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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tom on August 18, 2016, 03:56:12 PM
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/08/15/mlb-broken-bats-fan-safety-maple-bats/88733714/
Probably time for one.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/08/15/mlb-broken-bats-fan-safety-maple-bats/88733714/
Probably time for one.
They say that the newer, more fragile bats, that are subject to shattering, are that way because they are easier to swing and control, to the batter's advantage.
Maybe it's time for MLB to just decide that a standardized bat has to be used .... in the old days, bats didn't used to shatter and injure people. Just go back to using those kind of bats. If it tilts the advantage to the pitching for a while, well, that's for EVERYONE ....
Lannis
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Is that why the aluminum bats came into being? I never followed baseball. The NCAA went with them. Must have been for the safety factor.
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Nothing sounds more lame than the *twink* of an aluminum bat of a hardball.
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Some aluminium bats are a danger to pitchers due to the ball rocketing off the bat at a high velocity. They have found a way to prevent metal bats from doing it, but they have to police it.
Not sure how threads like this end up on a Guzzi forum anyway. :blank:
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Is that why the aluminum bats came into being? I never followed baseball. The NCAA went with them. Must have been for the safety factor.
Cost and the dearth of Ash .
Nothing sounds more lame than the *twink* of an aluminum bat of a hardball.
And with a mighty TINK of the bat , Oscario McPherson wins the 7th game of the 2066 World Series for the Belfast 55'ers . Yeah , somehow that just sounds wrong :huh:
Dusty
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Some aluminium bats are a danger to pitchers due to the ball rocketing off the bat at a high velocity. They have found a way to prevent metal bats from doing it, but they have to police it.
Not sure how threads like this end up on a Guzzi forum anyway. :blank:
Camp fire talk .
Dusty
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Cost and the dearth of Ash .
And with a mighty TINK of the bat , Oscario McPherson wins the 7th game of the 2066 World Series for the Belfast 55'ers . Yeah , somehow that just sounds wrong :huh:
Dusty
Emerald Ash Borer (http://www.emeraldashborer.info/documents/MultiState_EABpos.pdf) is putting the hurt on that tree. Barry Bonds used a maple bat (which is harder) and that soon became very popular. Maple bats have fewer minor failures (the bat cracks, stays intact) but more catastrophic failures (bat shatters, pieces fly off).
Exit velocity off the bat is overall higher with aluminum and maple bats versus ash. The other type of baseball injury that I've witnessed is a batted ball hitting the pitcher in the face. Saw Bryce Florie have the right side of his face shattered on Sept 8, 2000 at Fenway. Either exit velocities are going to go down, the distance from the mound to the plate increases, or pitchers will need some sort of face protection imho. Reaction times aren't decreasing as strength is increasing.
Aluminum bats are just wrong.
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I always have a wooden bat, ball and glove in all my 4 wheel vehicles. Based on advice from my lawyer.
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Little know fact, I helped invent the first aluminum baseball bats. I had a machine shop in Southern Indiana which was located a couple of miles from the Louisville Slugger factory (Clarksville, Indiana not Louisville). The developers from H & B came to my shop with samples of aluminum tube and an idea. We made some steel tooling that had bow shaped pockets on one side and could be mounted onto the tail stock of a lathe. We put the tubing in a 3 jaw chuck. We then used various rpms and feed rates to roll the end of the tube closed. We did this hundreds of times. The end product was ugly. wrinkled, rough, scuffed and a hole in the end. We ended up machining the end and placing a rubber cap in the end that would come out and give you a black eye.
Later development was changed to hydro forming and deep drawing so the end was closed.
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Go back to hickory bats.
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Not sure how threads like this end up on a Guzzi forum anyway. :blank:
You must have missed the NGC part. :grin: A lot of guys here are baseball fans and follow the game. :tongue:
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I hate it when my bat shatters just because some wise ass filled the mailbox with concrete.
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80% of MLB bats are made from Ash. But the Emerald Ash bore is decimating Ash trees, and according to projections, within a few short years there will not be enough Ash trees to meet demand.
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/03/488432537/a-beetle-may-soon-strike-out-baseballs-famous-ash-bats
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Tuart you want tuart! It's a right royal sod to try and machine though I don't think the bat manufacturers will like it much, might be a tad heavy too!
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Tuart you want tuart! It's a right royal sod to try and machine though I don't think the bat manufacturers will like it much, might be a tad heavy too!
Tuart= Eucalyptus
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Tuart= Eucalyptus
The clubhouses would certainly smell nice .
Dusty
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I can see A-Rod in the locker room, one foot on the bench and the other on a Mariner in a classic "man spread", gesturing toward a spritz bottle and delivering the now-famous catch-phrase "Channel #8. Where Eau d' jock strap meets Eucalyptus."
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I can see A-Rod in the locker room, one foot on the bench and the other on a Mariner in a classic "man spread", gesturing toward a spritz bottle and delivering the now-famous catch-phrase "Channel #8. Where Eau d' jock strap meets Eucalyptus."
The folks in Seattle and Dallas referred to him as A ... well something other than Rod :shocked:
Dusty
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Unfortunately, his legacy to the sport will not be nice.
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Bats don't kill people, batters do.
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Yes, they take that big club and beat someone to a batter.
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It would be so much better if the bats were made out of Al (or some other more consistent material than wood) to a spec. Each stadium would get 'issued' a set of bats for use in games and players would select the length they want from the 'pool'. Both teams pull bats from the same stack.
