Author Topic: Guzzi powered ultralight  (Read 1229 times)

Online John A

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 2707
  • No way to slow down...
  • Location: Hager city ,western WI
Guzzi powered ultralight
« on: December 10, 2018, 09:51:58 AM »
https://youtu.be/1UcraSie0jk
Video of a Guzzi powered ultralight , doesn't show the installation or any close ups so it's disappointing for that, I found another one  https://youtu.be/ydXARzHeqME
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 09:55:44 AM by John A »
John
MGNOC L-471

If you know something I really don't know, it will challenge something I presume

Offline Sasquatch Jim

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 9247
  • Sidecar - Best drive by shooting vehicle ever
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2018, 10:06:02 AM »
 Hell, it probably has more than twice the horsepower of an original Cub.
Sasquatch Jim        Humanoid, sort of.


Online John A

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 2707
  • No way to slow down...
  • Location: Hager city ,western WI
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2018, 12:25:33 PM »
on the second one there is a brief shot of a carb, maybe a PHM 40 or a PHF so yeah at least twice the power. the first one someone asked if it was a small block
John
MGNOC L-471

If you know something I really don't know, it will challenge something I presume

Online Lannis

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 24568
  • Location: Central Virginia
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2018, 02:22:10 PM »
Sure looked like some dodgy sporty flying to me, landing in between irrigation canals, taking off in between trees, is that normal for a little plane like this .... ?

Lannis
All dogs are therapy dogs.  Most of them are just freelancing.

Online John A

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 2707
  • No way to slow down...
  • Location: Hager city ,western WI
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2018, 05:02:36 PM »
well they don't like them around airports, especially with turbine powered aircraft so Id say yes, its normal
John
MGNOC L-471

If you know something I really don't know, it will challenge something I presume

Online ohiorider

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 7184
  • "You can't fight in here - this is the War Room."
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2018, 05:47:06 PM »
I think Cubs were powered by a Continental flat 4 that produced about 65hp.

Bob
Main ride:  2008 Guzzi 1200 Sport
Recent addition:  2012 Griso 8v SE (sold Sept '15)
Reliable standby: 1991 BMW R100GS
New Arrival: 2014 Honda CB1100

Online Chuck in Indiana

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 25739
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2018, 05:56:21 PM »
I think Cubs were powered by a Continental flat 4 that produced about 65hp.

Bob

That was the A-40 Continental.. 40 hp. The first cub (E2) was designed by C.G. Taylor (Taylorcraft) who was screwed out of his company by a money guy named Piper for chump change.. :evil: The rest is history.
Chuck in (Elwood) Indiana/sometimes SoCal

02 Scura RC
87 AeroLario
79 G5
95 Skorpion tour
 
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.' - Bertrand Russell

Offline Testarossa

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 2779
    • Skiing History
  • Location: Paonia, Colorado
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2018, 05:56:58 PM »
Looks like they were troubleshooting something -- an electrical connection? On the final flight they got 6000 rpm for climb at about 600 fpm (unless the instruments are metric). Engine certainly sounded smoother on that last flight.
70 Triumph TR6R, 74 850T, 74 Yamaha TA125, 83 XR350R, 89 Mille GT, 99 F650,
Gone: 59 Piper Comanche 250, 69 Harley/Aermacchi 350SS, 71 Honda CB500/4, 74 Laverda 750 SF2, 91 Suzuki VX800, 50cc two-stroke scoot

Offline guzzisteve

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 8406
  • "Just Ride It"
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2018, 06:15:33 PM »
There was a dealer from Chicago that retired to FL that built one, Frank W had a write-up in the newsletter about it.

If you want to make one here's a gear reduction unit---http://www.aerotech-poland.com/index.php?go=6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAFUnadDIuI

Been watching this builders videos, seen them a few years back too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb7xLeOJm2g
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 09:07:31 PM by guzzisteve »
"Pray through Carlo & your bike shall be healed"
Location: Planet Earth

Online n3303j

  • Ron Cichowski
  • Guzzi Mentor
  • ****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 450
  • Location: Eastern Massachusetts
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2018, 09:34:09 PM »



Meanwhile this is a BMW S1000RR powered experimental aircraft (ducted fan).
 

