Author Topic: Replacing ITI speedo on Stone (Read 10338 times)

rjamesohio · « **on:** August 05, 2018, 05:15:55 AM »

My odometer is useless now so....

I read the article on Guzzitech about replacing with electronic versions. Well done article BUT...

Neither the beautiful VDO and the auto meter versions have both permanent odo AND resettable. They only have one resettable and I like having both.

A bit more research last nite and I found a mechanical Speedo by Autometer in the correct diameter that has both resettable and fixed odometer. Uses a square drive cable that I hope very well may work and the the document says it is calibrated for 1000 rpm at 60 mph.

I actually ordered the unit figuring I can return it if I don’t install it before getting the mechanical details as to calibration and fit of the drive cable. If those two match up I could be in business, and I have plenty of spare ITI units to carefully compare.

Anyone been down this road with success? I live the look of the VDO electronic but really need two odometers...

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Ncdan · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2018, 07:58:13 AM »

Yes! I had the cheesy ITI crap on my 07 CalVin which lasted a blistered 7000 miles. I never did find anything that would replace the unit and look factory. I did find an outfit that woukd rebuild the unit for 300 bucks and 50 dollar shipping, no way! I ended up getting a GPS bicycle odometer to keep up with the miles also with a reset mode. It works fine but it is rechargeable sonone must remember to start out wit it charged and it will last a full day of ridding. Good luck, keep us posted and send pictures of any replacement as the guy who bought the Calvin woukd want to know.

Kiwi_Roy · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2018, 08:36:31 AM »

Speedhut make nice meters, they can adapt it to look very Guzzi like, in fact thats what you do, tell them th font, colours and graphics.
If asked they will set the odometer to match your failed one.
The speedo can be either GPS or pulse based which I prefer.
https://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19038&page=3
Chamberlins post about 13 & 14 down show him setting the Speedhut order form.
A bit further down is the graphics;
One thing about the speed hut gauges, they don't really have a case that we are used to, its only 1 inch deep
Tell them its for a motorcycle and they will seal the glass
DON'T ask for buttons through the glass, the plug in reset button is far better.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2018, 10:43:04 AM »

When my ITI died, I was able to patch up the gear a couple of times. At around 90,000 miles, my patch job was too worn out. I put in a Speedhut with a custom Guzzi logo. It looks good and works well.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2018, 06:55:05 PM »

I rode Scud's V11 LeMans with Speedhut gauges, and they looked factory. Actually worked, too..

mjptexas · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2018, 07:05:55 PM »

Quote from: Wayne Orwig on August 05, 2018, 10:43:04 AM

When my ITI died, I was able to patch up the gear a couple of times. At around 90,000 miles, my patch job was too worn out. I put in a Speedhut with a custom Guzzi logo. It looks good and works well.

I replaced an ITI on a Ballabio with a SpeedHut. I used the GPS version. Worked great. Just need to have a place to mount the GPS antenna, which is a little square gizmo about an inch square and about a half inch thick.

Diploman · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2018, 07:09:46 PM »

:thumb:Speedhut GPS speedo. Accurate, no cable drive, simple to install.

rjamesohio · « **Reply #7 on:** August 06, 2018, 08:56:58 AM »

I have run down quite a bit of information and thought I'd share it here...

I'm sure the Speedhut units are fine as suggested by many. However - those GPS sensors are very expensive so if you want the simplicity of those they will work with either the Speedhut units OR the VDO that I'm now back to.

I cancelled the order for the inexpensive ($120) Autometer Mechanical Speedo after speaking with them; their 3 1/8 diameter units are NOT SEALED and therefore they do not recommend them for motorcycle use. This bit of info was not offered in the Guzzi Tech writeup FWIW. Plus - the concerns over calibration and the drive cable perhaps not fitting - it looked to be dicey all around. Kudos to Autometer for being straight up and they DO have a line of Motorcycle instruments but A) They are 3 3/8" only ad B) Three times the cost.

Again - I'm certain the Speedhut units work great. But all I've seen are pricey and when you throw in the cost of the GPS sender you're looking at a lot of money.

So - back to the classically simple VDO 437151. Black face, LOVE the look and don't care if it doesn't look like the original. The face IS sealed, but not the back; on the Stone the unit sits in the chrome canister so I'm pretty confident this is going to work with care in assembly and sealing precautions on the canister.

Further - I found out that you can toggle back and forth between re-settable odometer and permanent odometer. Another plus!

Finally - this instrument can be driven with either a Hall Effect sensor OR GPS sensor if you like the simplicity of the GPS install and don't mind paying $$$$$

VDO part #s for the two different senders are below:

GM Hall Effect sender: 340-011
GPS sender: 340-786

Thanks everyone who responded and hope this info rounds out the discussion at least for the V11 Stone installation...

