Wildguzzi.com
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: aschem on April 11, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
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Saw this on Cycletrader.com: http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Kustom-Workz-3015270/listing/2016-Moto-Guzzi-V7II-Stornello-117819755
Do you think that it will depreciate like most of the newer V7 bikes, or will it retain a higher dollar value?
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Saw this on Cycletrader.com: http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Kustom-Workz-3015270/listing/2016-Moto-Guzzi-V7II-Stornello-117819755
Do you think that it will depreciate like most of the newer V7 bikes, or will it retain a higher dollar value?
Bet it depreciate just like the others .
Dusty
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Thanks, I have a difficult time gauging the long-term value of "limited-edition" bikes.
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All you have to do is look at the limited edition prices on used Guzzis. Condition means more than rarity. Take for example a Rosso Mandelo limited edition. It really won't bring a premium over another V11S.
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Thanks, I have a difficult time gauging the long-term value of "limited-edition" bikes.
Buy it, don't ride it. Keep it in a collection for 20 years. Then maybe it will still be worth 75%-100% of what you paid. Not a very good return on your "investment". Would've been better off putting the $11k into something else.
If ridden the V7 Stornello will be no different from a V7 Racer or Special as far as "resale value", if that's what you mean by "value".
To me, the value of a motorcycle is in the enjoyment it brings, and utility it provides. Not in how much it costs me over time...
"Every Guzzi is a Limited Edition"
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"Every Guzzi is a Limited Edition"
Ditto
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Real Meaning: we would love to sell 1000 of these things. Probably only sell 237, but we'd love to sell 1000.
Sounds like I get #14. Probably ruin the collector's value the first time I run up Pole Hill Road.
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Real Meaning: we would love to sell 1000 of these things. Probably only sell 237, but we'd love to sell 1000.
Sounds like I get #14. Probably ruin the collector's value the first time I run up Pole Hill Road.
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Real Meaning: we would love to sell 1000 of these things. Probably only sell 237, but we'd love to sell 1000.
Implied codicil: If we do sell 1000, we'll offer another batch! (They've done it before, IIRC.)
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Sweet bike
Buy it to enjoy not as an investment.
But I have noticed that the BMW RnineT is holding it's value; not appreciating but not depreciating by much
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I like it. Many have been asking for a factory "scrambler" from Guzzi. Well, here it is.
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I know that dealer. He's about 7 miles from my house. He's just about giving away all non current inventory.
He also brought an entire demo fleet to last years WNY Guzzi rally and will be doing so again this year.
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First thing I noticed when I opened that link was that the inscribed number on the head stock appears to be painted, not laser cut as advertised on the Guzzi site. Mine will be arriving at the dealer this week. I bought it because it fits my riding style and I love the look. The limited edition status gives tons of upgrades over the standard Guzzi V7 II for only $200 more. Yes, it will depreciate. Even a MV Augusta will depreciate. A V7 Sport will appreciate...but keep in mind, you could buy a mint V7 Sport in 1990 with 4000 miles for $4000. I know, I bought two. If you buy a new bike expecting it to appreciate, you need to wait a long time. Why not just ride it?
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Implied codicil: If we do sell 1000, we'll offer another batch! (They've done it before, IIRC.)
They maybe sold 1000 racers, or only made even numbers so maybe 500? :wink:
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They maybe sold 1000 racers, or only made even numbers so maybe 500? :wink:
IIRC, I saw pics of #341 on this forum, so, not even numbers only.
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What's the deal with the Stornello and the Scrambler??
I saw a paper catalog today that showed the Scrambler as an already-set-up machine for $8900. The Stornello was significantly more. Yet, they looked very much the same.
The USA website shows the Scrambler as a kit you can buy to convert a standard model, at least as best as I can decipher it.
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What's the deal with the Stornello and the Scrambler??
I saw a paper catalog today that showed the Scrambler as an already-set-up machine for $8900. The Stornello was significantly more. Yet, they looked very much the same.
The USA website shows the Scrambler as a kit you can buy to convert a standard model, at least as best as I can decipher it.
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Scrambler is a V7 Special with a few of the Scrambler accessories added by your friendly dealer. Basically the exhaust and aluminum number plates. $10,990 MSRP in The USA.
