this engine thanks to Antonio Cappellini, Moto Guzzi�s head honcho of design as well as diehard biker and off-roader, who revealed all the secrets of this twin-cylinder engine in the May edition of the �Motociclismo� magazine.


80� THE MAGIC NUMBER
80 HP with 80 Nm of torque and extreme attention paid to easy, fluid power delivery: that�s the recipe for this new engine that will soon be powering us and the V85 towards new Guzzi-style adventures.

While from the outside it may remind you of the 850CC twin of the V9, the similarities are limited to the engine capacity and the bore and stroke figures: all the rest is totally new!

The time has come to lay to rest a false rumour that has been doing the rounds amongst certain Guzzi fans out there: there was no need for 4 valves per cylinder in order to achieve the mythical figure of 100 HP/litre, 2 valves per cylinder, enlarged to 45 mm, were quite sufficient. The pushrod and valve rocker system and the air-cooling, the pride and tradition of Moto Guzzi history, remain unchanged, thus confirming the engineering architecture that has made the brand what it is today.

NOTHING SECRET
We Guzzi fans don�t believe in miracles, so what is the secret of this new engine�s performance? Obviously there�s more than just one: firstly the use of titanium intake valves, an elegant solution that enables the adoption of a far more high-performance valve-lifting geometry, and then there�s also the semi-dry sump lubrication system rather than a dry-sump system, with dual coaxial delivery pumps that are so reliable that there is no need to fit an oil cooler.

We can also say goodbye to the very bothersome vibrations at high speed (while the more pleasant ones will remain) thanks to a weight saving of almost 30% on the piston rod assemblies. To complete the package there will also be a new, 52mm throttle assembly  (as compared to the 39mm of the V9) and a ride-by-wire throttle, coupled with variable mapping for riding and traction control conditions.


EVOLUTION AND LEGEND
The best of technology with total respect for tradition: an engineering challenge also overcome as regards environmental emissions. Indeed, the V85�s engine is proof that performance and air-cooling can in fact coexist comfortably with the Euro 4 regulations. But how, you ask? Well, thanks to the high operating efficiency delivered by the absence of a number of components that tend to reduce power output (such as cooling pumps and timing chains), which also translates into very low fuel consumption figures.

An engine that is so modern that it even impacts on the frame design, becoming an integral part of the vehicle. Thanks to more rigid side covers and longer forks, the V85�s precision and driveability on the road are top notch, even at high speed.


CHANGING PERSPECTIVE
In a market such as that of on- and off-roading machines, in which the twin cylinder engine capacities have for some time now exceeded 1200CC, the V85 engine now comes along with all its ducks in a row and ready to change the rules of the game rather than merely accept them as they are.
Lightweight, responsive, with a feisty torque curve that already hits 80 Nm at 3,500RPM, this bike is able to meet all the on-road riding needs of even the most expert riders, and even in arduous off-road riding conditions.

Moto Guzzi�s history is studded with examples of bikes that have broken all the rules while remaining true to the identity of the legend that is Moto Guzzi: this is undoubtedly going to be one great Moto Guzzi!

[Huzo]

Shut up and take my money..!

[egschade]

Been down this road before. 80HP at the crank maybe, on a really good day, using a blueprinted engine, yadda-yadda-yadda :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu

That said, can't wait for a test ride...

[pebra]

80 crank hp and not-so-heavy?
I'd be VERY interested in a road-style sibling!

[giusto]

I feel another thread merge coming..


Thanks for this!! Great stuff...could be lots more detail on the engine

First time I've seen the Blue....I am in

[oldbike54]

 So this new motor is still a two valve ?

 I ain't believing the power figures until someone does some actual Dyno runs .

 Dusty

[ohiorider]

So this new motor is still a two valve ?

 I ain't believing the power figures until someone does some actual Dyno runs .

 Dusty

But ....... but .......... Guzzi has said ................... .........

[mjptexas]

Hmmm....

l'm thinking model year three might be the time to buy.

[PeteS]

Shut up and take my money..!

My feelings as well. I was in since the first announcement. Its getting better with every update.
60, 70, 80 HP, who cares. My 60 HP LeMans will go 125mph  Who here rides 125 on dirt roads?