Rocket

Diploman · « **Reply #8 on:** August 06, 2018, 09:06:24 AM »

Just to clarify: Speedhut GPS speedos do not include anything that could be described as a "GPS sender". Instead, each instrument is supplied with a slender antenna several meters long, with a small, square GPS receptor at the end. The antenna can be coiled or folded and the receptor attached to the bike with velcro or other fastening. Other than an electric lead for illumination, there are no other cable attachments to the speedo. The antenna is supplied as part of the instrument - no additional charge. Installation could not be simpler.

rjamesohio · « **Reply #9 on:** August 06, 2018, 09:12:41 AM »

Quote from: Diploman on August 06, 2018, 09:06:24 AM

Just to clarify: Speedhut GPS speedos do not include anything that could be described as a "GPS sender". Instead, each instrument is supplied with a slender antenna several meters long, with a small, square GPS receptor at the end. The antenna can be coiled or folded and the receptor attached to the bike with velcro or other fastening. Other than an electric lead for illumination, there are no other cable attachments to the speedo. The antenna is supplied as part of the instrument - no additional charge. Installation could not be simpler.

Thanks Diploman. From my research it looks like total cost of the VDO option - both the Speedo AND GM Hall effect senders - would be in the neighborhood of $230 for both pieces plus shipping. VDO’s Gps unit is over $220 alone so that would make the total package about $400 if you did the VDO Gps module. I did find third party GPS senders in the $40-50 range but can’t vouch for their quality.

How does the Speedhut unit stack up price wise?

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Diploman · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2018, 09:40:33 AM »

Speedhut's line of GPS speedos includes a variety of sizes and styles, from a simple 3" 3/8 speedo to a more elaborate 4" speedo with incorporated tach.

https://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR338-GPS-01/1/GPS-Speedometer-120mph

https://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-DUALGPS-ST-03T/1/Dual-Gauge---160mph-GPS-Speedometer---8K-Tachometer-(w--turn-signal-and-high-beam)

Old Jock · « **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2018, 11:01:43 AM »

Just a shot of the dash going into my Sfida 1100 (based on a Sporti) over the winter.

The standard gauges have the blue speedo I dislike & the warning lights are next to useless due to the Magni fairing and dim lights

The speedo is a standard unit, non GPS, with a speed pickup on the rear wheel

John Croucher · « **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2018, 11:32:41 AM »

I used the VDO. The chrome ring from the ITI will come off and fit the VDO. I went the fast, cheap route on the pulse/signal generator. I bought 4 round magnets from homedepot and a bicycle reed pick up at the bike shop. Mounted the 4 magnets equally spaced in the rear brake rotor with j.b. weld. Attached the bicycle pick up on the rear brake caliper mounting bracket with j.b. weld. Ran the wire through the bike and to the new gauge. Works perfect. 4 pulses per revolution. Drilled an extra hole on the inside-side of the chrome speedo cover for the wires to go through. Used one of the light wires to power the new electric speedo.

I used 2 coupling nuts and two longer screws to secure the chrome cup cover back to the new electric speedometer. https://www.mcmaster.com/#hex-coupling-nuts/=1e1fwl6

rjamesohio · « **Reply #13 on:** August 06, 2018, 02:09:44 PM »

Quote from: Diploman on August 06, 2018, 09:40:33 AM

Speedhut's line of GPS speedos includes a variety of sizes and styles, from a simple 3" 3/8 speedo to a more elaborate 4" speedo with incorporated tach.

https://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR338-GPS-01/1/GPS-Speedometer-120mph

https://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-DUALGPS-ST-03T/1/Dual-Gauge---160mph-GPS-Speedometer---8K-Tachometer-(w--turn-signal-and-high-beam)

Thanks. The Speedhut units look slick, the pricing is CLOSE to what the VDO solution would be and the videos sure make the GPS installation smooth. That said - The Stone dash hole is 3 1/8" and the smallest unit Speedhut makes is 3 3/8"?

The dual unit is nice as well. Maybe when I'm further along with my cafe project and make my own dash I'll use the Speedhut unit, but for now the VDO still looks attractive to me.

Zoom Zoom · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2018, 06:47:32 AM »

Ron, if you remove the rubber surround the 3 3/8 gauge fits right into the hole.

John Henry

rjamesohio · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2018, 09:44:02 AM »

Quote from: Zoom Zoom on August 07, 2018, 06:47:32 AM

Ron, if you remove the rubber surround the 3 3/8 gauge fits right into the hole.

John Henry

Thanks John. I’m wondering if that rubber provides some vibration protection. I mean I know Guzzis are smooth and all LOL.

Speaking of which - my new to me Stone has grown on me because of the smoothness of the hydro motor. The recall was done on this bike and it very much reminds me of the smoothness of my old Quota, which of course had the single throttle body.

NC Dan had a post quite a while ago saying he had some who could make metal gears for the ITI, but I haven’t heard back from Dan yet. I’m thinking that a new VDO will be my solution if the replacement gears don’t materialize. They can also be setup with GPS as well as Hall effect sensor.

