(NGC) 2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200

[larrys]

These were a handful back when with 45 HP and 360 pounds wet when used in the desert...Try riding one at speed in the dirt...
But as mentioned, most newer bikes of this type are ridden on the street..If you like it. buy it..
 

A real old timey desert sled. Now that's as rude and crude as it gets... Looks like a TR6C.
Larry

[Toecutter]

Triumph is running the new Scrambler in the Baja 1000.  Try that with your V7 and get back to us.

That has zero relevance to what I'm saying. So what? What does Baja worthiness have to do with the average rider? Are they racing the bike in stock, off-the-showroom-floor setup? I never once said this bike isn't well built, or anything of the sort... I'm saying that it, like so many BMW GSs out there, will be nothing more than knobby tired street bike that rarely sees even 50% of it's potential, either on OR off the pavement, in 98% of it's owners... just like the current Triumph Scrambler.


So I question the purpose, that's it, and mention that I see it as indicative of the North American penchant for bigger-better-bigger-better chest pounding.

You're right, not everybody wants a V7, never said they did. I tend to see bikes and trucks and equipment in a "does this do what I need it to?" way, not in a "What if someday I want to race the Baja" kind of way. If that makes me a "typical old man" then so be it.

[yogidozer]

But you forgot the best part. With every bike, you get a Steve McQueen T-shirt!

[rocker59]

That has zero relevance to what I'm saying. So what? What does Baja worthiness have to do with the average rider? Are they racing the bike in stock, off-the-showroom-floor setup? I never once said this bike isn't well built, or anything of the sort... I'm saying that it, like so many BMW GSs out there, will be nothing more than knobby tired street bike that rarely sees even 50% of it's potential, either on OR off the pavement, in 98% of it's owners... just like the current Triumph Scrambler.


So I question the purpose, that's it, and mention that I see it as indicative of the North American penchant for bigger-better-bigger-better chest pounding.

You're right, not everybody wants a V7, never said they did. I tend to see bikes and trucks and equipment in a "does this do what I need it to?" way, not in a "What if someday I want to race the Baja" kind of way. If that makes me a "typical old man" then so be it.

The Scrambler 1200 will be hot in the ADVtouring market.  People who ride rough and sometimes unpaved roads will enjoy the bike.  These pics are from a trip I took on my Guzzi Quota.  The 8-inches of suspension travel, and the 21-in front wheel were nice to have.

I've owned a BMW F650GSD, a Ducati E900 Elefant, and a Guzzi Quota 1100 ES.  All three were bought specifically for travelling to and on rough and sometimes unpaved roads.  And, that's what I'd buy a Guzzi V85TT or Triumph Scrambler 1200 to do:  Ride from The Ozarks to The Rockies, ride around in the back country, then ride back home.

This is a golden age for such bikes.  Finally we have some competent machines for ADVtouring / ADVriding which don't have a roundel on the tank.

[Toecutter]

But you forgot the best part. With every bike, you get a Steve McQueen T-shirt!

Well, damn. You should have said so before! This changes everything.

[ohiorider]

Big Arsed Scramblers ....... loved them then, love them now!





MY 650cc SPITFIRE SCRAMBLER, FEB 1966

Not big by today's standards, but about as big as scramblers got in the 1960s.  I was 22 years old when I bought this snarling Beezer Spitfire Scrambler.  And weighed all of 120 pounds (me, not the bike.)  So I suppose for Triumph to build a scrambler for 2019 with their 1200cc engine is nothing more than an extension of what they have always done.  Big engine, big bike.

I treated the BSA unmercifully, riding power line right of ways, hitting the bottom of the slope anywhere between 35 and 50mph, and climbing one of these West Virginia paths until the Dunlop Trials Universal couldn't maintain grip, and we'd come to a stop where I'd have to lay the bike over on her side, slide the front wheel toward the downhill side, and jump on and ride back to my starting point.  There was no gearing down or braking on these steep hills ..... just hang on and ride!

Equally nuts, I rode this bike from Charleston WV to Brownsville TX and home again, probably the best biking adventure I've had in my lifetime.

So yes, I get the scrambler thing.

Bob

[bad Chad]

Come on bro!  The v7 have been putting out 52hp for a couple years now.  That's a long way from 40.
Not saying the two bikes are a good comparison, just trying to keep some facts straight.

[JohninVT]

That has zero relevance to what I'm saying. So what? What does Baja worthiness have to do with the average rider? Are they racing the bike in stock, off-the-showroom-floor setup? I never once said this bike isn't well built, or anything of the sort... I'm saying that it, like so many BMW GSs out there, will be nothing more than knobby tired street bike that rarely sees even 50% of it's potential, either on OR off the pavement, in 98% of it's owners... just like the current Triumph Scrambler.


So I question the purpose, that's it, and mention that I see it as indicative of the North American penchant for bigger-better-bigger-better chest pounding.

