V85 80HP motor to be used in road bike?!?

[LowRyter]

For Guzzi Perspective, my Quota 1100 makes a Dyno tuned via power commander 64 RWHP and 62 Ft.Lbs. of torque. Probably weighs a good 600 lbs.
It pulls like a freight train with gobs power where I need it. It's my favorite do everything bike. Quality of horsepower is more important than the amount. Riding something with the powerband of a light switch sucks ( ie: stock Centauro / Daytona RS )
Someone should actually ride this new dual sport before we start condemning or praising it. It could be the best engine Guzzi ever made.

"The Clan" is a moronic advertising campaign and does not translate well to the U.S. market. Membership sounds like it should come with a complimentary white pointy hat.

[Moz]

Jeesh, let's see how it turns out - I for one are more interested in the news of a new mid weight road bike

Do I think this new engine will make 80 HP at the crank? Probably not.

Do I care? No.

I've ridden the V9 and it's a lively engine - this has all the markings of an even better one..

[Kev m]

Jeesh, let's see how it turns out - I for one are more interested in the news of a new mid weight road bike

Do I think this new engine will make 80 HP at the crank? Probably not.

Do I care? No.

I've ridden the V9 and it's a lively engine - this has all the markings of an even better one..

∆∆∆∆ this.

Jebuz, some of you fookers would piss on a kid's lit birthday cake!

[Turin]

That is a fantastic picture. Quota is kinda like a Clydesdale . 

[oldbike54]

 GEEBUS , no one is knocking the new bike , only the incredibly childish marketing . Build us a modern bike , give us some numbers , grease everything that needs grease , make sure the valve train doesn't explode , and it will sell .

 Dusty

[Kev m]

GEEBUS , no one is knocking the new bike , only the incredibly childish marketing . Build us a modern bike , give us some numbers , grease everything that needs grease , make sure the valve train doesn't explode , and it will sell .

 Dusty

Hey you marketers, get off my lawn....

[oldbike54]

Hey you marketers, get off my lawn....

 I can't imagine anyone buying a new Guzzi based on that nonsense on the clan .

 Dusty

[twowheeladdict]

 I can't imagine anyone buying a new Guzzi based on that nonsense on the clan .

 Dusty

Why would someone buy a new Guzzi that isn't already a Guzzi fan Dusty?

[oldbike54]

Why would someone buy a new Guzzi that isn't already a Guzzi fan Dusty?

 It happens all of the time , but not because of a bunch of marketing hype .

 Dusty

[beetle]

I've translated it for you:

This is a new motorcycle made by Moto Guzzi. It has a conventional 2 valve, pushrod engine to keep the Luddites happy, and a fancy ECU with ride-by-wire and other geegaws like traction control and ABS to keep the techno wankers happy. It has suspension to stop your bottom getting sore and you can ride it on the road, and even on grass and sand and rocks and stuff. The new engine makes some power. It will go fast enough to lose your licence, an you can even ride it slow. Honest! The fuel tank is big enough to let you ride between towns, even. The nay-sayers said we'd have to build a liquid cooled engine to beat the pesky Euro4 emissions, but we showed them! We just inject fresh air into the exhaust. Ha!

[Kev m]

 I can't imagine anyone buying a new Guzzi based on that nonsense on the clan .

 Dusty

Yes we've already established that you, and I, and everyone else here is above all that. Yeah the elites.

But at the end of the day it seems to work, only on the unwashed masses right? But work it seems to do.

So why begrudge your preferred motorcycle manufacture that piece of success?

I dunno, seems like Much Ado...

[oldbike54]

Yes we've already established that you, and I, and everyone else here is above all that. Yeah the elites.

But at the end of the day it seems to work, only on the unwashed masses right? But work it seems to do.

So why begrudge your preferred motorcycle manufacture that piece of success?

I dunno, seems like Much Ado...

 Yeah , and when the motorbike misses the hype by a country mile we'll see how that works . Build a quality bike , market it properly and stand back . The younger audience this bike is aimed at are pretty careful with their money .

 Dusty

[bad Chad]

Ahh, now we can see, Dusty has a sharp understanding of how the sub thirty set feels about money and value, and we can be sure he hasn't come to his conclusion based on limited anicdotale sources.

[oldbike54]

Ahh, now we can see, Dusty has a sharp understanding of how the sub thirty set feels about money and value, and we can be sure he hasn't come to his conclusion based on limited anicdotale sources.

 Actually I have daily contact with more than one motorcycle rider who is in that age bracket , you don't think I spend all of my time hanging with you old guys do you ? In fact about ten of those guys and a couple of girls are joining me for a small get together in September .

 Dusty

[Moz]

I've translated it for you:
...
We just inject fresh air into the exhaust. Ha!

Hehe, you may be right..  and yet they are monitoring the exhaust on both sides high up and well before the expansion chamber..?

[beetle]

The production model will likely have the lambda probes just before the crossover. The secondary air on the small block is in the heads.

[Warren Rhen]

What bothers me is the usual Italian hype introducing a bike at one of these shows and the bike doesn't arrive for another 3+ years Having said that is there any guesstimate of weight price etc?