Until then - my fuel light tells me when it’s time to look for gas! And my 1400 riding buddy has to stop at 130 miles anyway so hopefully we’ll be ok if this doesn’t get done before the rally next week ;)

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Kiwi_Roy · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2018, 10:26:55 AM »

Speedhut have a less expensive speedo (non-GPS), all it needs is a pulse input.
The pulses can be any different pulse/mile rate, all you do is calibrate it over a measured distance and it's done, I used a runners GPS to do mine.
I made a sensor from a reed switch and a magnet to fit on the gearbox where the cable came from.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2018, 10:29:32 AM »

If I remember right, it was a while ago, I slipped the Speedhut gauge right in, and put a large rubber o-ring above and below it to dampen it a bit.

gfritzmeier · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2018, 11:40:57 AM »

I replaced my speedo on my Aluminum with a Speedhut GPS and couldn't be happier with it. Easy installation and that was a must for me. The one I wanted and purchased 1st was Dakota Digital - HLY-3016 - 3 3/8in. 3016 Model Speedometer/Tachometer. Purchased it off Ebay as it had never been on a bike so it was new. Purchased the dash from Harpermoto and thought I was set but when I opened the speedo box and saw about 15+ wires hanging there I new this was beyond me. I took it to two shops that I use for electrical work and both of them said it would take at least 3+ hours to install and didn't want to have a speedometer that cost that much. Now if you have electrical ability I don't think you can beat this setup but as I said and so have others Speedhut is a very nice speedometer and it fits on bike.

https://www.harpermoto.com/images/thumbnails/0/1000/1050/498392new-1.jpg

bigbikerrick · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2018, 11:42:11 AM »

John Croucher, I have a question, Sir. You used 4 magnets on the rear brake disc to trigger the hall effect sensor on your speedometer. My question is why 4 and not just one? I thought you needed just one to count one revolution of the wheel? I am a little confused on the set up.
thanks.
Rick.

bigbikerrick · « **Reply #20 on:** August 07, 2018, 11:44:03 AM »

Has anyone been successful ,in replacing the tach and speedometer on a civilian loopframe with a speedhut or other modern unit?
thanks
Rick.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #21 on:** August 07, 2018, 12:59:50 PM »

Quote from: bigbikerrick on August 07, 2018, 11:42:11 AM

John Croucher, I have a question, Sir. You used 4 magnets on the rear brake disc to trigger the hall effect sensor on your speedometer. My question is why 4 and not just one? I thought you needed just one to count one revolution of the wheel? I am a little confused on the set up.
thanks.
Rick.

I think you use however many you want, then just calibrate for that amount.

mjptexas · « **Reply #22 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:30:37 PM »

Some additional information on the SpeedHut GPS.

Here's the specifications for the one I ordered for my Ballabio:

I think the price has gone up a bit. Key information is in the comments, as these are the changes related to motorcycle mounting.

Here is a picture of the gauge mounted on the Ballabio:

If I had kept the bike I would have replaced the tach with a matching gauge. You will notice a black object, partially obscured by the gauge, on the backside of the fairing, left of the gauge. This is the GPS antenna.

I also mounted the push button mode switch on the left handlebar, which lets you toggle through the display options.

Mounting was so easy that even I could do it, and I'm not an expert wrenched by any means.

dxhall · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2019, 12:03:51 PM »

I’ve dredged up this old thread because I am thinking about replacing the dead ITI speedometer on the CalVin with a Speedhut unit like the one described in this thread. That Speedhut unit is not waterproof. So - for those who have tried the Speedhut - does it die if it gets wet?

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2019, 12:17:09 PM »

Quote from: dxhall on November 18, 2019, 12:03:51 PM

I’ve dredged up this old thread because I am thinking about replacing the dead ITI speedometer on the CalVin with a Speedhut unit like the one described in this thread. That Speedhut unit is not waterproof. So - for those who have tried the Speedhut - does it die if it gets wet?

No, mine sat outside at work in the rain a lot of times. Plus a few washings. Just ask them to seal the front face, and it is good.

I believe they even replace/repair it, if it is water damaged. So you are good.

Tom H · « **Reply #25 on:** November 19, 2019, 12:28:13 PM »

When you order the gauge they will put a face on it with a logo of your choice. I know they have done the Guzzi eagle. Do they have the artwork for it or do you have to supply it?

Thanks,
Tom

Old Jock · « **Reply #26 on:** November 19, 2019, 01:40:48 PM »

Tom you supply it, or at least in my case with the Magni logo. It takes them a while, but I'd reckon if you asked them they'd be able to supply the Guzzi eagle as so many have done it

A kind member on here trimmed and generally tidied up the image and increased the detail for me as I don't posses PhotoShop

If SpeedHut say they don't have it on file then I'm sure somebody on here would be able to help you by sending you the image, got to surely be a few who still have the image on their computer

Tom H · « **Reply #27 on:** November 19, 2019, 03:00:13 PM »

Thank you!

Tom

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #28 on:** November 19, 2019, 05:38:02 PM »

Quote from: Tom H on November 19, 2019, 12:28:13 PM

When you order the gauge they will put a face on it with a logo of your choice. I know they have done the Guzzi eagle. Do they have the artwork for it or do you have to supply it?

When I went through this they do not have any stock images. At least not Guzzi. I believe for copyright reasons they only duplicate what you send them, and do not keep it on file.

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Author Topic: Replacing ITI speedo on Stone (Read 10338 times)