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Value of Converts
« on: December 11, 2018, 08:04:49 PM »
I have had a 1978 Convert since 1987.  Replaced tires, ATF cooler, brake pads and normal maintenance.  Great fun but I wonder why it seems to be worth a fair amount  less than the G5.  I do not see many for sale anymore but when I did, they seemed to sell for 2000-2500.  I bought mine for less than that. 

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2018, 10:22:00 PM »
You first have to be converted and most riders have never been on a Convert to acquire the desire.

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2018, 10:40:17 PM »
Unless you have ridden one, it's hard to appreciate them. I often wonder why MG hasn't added one to their line.

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2018, 11:39:00 PM »
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You first have to be converted and most riders have never been on a Convert to acquire the desire.
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2018, 06:32:56 AM »
I've ridden a couple of them. I have a G5.. :whip2:  :smiley:
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2018, 06:43:44 AM »
Chuck Peterson are you there.
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2018, 07:04:24 AM »
Converts are on the fringe of a fringe brand. Not many folks understand or want too.

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2018, 07:15:43 AM »
Chuck Peterson are you there.
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2018, 07:31:05 AM »
Unless you have ridden one, it's hard to appreciate them. I often wonder why MG hasn't added one to their line.
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2018, 08:31:30 AM »
Back in the day when they came out several were around where I live. Over the first few years there were some issues with the torque converters cracking around the center of the drive hub. If I remember right this required a pretty expensive repair for the time. Some chose to "unconvert" the bike as the G5 five speed was much cheaper and easier to install. This kind of stuck and some were put off the bikes as having a rep for being problematic. Personally I think this was over blown and the bikes didn't deserve the bad rap. Again if memory servers I believe that there was an upgrade to deal with the issue on later bikes. Anyway it kept them from becoming more popular with the Guzzi crowd than they did. That and also the fact that automatic transmission bikes in general were just never embraced by the American bike market. Honda had an automatic model as well and it didn't go over to well either. As for present time I think they are a neat vintage Guzzi bargain if you are looking for something unique and functional. The G5/Convert engines are some of the most rock solid reliable motors Guzzi ever produced.     

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2018, 08:32:43 AM »
My very first Guzzi was a '76 Convert with a California sidecar, that I bought from an old guy's estate. I really liked it, solo and with the chair. I ended up selling it to an old guy, and spent the money on a new '83 SP. It was the end of my interest in British bikes, and the beginning of my interest in Italian machinery.
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2018, 08:39:56 AM »
When I bought a leaking from every seal convert I had no idea it would turn into 150k...rear main seals, diode boards, scorched crank from blown oil lines, rebuilt starters, staters, rotors, fork dampers, rear shocks, leaking oil rings, frozen rusted exhausts, broken taps in cranks, 15-20 tires, overflowing "got to save that" parts, mystery electrical gremlins w Italian names, wandering the Nova Scotia Penisula, vt, ct, ma, ny, Maine, penn, va, Ohio, North Carolina and just a big effing pain the ass cuz it wouldn't stop going places...

Worthless I tell ya...and I wouldn't change a thing....thats why I'm on a Nevada now...... :popcorn:
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2018, 08:49:14 AM »
Back in the day when they came out several were around where I live. Over the first few years there were some issues with the torque converters cracking around the center of the drive hub.     Actually it was a thin stamped flywheel that got replaced with a heavy version.



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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2018, 09:01:05 AM »
Back in the day when they came out several were around where I live. Over the first few years there were some issues with the torque converters cracking around the center of the drive hub. If I remember right this required a pretty expensive repair for the time.

Like Brad says - there wasn't any issue with the torque converter itself - the original stamped steel "bowl" flywheel cracked around the center. Solved when the heavier machined flywheel was introduced. 

The earliest pump drive is another issue: the "socket" in the pump that the hex piece fits into is only 8 mm deep on early ones and 11 mm deep on later ones. The late one with a properly fitting hex piece is a big step towards solving that issue. A 6 mm hex piece, as is original, fits loosely in the cam and pump - I had a custom oversized hex piece made - 6.2 mm. Improper heat-treating of some parts doesn't help here.

Then there's the "never shift on the fly" vs. "I've always shifted on the fly" argument. After seeing rounded off shift dogs in several low mileage transmissions, I'm an adherent of "never shift on the fly".

I sold my 3rd Convert, a fully sorted '76, for $3500 in 2009. I probably have about the same in current (4th) one, worth every penny to me. 
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2018, 09:11:54 AM »
You first have to be converted and most riders have never been on a Convert to acquire the desire.



I have this same exact bike...even have a fairing like that in the back room...the bike will be on the market soon  :grin:

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2018, 02:50:39 PM »
the bike will be on the market soon  :grin:

How soon?
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2018, 03:54:26 PM »
I remember hearing about the troubles. I wouldn't mind trying a sorted one.