Pete

[Huzo]

My feelings as well. I was in since the first announcement. Its getting better with every update.
60, 70, 80 HP, who cares. My 60 HP LeMans will go 125mph  Who here rides 125 on dirt roads?

Pete

Exactly.
Even if 80 horse proves to be an optimistic claim, so what ? As you say, a 60 horse Le Mans is fawned over on these pages and my Mk 2 is an underpowered, underbraked, undersuspended, underridden relic that only serves to show me how good my Norge is.
Instead of standing back and ridiculing Guzzi's claims, we might be better served to see how it feels on an evaluation ride and bugger what the dyno says.
All Guzzies are pretty watery when put side by side with the likes of an Aprilia RSV 1000 or performance offering, from the land of the Rising Sun, but that's not a KPI that's worthy of inclusion in the equation.
There's a collective swell of posts that grizzle on the subject that Guzzi won't produce what "we" want and when they look like they might, they cop a bollocking from the knockers who want to scoff at their claims and then give the reader the benefit of their own conventional wisdom, with such bursts of enlightenment as...
"I'll believe it when I see it"...
I'll look forward to watching them on mastermind,
"Random voices from Wild Guzzi, special subject...
The bleedin' obvious..."

[RinkRat II]

   Your point is well taken Huzo,
       But unfortunately  the marketing guys are really ramping up on this one, and we've all been subjucted to their B.S. not only with Moto Guzzi but everything else we buy. Stiffer side panels? no wonder my sport doesn't handle, mine are plastic! Whats next environmentally friendly seat cover?  I'll be happy to wait and actually see one in person and in the meantime don't feed me nonsense.

         Paul B

[oldbike54]

 Sorry fellas , this "clan" nonsense just strikes me as silly . I don't truly care how much power the new motor makes , but over hyping and under delivering seems an awful way to market . Time will tell , maybe the "new" motor will be a beast , or maybe it will be a slight improvement on the existing motor . Doubting the engineers had any input on the marketing , it reads like something from a bike rag circa 1970 .

 Dusty

[Huzo]

   Your point is well taken Huzo,
       But unfortunately  the marketing guys are really ramping up on this one, and we've all been subjucted to their B.S. not only with Moto Guzzi but everything else we buy. Stiffer side panels? no wonder my sport doesn't handle, mine are plastic! Whats next environmentally friendly seat cover?  I'll be happy to wait and actually see one in person and in the meantime don't feed me nonsense.

         Paul B

Yes ok mate, that's fairly put.
But the poor bastards are trying to learn how to market their stuff.
If they knocked Harley or BMW's marketing gurus over the head and locked them up in Mandello, picking their brains as it were on the topic of product promotion, you'd reckon there'd be an immediate increase in uptake of the old rattlers.
Their phraseology is quaint and quirky to the point of being comical, but I sorta' like their weirdness and relative lack of slickness, the likes of which only a true ad-man can vomit forth, upon request.
It probably is BS, but it's a brand I like and I wouldn't necessarily believe them if they told me my arse was pointing towards the Earth anyway...
I'll know 5 minutes after the first turn of the throttle, but I'll not call them liars or bullshit artists until I've got a solid reason, even if I suspect it.
I'd sooner trust them then wish I hadn't, than not trust them and wish I had...

[Huzo]

, it reads like something from a bike rag circa 1970 .

 Dusty

No need to apologize Dusty, you speak truly.
Yes it does sound like 70's crap, but I love it..
They were the best years of my life.
Bring that crap on..!
They've no need to advertise to me anyway, put one on the floor and I'll ride it from Melbourne to Mandello

[John Croucher]

High dome hemi also.  Takes some good engine management to make that work.  Dual plug heads?

[Huzo]

As a comparison, My beemer has 1130 cc, 10.3 to 1 compression ratio, 4 valves dual plug hemi head and is rated (seen dyno runs of several R1150Rs) rated 83 hp @ 6750 rpm. at the crank. On the dyno about 78 hp (rear wheel) w/ no cat & staintune exhaust..

Duh....

Oh dear that's only 3 horse up on a V 85.
Is she unwell..?