You're right, not everybody wants a V7, never said they did. I tend to see bikes and trucks and equipment in a "does this do what I need it to?" way, not in a "What if someday I want to race the Baja" kind of way. If that makes me a "typical old man" then so be it.

I'm not a hipster but I really like traditional looking bikes with enhanced performance.  I'm not an MX racer or going to run in the Baja 1000 but I can find the limits of most bikes under 100hp without killing myself.  I don't care what other people think about the bike I ride, I only care what I think about the bike which is why I enjoy a Saturday afternoon puttering on a CT90 or TW200 just as much as a ZX11 or my 1400.  I wouldn't own a BMW GS(or any BMW unless it was a R80ST) because they bore me and I wouldn't own a KTM because I hate their maintenance schedules and the way they look. 

I agree that there are tens of thousands of Walter Mitty types out there riding KTM's and GSA's but there are also thousands who really do travel and ride the bikes to their potential.  Ducati has sold over 50,000 800cc Scramblers so there are a ton of people out there who want a bike like this.  I'm one of them.           

[Rough Edge racing]

 Before bikes became mostly porkers or purely for sport, to navigate a dirt road you simply turned off the pavement onto the dirt road with a street bike...They ranged from the many Brit 500-650 cc twins, to similar Japanese twins and even Sportsters...
 Now you need three bikes to replace the one   

[drw916]

I had a 2017 Triumph 900 Scrambler and loved it.  Except for the limited power.  It took some planning to pass on two lane roads at highway speeds.  Sold it this year and bought a Tiger 800.  Same basic weight, but enough horses to make the difference when needed.

Now I wished I had waited.  The 1200 Scrambler really checks most of the boxes for me.  My off road is gravel and fire roads.  No single track.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

This really is a great looking machine and fills all the squares in suspension looks and power..
Its what seems to be THE thing everyone has been looking for no?

The GS has finally got a good rival in performance and practical traveler.

I like it.

How many $$$

But, it has a 270 degree crank! 

[leafman60]

Good Lord...typical negative, old man Wildguzzi responses.

The XE version has fully adjustable Ohlins and Showa USD suspension with almost 10" of travel.  It has tubeless spoked wheels in sizes that make sense off road.  It has ABS and traction control that can be completely turned off.  It has a tank range of over 200 miles.  It has 90hp and 80ft/lbs of torque and a dry weight of 456lbs.  It's absolutely everything you could ask for in a bike that you use to travel long distances on rough gravel but don't want a fairing.

It is a perfect bike to jump on and set the cruise control for the 1400 mile ride to Caniapiscau and then ride the 400 mile Trans Taiga.  It's also perfect for exploring gravel service roads out West or any place else. 

I know it's shocking but not everyone wants to a ride a 40hp V7.  Triumph is running the new Scrambler in the Baja 1000.  Try that with your V7 and get back to us.         

LOL, DITTO

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[Rough Edge racing]

Big Arsed Scramblers ....... loved them then, love them now!





MY 650cc SPITFIRE SCRAMBLER, FEB 1966

Not big by today's standards, but about as big as scramblers got in the 1960s.  I was 22 years old when I bought this snarling Beezer Spitfire Scrambler.  And weighed all of 120 pounds (me, not the bike.)  So I suppose for Triumph to build a scrambler for 2019 with their 1200cc engine is nothing more than an extension of what they have always done.  Big engine, big bike.

I treated the BSA unmercifully, riding power line right of ways, hitting the bottom of the slope anywhere between 35 and 50mph, and climbing one of these West Virginia paths until the Dunlop Trials Universal couldn't maintain grip, and we'd come to a stop where I'd have to lay the bike over on her side, slide the front wheel toward the downhill side, and jump on and ride back to my starting point.  There was no gearing down or braking on these steep hills ..... just hang on and ride!

Equally nuts, I rode this bike from Charleston WV to Brownsville TX and home again, probably the best biking adventure I've had in my lifetime.

So yes, I get the scrambler thing.

Bob

 Good story....not much to bend/break on an old Brit bike if it fell over at low speed...Just a lot of kicking if it flooded...

[leafman60]

Ha!
Sadly yes, so not for me, but sure looks the business!

$$$?
Just curious how it stacks up to the beemer in price.

I will stick with the GS (BMW) if I ever decide to go adventuring again but an older one w/tellever front and single sided swinger.

No gadgets needed.

But as an enthusiast I applaud the triumph folks for coming to market with this machine.

:-)

The new 850 BMW GS also has a 270 degree crank and I love it.  The 270 gives it a lumpy cadence and low-end torque both akin to a 90 degree twin.

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[Shorty]

Time to replay this old link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAliBMah-0I     The new Scramblers would be even more fun....

[ohiorider]

Time to replay this old link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAliBMah-0I     The new Scramblers would be even more fun....

Loved the video!  Wish I could ride like that!

Bob

[Guzzistajohn]

Loved the video!  Wish I could ride like that!

Bob

On please,,,,,that’s some easy stuff. Rode trails today that make that look like a trip to the candy store  how many takes do you think they got???