[Bulldog9]

"This bike has its ducks in a row" ......😎 Yup.... Just look at it's face. Looks like a cartoon character.

[Huzo]

The production model will likely have the lambda probes just before the crossover. The secondary air on the small block is in the heads.

Get some VW software into the system and it'll pass emissions testing every time..
(For a while)

[Socalrob]

I like this bike and may well buy one.  Having said that, suspension travel looks mighty limited and the bash plate bolting directly to the engine case, well, I see cracked engine cases should the bash plate actually contact rock from its low ground clearance position.

[earemike]

The clan? Scott’s have had them for years, perhaps you prefer tribe?

[giusto]

Hehe, you may be right..  and yet they are monitoring the exhaust on both sides high up and well before the expansion chamber..?

Have a look just forward of the oil fill/dip stick... in greese pen ...I think that says �Press OK� interesting ...

[Rough Edge racing]

 If the quotes on rear wheel HP is from a Dynojet dynamometer, it about about 8-10 percent higher than the eddy current dynos manufacturers use...
 The 2 valve Ducati air cooled 900's as used in the Monsters and SS's make a realistic 70 or so HP at the rear wheel..Some might advertise that at 82 HP...

[twowheeladdict]

It happens all of the time , but not because of a bunch of marketing hype .

 Dusty

If not the marketing, then why?  If you don't know, then how do you know it is not because of the marketing?

[oldbike54]

If not the marketing, then why?  If you don't know, then how do you know it is not because of the marketing?

 Don't you already need to own a Guzzi to belong to this "clan" nonsense ?

 Once again , build a modern motorbike that doesn't go boom , make sure it is really an improvement, get a couple into the hands of journos , and stand back .

 Maybe I am just tired of marketing hype , I don't eat at chain restaurants , don't shop at Old Navy, and don't believe that drinking Bud Light will make me cool . Time will tell , I hope this thing sells like hot cakes , but trust me , if it is nothing more than hype , the success will be short lived . Word gets around really fast today .

 Dusty

[JohninVT]

I always shake my head when the first thing someone posts is that a Guzzi needs Ohlins.  Is there a bike on the market with Ohlins suspension that doesn't cost over 15 grand?  I honestly don't know but I can't remember seeing one.  Ohlins on a Guzzi is like a homely girl getting a set of bolt-ons.  It doesn't magically transform her into a knockout.   

I'd rather see an V85 powered sporty standard with CX or 1000S styling, decent suspension by Marzocchi or Sachs and a price point under or around 12k.  They might as well discontinue the V9 or upgrade the V7 by using the V9 engine in it.

As a previous poster said, the V85 will have roughly 900SS stock horsepower and probably be 30-40lbs heavier.  My 93' 900SS had a 944cc upgrade, flatslides and cored mufflers and I still wasn't overawed by the power but it was certainly adequate.             

[Darren Williams]

Horse power claims are for bench racing noobs!   

There are a lot of bikes that out perform their numbers because the torque curve is well designed. Smooth and not "on-off" power down low when riding slowly through town but wick it up a bit and it comes on well when fed the berries.

I personally think that is why the Guzzi small block is so well thought of by their owners. My FJ09 has a bench racing beast of a motor and when riding it spiritedly, it puts out in spades. However, when shutting down to ride through a town I have found it is most comfortable to switch it over to rain mode or there is just too much "quick".

Guzzi has shown in the past they understand how to use the torque curve to the bike advantage and I see no reason for them to change now. I really don't care what the HP figures are at the top of the rev range, but do care that the motor is smooth at low RPMs (unlike the CARCs without remapping) and has some guts from 4.5K to 7K RPMs.

They used the same 1200 motor in the Griso, Norge, Stelvio and Breva. Lets hope this motor pans out and they repeat the formula successfully!   

[John Croucher]

Don't you already need to own a Guzzi to belong to this "clan" nonsense ?

 Once again , build a modern motorbike that doesn't go boom , make sure it is really an improvement, get a couple into the hands of journos , and stand back .

 Maybe I am just tired of marketing hype , I don't eat at chain restaurants , don't shop at Old Navy, and don't believe that drinking Bud Light will make me cool . Time will tell , I hope this thing sells like hot cakes , but trust me , if it is nothing more than hype , the success will be short lived . Word gets around really fast today .

 Dusty

Hot Cakes have gluten and some people are sensitive to gluten.  No one will be satisfied until we all sit quietly in a blacked out room set a 74 degrees f.  Equality sounds like a great idea for everyone, but me.

[twowings]

HP figures a lot of flash and not much substance...if the motor has a broad, flat torque curve with tractable usable power off-idle and deep into the mid-range, THAT is what makes a great engine...much easier to engineer something that can race from stoplight-to-stoplight...

[RinkRat II]

Have a look just forward of the oil fill/dip stick... in greese pen ...I think that says �Press OK� interesting ...

 I think that's probably Oil Pressure check, and Oh My Gosh, an oil level sight glass! It's about time
   I hope they sell well.

       Paul B