[Huzo]

On the contrary, its the difference between the real world and a..well... fairy tale.

:-)

Oh, I see yes.
Well, at least it's got us all talking...
Just looking at the images, I wish somebody would buy them a can of decent coloured paint.
Looks like the display bikes at the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras in Sydney..!
(Especially that blue tank thing, sorta' line something from Priscilla Queen of the Desert)

[rtbickel]

A test ride will be the proof of the pudding, as they say.  I love the blue paint job, but would also have to see how that red frame looks in real life, it doesn't do much for me in the photos, but if the rest of the bike is the real deal, I could live with it.  My local dealer is flagged to let me know when it hits the showroom - is the purported August/September intro date for Europe or the US also?  Hmm, it might be time to see about finding a good home for the Special Sport to make room in the man cave. 

[Sheepdog]

The additional color schemes look nice...

[LowRyter]

[LowRyter]

80HP?   That's up 5HP from my 75HP V11 Sport.

But my Sport has Clydesdales, not Shetlands.   

[PeteS]

As a comparison, My beemer has 1130 cc, 10.3 to 1 compression ratio, 4 valves dual plug hemi head and is rated (seen dyno runs of several R1150Rs) rated 83 hp @ 6750 rpm. at the crank. On the dyno about 78 hp (rear wheel) w/ no cat & staintune exhaust..

Duh....

Well, my Triumph 800 XC Tiger is rated at 94HP and dynoed at 82. OK three cylinders and 4 valves per. Those beemers must be way under stressed. Guzzi's claims might have been easily met with 4 valves. We will have see how close they get with 2 per.
BTW I checked what normally aspirated 2 valve 6.2L Corvettes make. 1.2 HP per cubic inch. Guzzi is claiming 1.5 so I get the skeptics. Still no matter to me.

Pete

[Turin]

For Guzzi Perspective, my Quota 1100 makes a Dyno tuned via power commander 64 RWHP and 62 Ft.Lbs. of torque. Probably weighs a good 600 lbs.
It pulls like a freight train with gobs power where I need it. It's my favorite do everything bike. Quality of horsepower is more important than the amount. Riding something with the powerband of a light switch sucks ( ie: stock Centauro / Daytona RS )
Someone should actually ride this new dual sport before we start condemning or praising it. It could be the best engine Guzzi ever made.

"The Clan" is a moronic advertising campaign and does not translate well to the U.S. market. Membership sounds like it should come with a complimentary white pointy hat.

[tazio]

 

......
"The Clan" is a moronic advertising campaign and does not translate well to the U.S. market. Membership sounds like it should come with a complimentary white pointy hat.

And Guzzi has used White Power suspension..
A disturbing coincidence?
 Inquiring minds.....

[twowheeladdict]

I bought the V7 for what it is.  Not what everyone hopes Moto Guzzi will become.  I've had the 160 Hp bikes.  I very rarely ever used the Hp available.

I'm sure I will rarely hit the max Hp RPMs on the V7. 

When I had a Ninja 250 and my KLX250S, then yes, I constantly used all the Hp available.

I would rather they put Ohlins suspension front and back, good rubber, and good brakes and call it a day. 

[twowings]

I WANT THE BLUE ONE!!!! 

[Tusayan]

A (quite durable) 1064 cc V11 Sport makes about 78 RWHP with a pushrod 2V per cylinder air cooled engine.  I'd guess the power output of this might be something like 850/1064 * 78 = 62 RWHP.   The lack of any torque reaction linkage would probably be limiting with any more power than that in any case.

[Larry]

I would rather they put Ohlins suspension front and back, --- and good brakes and call it a day.

Totally

Larry

[bad Chad]

The Clan is an unfortunate choice,  though 90% of the Guzzi market surly has no issue, as I believe the Klan is a unique American nightmare.

I hope Guzzi gets it right, out of the Shute, it could be a big platform and motor for them.

[Vagrant]

Well I as many here am too old to wait till year 3. If it could be at least as good as a V7-3 and deliver 65 & 65 to the rear wheel still have a low seat height I'll gamble and buy the first one I find.
Don't forget they built the Aprillia shiver with about the same power.