I also think an electronic 'umpire' at home plate should be implemented. Simple to do.
But, since I really don't like watching baseball (or most other sports) don't mind me. I liked playing baseball, but, unless I was catching I got bored.
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I sucked at baseball. So not interested in the sport. Turns out, this was before the dominant eye thing. I should have batted left hand. Same for shooting. I went to other sports and that's okay. Full contact fighting, wrestling, judo, Gung fu, Karate and shooting etc. :thumb:
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It would be so much better if the bats were made out of Al (or some other more consistent material than wood) to a spec. Each stadium would get 'issued' a set of bats for use in games and players would select the length they want from the 'pool'. Both teams pull bats from the same stack.
I also think an electronic 'umpire' at home plate should be implemented. Simple to do.
But, since I really don't like watching baseball (or most other sports) don't mind me. I liked playing baseball, but, unless I was catching I got bored.
Baseball (like soccer) is an incredibly boring sport to watch if you're not "into" it. It will absolutely put anyone to sleep UNLESS they are aware of the player matchups, the pitchers' capabilities against the type of hitters they will face, the managers' strategies, etc. (I assume that soccer is the same way, since the action is like watching paint dry).
Human umps are fine with me. And wooden bats are fine with me too. But all the "shattered bat" problems would be fixed if they just went back to the same (or equivalent) material and configuration that they used back when bats DIDN'T shatter on a regular basis. It's simple enough, but no one will do it ....
Lannis
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I tend to agree. I wonder how a composite bat would work. A block of plywood then cut down to a bat? Carbon Fiber bat?
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Baseball (like soccer) is an incredibly boring sport to watch if you're not "into" it. It will absolutely put anyone to sleep UNLESS they are aware of the player matchups, the pitchers' capabilities against the type of hitters they will face, the managers' strategies, etc. (I assume that soccer is the same way, since the action is like watching paint dry).
Human umps are fine with me. And wooden bats are fine with me too. But all the "shattered bat" problems would be fixed if they just went back to the same (or equivalent) material and configuration that they used back when bats DIDN'T shatter on a regular basis. It's simple enough, but no one will do it ....
Lannis
Yep, I was, it still puts me to sleep.
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I tend to agree. I wonder how a composite bat would work. A block of plywood then cut down to a bat? Carbon Fiber bat?
It's not exactly what you're talking about, but Hoosier Bat Company makes a composite bat.
Ash handle, hickory hitting area, and maple barrel end.
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Wouldn't that still shatter?
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Wouldn't that still shatter?
Depends how it's made. Modern players turn or sand down the handle of the bat as far as they can go, without the bat breaking in "normal" use, so they can get a "whippy" feel to the bat - narrow handle, wide barrel so it will act like a golf driver when they swing it ....
Stop that nonsense and bats will quit breaking. But I suspect the powers of the bees won't let that happen.
Lannis
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Baseball (like soccer) is an incredibly boring sport to watch if you're not "into" it. It will absolutely put anyone to sleep UNLESS they are aware of the player matchups, the pitchers' capabilities against the type of hitters they will face, the managers' strategies, etc. (I assume that soccer is the same way, since the action is like watching paint dry).
Human umps are fine with me. And wooden bats are fine with me too. But all the "shattered bat" problems would be fixed if they just went back to the same (or equivalent) material and configuration that they used back when bats DIDN'T shatter on a regular basis. It's simple enough, but no one will do it ....
Lannis
The three "Bores" Base Bore ,foot bore and basket bore. And the master bore, golf... In the the 1930's my father played base ball and foot ball in college and when onfor a few years to play Triple A ball for a few and semi pro football...Both my parents were baseball crazy and living by NYC there was baseball on daily during the summer. Dad used to have lunch with Yogi Berra occasionally... I knew every baseball play and rule, I knew what pitch Whitey Ford would throw with a man on first, I saw Willie Mays live on TV make the "Catch"......But shattered bats were not all that common.......Oh, I sucked at sports and I do not watch baseball or any sports..
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Baseball = 30 minutes of action packed into 2 1/2 hours. :laugh: Dad watched it ALL the time. None of my siblings care for it.
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The three "Bores" Base Bore ,foot bore and basket bore. And the master bore, golf... In the the 1930's my father played base ball and foot ball in college and when onfor a few years to play Triple A ball for a few and semi pro football...Both my parents were baseball crazy and living by NYC there was baseball on daily during the summer. Dad used to have lunch with Yogi Berra occasionally... I knew every baseball play and rule, I knew what pitch Whitey Ford would throw with a man on first, I saw Willie Mays live on TV make the "Catch"......But shattered bats were not all that common.......Oh, I sucked at sports and I do not watch baseball or any sports..
That's pretty cool. Dad and Granddad were science teachers and coached baseball and basketball. Dad played semi-pro baseball in Tucson in the 40's. He was a huge Yankees fan.
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That's pretty cool. Dad and Granddad were science teachers and coached baseball and basketball. Dad played semi-pro baseball in Tucson in the 40's. He was a huge Yankees fan.
In 1955 when I was 8 , me and dad flew down to Florida to see Curt Gowdy during baseball spring training. Curt , a casual friend, was going to introduce dad to some baseball people to see if he could get into announcing the games. My mom had a fit because of the long periods away from home, so dad never took the position...