[ohiorider]

On please,,,,,that’s some easy stuff. Rode trails today that make that look like a trip to the candy store  how many takes do you think they got???

Easy for you, maybe! 

Bob

[Rough Edge racing]

 What happens when a 450 plus pound scrambler falls over on a narrow path or when crossing a stream or even on a logging road? How many of you could pick it up by yourself on a slippery/loose surface if the bike is laying flat down? perhaps I'm the only rider who might have a low speed spill? 

[JohninVT]

What happens when a 450 plus pound scrambler falls over on a narrow path or when crossing a stream or even on a logging road? How many of you could pick it up by yourself on a slippery/loose surface if the bike is laying flat down? perhaps I'm the only rider who might have a low speed spill? 

I could.  The real question is how many people are going to ride single track with it?  That answer is damned few so picking it up in your scenario isn't as pertinent.  It's a scrambler, not a single track bike.  You don't pound in a nail with a screw driver.     

[Rough Edge racing]

I could.  The real question is how many people are going to ride single track with it?  That answer is damned few so picking it up in your scenario isn't as pertinent.  It's a scrambler, not a single track bike.  You don't pound in a nail with a screw driver.     

 I also said logging road....to say you'll never drop the bike on non paved roads is not being truthful, in my opinion...I have seen very experienced off road riders drop a dual sport bike during a slow speed turn on a crushed stone surface...

[kballowe]

I don't know about the suitability of this new bike for one application or another, but it's nice to have choices and it's nice to see that there are new and different motorcycle models.

 

[twowheeladdict]

it's not the suspension, or the brakes or anything else I question... it's the "why a 1200 "scrambler" ?" I ride gravel every day and if the V7 will get me down road faster than is sensible, and beyond the limit of law... well then?  I know the only answer here is "because it will sell", but I'm posing the question as more of a philosophical thing.

The same bike with a 600cc powerplant would cost almost as much and would not sell.  The components drive the cost, not the engine displacement.  The engine displacement justifies the price. 

[PeteS]

What happens when a 450 plus pound scrambler falls over on a narrow path or when crossing a stream or even on a logging road? How many of you could pick it up by yourself on a slippery/loose surface if the bike is laying flat down? perhaps I'm the only rider who might have a low speed spill? 

Not a big deal Rough. Those bikes carry their weight low. My KLR is well over 450 lbs loaded and its not a problem for this old guy. My 800 Tiger is a problem though. It carries its weight high so its a struggle for me to right.

Pete

[Rough Edge racing]

Not a big deal Rough. Those bikes carry their weight low. My KLR is well over 450 lbs loaded and its not a problem for this old guy. My 800 Tiger is a problem though. It carries its weight high so its a struggle for me to right.

Pete

  Pete, I'm a crappy off road rider...I have an 81 Honda 250 that weighs about 270 pounds...When I have a low speed fall over, it's a ways a mess with the bike falling to the down hill and get wedged into bushes ,or fall almost upside down in a muddy ditch... I suppose you all are better at this than me...

[PeteS]

No way Rough. I suck too off road. I just go real slow. So far its worked. I just know I can still lift a few bikes.

Pete

[Rough Edge racing]

 Pete, actually I never had to pick up a bike weighing over 385 lbs, and only several times, other than when the   dumb move on the 900 Monster, about 430 pounds with fuel, in a parking lot of loose stone..The bike fell over and was stopped by the bar end bumper...Fueled by embarrassment I picked up the bike instantly and rode away like it was just routine...

[JohninVT]

I also said logging road....to say you'll never drop the bike on non paved roads is not being truthful, in my opinion...I have seen very experienced off road riders drop a dual sport bike during a slow speed turn on a crushed stone surface...

I took my DL1000 on some trails it had absolutely no business being on.  Of the 25k I put on it I'll bet almost 10k was on gravel.  I dropped it exactly once and that was in a foot of snotty mud covering ledge on a Class 4 trail.  If I can lift a really top heavy 525lb bike while standing in a foot of mud I don't think this bike will be an issue for me.  I shouldn't have been on that trail in the first place but I really wanted to see where it came out. 

I think it comes down to common sense.  I'll ride a CT90 anywhere.  I can lift the whole thing up if I have to.  I can't lift an entire TW200 but with an ATV tire on the rear wheel you don't have to.  They're unstoppable.  I flopped my DRZ on it's side dozens of times but I'd never ride a "scrambler" in places I would the three bikes I just listed.  If you ride within a motorcycle's limits(and your own) there usually isn't any lifting involved.     

[TimmyTheHog]

an article from ADV rider...

https://advrider.com/breaking-triumph-officially-unwrap-the-two-new-bonneville-scramblers-1200-xc-and-xe/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=10_31_2018

(actually posting the article might help)

I am going to say oh my...that TFT dash is so pretty...I would think it might be even better than V85TT's...





man...so torn which one to get now...

[twowings]

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