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/v7-ii-scrambler.html
Stornello is a stand alone model from the factory that is basically the V7 Special with more of the Scrambler accessories including the aluminum fenders, special paint, and a red frame. $11,190 MSRP in The USA.
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/v7-ii-stornello.html
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Scrambler is a V7 Special with a few of the Scrambler accessories added by your friendly dealer. Basically the exhaust and aluminum number plates. $10,990 MSRP in The USA.
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/v7-ii-scrambler.html
Stornello is a stand alone model from the factory that is basically the V7 Special with more of the Scrambler accessories including the aluminum fenders, special paint, and a red frame. $11,190 MSRP in The USA.
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/v7-ii-stornello.html
Yes, that is what I thought. Yesterday, I was shown a Guzzi flyer that seemed to indicate otherwise. Thanks.
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Woo hoo!
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Europsports was at the Norton Gathering yesterday showing the Stornello and Triumph Street Twin.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1461/26493927645_f78262c4b6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GnbiDX)IMG_8976 (https://flic.kr/p/GnbiDX) by jay_snyder67 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/97354518@N02/), on Flickr
I didn't get a picture of the exhaust side of the bike with the other bike, and then people in the way. While the high-pipe scrambler thing isn't my thing, it definitely looks good. The red frame with white tank looks very good, though, I think it would look even better with some black accents in the graphics on the tank
These should sell well to the bearded/skinny-jean/flannel crowd.
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Scrambler is a V7 Special with a few of the Scrambler accessories added by your friendly dealer. Basically the exhaust and aluminum number plates. $10,990 MSRP in The USA.
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/v7-ii-scrambler.html
Is the Special still available? http://www.motoguzzi-us.com (http://www.motoguzzi-us.com) only lists V7 Stone, V7 Scrambler, V7 Stornello, and V7 Racer.
The Stone needs some gloss paint options.
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It does look really nice! I saw it at the motorcycle show in Hamburg and I was impressed. Some nice parts on it. But.....
.....knowing the V9 engine is out there and having to go with the "old" engine would spoil it a bit for me. I know, the V7 is a good bike, but the feedback on the V9 engine seems really good so far!
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It does look really nice! I saw it at the motorcycle show in Hamburg and I was impressed. Some nice parts on it. But.....
.....knowing the V9 engine is out there and having to go with the "old" engine would spoil it a bit for me. I know, the V7 is a good bike, but the feedback on the V9 engine seems really good so far!
Feedback on the 1200 is even better. Why not go with a Griso and get a "real bike" ? :evil:
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Feedback on the 1200 is even better. Why not go with a Griso and get a "real bike" ? :evil:
I have a Stelvio. That's what Griso riders get when they grow up! :grin: :evil:
But if I ever get a small block (and I'm tempted!), it would have to have that v9 engine in there!
I'll just go and hide now ...
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I have a Stelvio. That's what Griso riders get when they grow up! :grin: :evil:
That's because we need the sidecase room to carry our CPAP machines.
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if I ever get a small block (and I'm tempted!), it would have to have that v9 engine in there!
Yeah. Understood. I was just joking around...
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Yeah. Understood. I was just joking around...
Oh, I know that :-). I just shamelessly grabbed the opportunity to tell everyone that I'm a real man with a Stelvio.
Hiding again...
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Personally, I don't even really get nor like Scrambler versions of bikes in general but that Stornello is right sharp I'd say.
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It does look really nice! I saw it at the motorcycle show in Hamburg and I was impressed. Some nice parts on it. But.....
.....knowing the V9 engine is out there and having to go with the "old" engine would spoil it a bit for me. I know, the V7 is a good bike, but the feedback on the V9 engine seems really good so far!
I was having V9 engine envy, but, I rode my V7 Special 285 miles and had so much fun that I forgot that it is a 50 HP weakling. :bike-037:
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I think it looks pretty good and that type of bike is generally not my thing.
Like Jay I put a lot of miles on my V7 over the weekend.
I think I realized that for something in the neighborhood of 600 miles in a weekend I need either a bigger windshield or a full face helmet.... At least more than I need a V9 or the like.