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2018, 04:39:48 PM »






The "King Of The Converts" if there is such a thing!  :wink:  The 1984 California II Automatic.
   I absolutely love this beast, it has been very trouble free for 42K miles, and a true joy to ride!
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2018, 09:34:09 PM »








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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2018, 08:07:52 AM »
 I rode Tom B's, it was kind of shiftless.
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2018, 08:25:46 AM »
I always thought they would make a nice sidecar rig..  Good power, easy to ride..   
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2018, 08:48:29 AM »
I always thought they would make a nice sidecar rig..  Good power, easy to ride..

Agreed...I've owned a lot of sidecar rigs...this Convert was/is my favorite...

 

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2018, 11:36:12 AM »
nice rig!  Ive been a sidecar fan for many years... Havent owned one yet, but ridden a few.
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2018, 11:55:39 AM »
Definitely an acquired taste, definitely a cult bike within kind of a cult brand, as has been mentioned. I'm into those kind of things. I, too am saddened that the prices for such a rare bird are so low. People put too much emphasis on the "shifting" experience as a benefit of riding a motorcycle. Off-road, road-racing yes; slow mile-eater, meh.

Bought my first from a MG Club rep when I was looking for an Eldo...thought it was weird and kept wondering if/when I should shift, but I soon fell in love!

The fortunate ones have had no auto-related driveline troubles, but I've lived thru them all....and continue to love the bike. People who do not wrench themselves should not consider one, because GOOD LUCK finding any person who's not a member of this board who know how to troubleshoot the unique driveline.

BEST version is the Cal II Auto like Rick's and mine (his looks much nicer than mine). Longest Tonti wheelbase, you can almost fall asleep for lack of any effort to drive the thing.

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2018, 12:00:55 PM »
Definitely an acquired taste, definitely a cult bike within kind of a cult brand, as has been mentioned. I'm into those kind of things. I, too am saddened that the prices for such a rare bird are so low. People put too much emphasis on the "shifting" experience as a benefit of riding a motorcycle. Off-road, road-racing yes; slow mile-eater, meh.

Bought my first from a MG Club rep when I was looking for an Eldo...thought it was weird and kept wondering if/when I should shift, but I soon fell in love!

The fortunate ones have had no auto-related driveline troubles, but I've lived thru them all....and continue to love the bike. People who do not wrench themselves should not consider one, because GOOD LUCK finding any person who's not a member of this board who know how to troubleshoot the unique driveline.

BEST version is the Cal II Auto like Rick's and mine (his looks much nicer than mine). Longest Tonti wheelbase, you can almost fall asleep for lack of any effort to drive the thing.

"Best" relates to how the bike is used. I've ridden a fair number of both early Converts and Cal IIs (Auto and 5 spd.). Any Cal II is an unhappy pig when trying to hustle on the backroads I ride, but great out on the highway. The earlier 'Verts are much more agile and are still great out on the highway.
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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2018, 12:23:02 PM »
I rode Tom B's, it was kind of shiftless.
Tom, or the bike?  :rolleyes:

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2018, 12:52:19 PM »
Some years ago I had the pleasure of riding Chuck Peterson's convert in the beautiful White mountains, New Hampshire.
It had a windjammer fairing, DB bags, some aftermarket suspension work and Bub mufflers.
You couldn't ask for a better ride than that, for that type of riding.
Smooth engine, smooth ride, great sound!
Add to the pluses, no computer, no FI. Any parts that might give you trouble will easily fit in a coffee can size compartment.
My opinion, MG is making a mistake in not producing one now. It's a realistic type all around bike.




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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2018, 02:46:09 PM »
"Best" relates to how the bike is used. I've ridden a fair number of both early Converts and Cal IIs (Auto and 5 spd.). Any Cal II is an unhappy pig when trying to hustle on the backroads I ride, but great out on the highway. The earlier 'Verts are much more agile and are still great out on the highway.

Should have clarified: "Best" meant newer, longer swingarm, any benefit the "square" cylinders might bring, and a more functional front fender. There may be other obscure updates to the later Tontis that I am forgetting. And yes, my opinion.

I've heard other people say how slow the Cal IIs handle, but I would disagree emphatically. Yes, the wheelbase is longer, and the steering angle might be different, and it might be heavier, but no way would I call it an unhappy pig. I can flick that rascal around in a tight parking lot with both feet on the boards like a moped (which it is). I've read a similar discussion about the LM IVs 16 vs 18-in front wheel.

But, this post is about the weak value of the Convert. Convert or Cal II, they just don't get much respect.

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Re: Value of Converts
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2018, 04:22:21 PM »
It's selfish but I hope the value of Converts stay low until next summer.  I want a really nice G5 or Convert in the worst way.  A Convert would make no sense for me since I have a perfectly good Guzzi in the garage but for some strange reason I want to try one for a summer or two. 

 


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