« Last Edit: December 11, 2018, 08:19:23 AM by n3303j »
'98 MG V11 EV
'96 URAL SPORTSMAN
'77 MG 850T3 FB

Online jas67

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 5125
  • Location: Palmyra, PA
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2018, 10:13:03 PM »
Wow, that's cool.   Any more info on that?




Meanwhile this is a BMW R1000RR powered experimental aircraft (ducted fan).
 


2017 V7III Special, 2013 V7 Racer
1977 Le Mans :grin: :grin:
1974 Eldorado  :grin:
2013 Ducati Monster 796, 2004 749, 1974 750GT, 1966 Monza 250
2007 Vespa GTS250ie
2016 BMW R1200RS, 1980/78 R100S, 1976 R90S ,1973 R75/5
2000 Kawasaki W650
1976 Honda CB400F, 1967 305 Super Hawk, 1968 CL175

Online oldbike54

  • Moderator
  • Guzzi Hero
  • *
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 24353
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2018, 10:25:41 PM »
 Well, that's one way of fixing the leaky bevel box problem .

 Dusty
Transmit the message , to the receiver
Hope for an answer someday

Online n3303j

  • Ron Cichowski
  • Guzzi Mentor
  • ****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 450
  • Location: Eastern Massachusetts
'98 MG V11 EV
'96 URAL SPORTSMAN
'77 MG 850T3 FB

Online Rusnak_322

  • Guzzi Mentor
  • ****
  • *
  • Posts: 349
  • Location: Cleveland, Ohio AREA
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2018, 10:17:07 AM »
is it possible to call anything with a Moto Guzzi motor an ultralight? Seems like an oxymoron. 
1975 Moto Guzzi 850T - café racer in progress
2007 Ducati Monster S4Rs

Offline guzzisteve

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 8406
  • "Just Ride It"
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2018, 11:02:59 AM »
I seen one last night had a turbo V11 Sport motor, another had a Norge 2V motor.
"Pray through Carlo & your bike shall be healed"
Location: Planet Earth

Online Lannis

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 24568
  • Location: Central Virginia
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2018, 11:13:04 AM »
is it possible to call anything with a Moto Guzzi motor an ultralight? Seems like an oxymoron.

I'm the same way.  I always thought of "ultralights" as those kites with a lawn chair underneath and a chainsaw motor on the back ... Something with a Guzzi engine, what looks like a cabin, and 3-axis control is bound to be something else, like whatever you call those lightened Cubs that can take off in 10 feet into the wind and "hover" to a landing ....

Lannis
All dogs are therapy dogs.  Most of them are just freelancing.

Online twowheeladdict

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1951
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2018, 11:57:02 AM »
In 1996 I worked with the Hunter UAV which had two Moto Guzzi engines.  One fore and on aft connected to propellers. 

I have no idea how or why those engines were chosen since the UAV was a partnership between an Israeli and American companies.
2018 V7 III Carbon Dark #0009 of 1921
2018 Road Glide Special
2019 Royal Enfield Himalayan
1975 KT250 Trials

Online Tusayan

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 968
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2018, 12:51:23 PM »
In 1996 I worked with the Hunter UAV which had two Moto Guzzi engines.  One fore and on aft connected to propellers. 

I have no idea how or why those engines were chosen since the UAV was a partnership between an Israeli and American companies.

The development was originally Israeli until TRW became the agent for sale to the US Army.  Italy is close to Israel.  Eventually the Guzzi engines were replaced by Thielert Diesel engines, which are German manufactured.