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Something did just occur to me, however, anyone here actually have some miles on a scrambler type bike? Even with heat shields wouldn't that exhaust eventually get a little warm being so close to your leg?
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When I sat on one I thought the sheild would bug me, but then I put some miles on a demo and never noticed it. I was having too much fun. Temps were in the 60's.
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Thanks for the word, Matteo. Seems like there are a number of Triumph Scrambler owners who mumble about theirs but many more who say it's no issue at all, especially with an Arrow setup. And too, I guess when I look at pictures of both bikes it seems like the Guzzi system is certainly lower and also maybe a little more tucked away
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Also, I'd seen a number of photos such as this (that was at EICMA, I believe) where the V7 is featured with a solo seat; however, I don't see it as an option under any of the Stornello accessories.
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WooHoo! Thanks, Moto Italia.
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WooHoo! Thanks, Moto Italia.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/big_tex_2002/Stornello/home_zpskucpkpel.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/big_tex_2002/media/Stornello/home_zpskucpkpel.jpg.html)
CONTRATS on the new ride, enjoy! :bike-037:
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I like the Stornello.
I'll be glad when Guzzi puts the V9 motor in all the small block bikes.
The valve covers of the V9 look better too.
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WooHoo! Thanks, Moto Italia.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/big_tex_2002/Stornello/home_zpskucpkpel.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/big_tex_2002/media/Stornello/home_zpskucpkpel.jpg.html)
What, you only got one picture???? Come on, let's see some others.
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WooHoo! Thanks, Moto Italia.
That IS a good looking motorcycle! Congratulations. :thumb:
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WooHoo! Thanks, Moto Italia.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/big_tex_2002/Stornello/home_zpskucpkpel.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/big_tex_2002/media/Stornello/home_zpskucpkpel.jpg.html)
NICE!!!
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Traffic was tough...
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NICE. Red frame and aluminum fenders look fiiiiiiiiine :thumb:
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Nice to see a scrambler actually scramblin'! :thumb: Where's the Ducati? Back on the road, you said? :grin:
Gorgeous. And as I said earlier, I don't even tend to like scrambler style bikes in general. Bet that Arrow sounds nice.
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Saw this on Cycletrader.com: http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Kustom-Workz-3015270/listing/2016-Moto-Guzzi-V7II-Stornello-117819755
Do you think that it will depreciate like most of the newer V7 bikes, or will it retain a higher dollar value?
I thought that there was a reasonable chance that Moto Guzzi would offer a more powerful engine for 2016. I purchased a v7 II anyway, but I'm not holding my breath on depreciation, and I have a lot of trouble seeing the value in the kits.
That said, I also have trouble seeing the value in the Ducati Scrambler kits.
In both cases, it isn't obvious to me that you'll get more than about 20 cents on the dollar on resale.
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Rained all weekend, so it was time to make it mine. OEM rear rack and Pelican case.
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Fog lights.
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Fog light and garage door opener switches.
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Proper analog clock. :laugh:
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Battery charger/heated gear plug.
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Fog lights.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/big_tex_2002/Stornello/Farkles%206_zps5imi9j8c.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/big_tex_2002/media/Stornello/Farkles%206_zps5imi9j8c.jpg.html)
Fog light and garage door opener switches.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/big_tex_2002/Stornello/Farkles%203_zpsnwvhralu.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/big_tex_2002/media/Stornello/Farkles%203_zpsnwvhralu.jpg.html)
What lights are those? Did the mounting bracket that came with the lights just happen to work on the fender mount?
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MondoMotos MM10 with Amber lenses.
No, they just come with a simple bracket. I made the bracket that attaches to the fender mount. Not simple - very little room, recessed upper hole, etc. Took 4 tries before I could make it work. But I greatly prefer this location.
Was much easier on the Racer.
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I should also mention what did not work. Mike, I think I saw in your thread mentioning trying to raise the bars.
I installed 2" Rox Risers to lift up the bars. The clutch and the wiring would work with some heavy rerouting, but the brake line was too short. Nothing to be done there other than replace the line, and I didn't want to get in to that with a brand new bike with ABS. Poo.