The word ultralight is used differently in various countries as the certification regulations are national, not based on international criteria.  As time has gone on, the term has in many countries been expanded to include ever larger planes.  In the US, Ultralight still means unregulated aircraft under 254 lbs.  Larger aircraft in the US are regulated by FAA and called Light Sport and/or Experimental Amateur Built etc
« Last Edit: December 11, 2018, 02:28:36 PM by Tusayan »

Online gliderjohn

  • 2017 Board Donor
  • Guzzi Hero
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 5062
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2018, 02:08:10 PM »
In the USA it would be under the light sport aircraft which are 1,350 pounds or less if I recall correctly.
GliderJohn
John Peters
Walton, KS

Online Tusayan

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 968
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2018, 02:27:26 PM »
In the USA it would be under the light sport aircraft which are 1,350 pounds or less if I recall correctly.
GliderJohn

Yes, 1320 lb gross weight versus 254 lb empty weight for US ultralight.

Online ohiorider

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 7184
  • "You can't fight in here - this is the War Room."
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2018, 11:09:56 PM »
That was the A-40 Continental.. 40 hp. The first cub (E2) was designed by C.G. Taylor (Taylorcraft) who was screwed out of his company by a money guy named Piper for chump change.. :evil: The rest is history.
Chuck, did any of the early Cubs have a larger engine? 

Bob
Main ride:  2008 Guzzi 1200 Sport
Recent addition:  2012 Griso 8v SE (sold Sept '15)
Reliable standby: 1991 BMW R100GS
New Arrival: 2014 Honda CB1100

Online Tusayan

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 968
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2018, 11:18:43 PM »
The A-65 Continental came out in 1937/38 and became the baseline for Cubs. 

Online Chuck in Indiana

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 25739
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2018, 06:40:48 AM »
Here's a summation of Taylor's designs with various powerplants..
http://www.aerofiles.com/_taylor.html
Chuck in (Elwood) Indiana/sometimes SoCal

02 Scura RC
87 AeroLario
79 G5
95 Skorpion tour
 
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.' - Bertrand Russell

Online Two Checks

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 5470
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2018, 02:26:24 PM »
Stark Aerospace a division of Israeli Aerospace performs the maintenance on the Hunters these days in Columbus, MS.
1990 Cal III f/f  "Il Duce' III"
1987 1000 SPII "Il Duce' II"

Online ohiorider

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 7184
  • "You can't fight in here - this is the War Room."
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2018, 07:09:08 AM »
Thanks, guys, for the Cub's hp clarification. 

Bob
Main ride:  2008 Guzzi 1200 Sport
Recent addition:  2012 Griso 8v SE (sold Sept '15)
Reliable standby: 1991 BMW R100GS
New Arrival: 2014 Honda CB1100

Online oldbike54

  • Moderator
  • Guzzi Hero
  • *
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 24353
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2018, 09:19:29 AM »
 So Iron Man is involved with this , cool .

 Dusty
Transmit the message , to the receiver
Hope for an answer someday

Online Chuck in Indiana

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 25739
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2018, 06:55:36 PM »
In 1996 I worked with the Hunter UAV which had two Moto Guzzi engines.  One fore and on aft connected to propellers. 

I have no idea how or why those engines were chosen since the UAV was a partnership between an Israeli and American companies.

I've heard of those..  :grin: :boozing:
Chuck in (Elwood) Indiana/sometimes SoCal

02 Scura RC
87 AeroLario
79 G5
95 Skorpion tour
 
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.' - Bertrand Russell

Online John A

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 2707
  • No way to slow down...
  • Location: Hager city ,western WI
Re: Guzzi powered ultralight
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2018, 08:39:57 PM »
I've heard of those..  :grin: :boozing:



Some guy put one in a Guzzi, I thought it was an urban legend but I saw it at one of the rallies. I forgot to ask him if it would pull redline in fifth. :grin: :wink: he did do it justice, very nice
« Last Edit: December 14, 2018, 08:18:29 AM by John A »
John
MGNOC L-471

If you know something I really don't know, it will challenge something I presume

 


Advertise your products today. All proceeds go back into this website.
Your ad will show up over 10,000 times daily!
Advertise Here