I'll bet this one didn't get Rollerized

[MGrego]

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/mpo/d/lewisville-2012-norge-gt-parts/6879462187.html

Don't know the details, but probably didn't get rollerized.  Dead at 44K.

[jwinwi]

Thought I read something about a hole in the sump that went undetected until it was too late (?)

[rocker59]

Perfect bike for a 1400 transplant!!!

[Zoom Zoom]

A lot of worthwhile spares for any 8V CARC bike owner.

John Henry

[fotoguzzi]

Thought I read something about a hole in the sump that went undetected until it was too late (?)

I like that idea, 
This bike made the trip from Dallas to Prudhoe Bay in 2017

it doesn't say Pruhoe Bay and BACK.

[M0T0Geezer]

I like the CARC shield - wonder where he got it?

[pete roper]

Perfect bike for a 1400 transplant!!!

Not that easy Mike. To get it to work you really need to use a 1200 block and there are a host of other things that need changing. I'm having to go back to square one on the Stelvio conversion which is annoying.

There are also problems with the breathing system when you go to 1400. There simply isn't enough crankcase volume.

Pete

[jwinwi]

I like the CARC shield - wonder where he got it?

MG Cycle? http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3100

[Guzzidad]

  Not all 12's were flat tappets. Mine came from the factory with rollers. Has 58,000 miles on it now and runs great. Oh, and it's also for sale. My time has come where I won't be riding long distance any more.

[PJPR01]

Well...I'll be damned...that's Sam Baker's bike.  He rode with me and Twowings back in 2016 when we all met up in John Day on our 3 Norges, and we rode back from Oregon thru Montana and to Wyoming.  What a pity his bike blew up...now I know why we haven't seen him active lately.  I wonder if he got another Guzzi or not...

[Huzo]

Well...I'll be damned...that's Sam Baker's bike.  He rode with me and Twowings back in 2016 when we all met up in John Day on our 3 Norges, and we rode back from Oregon thru Montana and to Wyoming.  What a pity his bike blew up...now I know why we haven't seen him active lately.  I wonder if he got another Guzzi or not...

Is/was it a roller or flattie?

[PJPR01]

I’m not sure Peter...I will have to get a hold of Sam and find out the story here. 

[Bert Remington]

From the eBay listing:

Seller: molsonmyson (149 )

Item location: Lewisville, Texas, United States
   
Ended: May 01, 2019 , 6:54PM

Starting bid: US $2,500.00 [ 0 bids ]













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This bike was running fine up until February, when on a trip, I had to hop a curb and put a hole in the Oil Sump loosing all oil... Not realizing there had been damage I ran until the engine seized about 1 mile from the point of impact. ALL OTHER functions of this bike are still in Perfect Running condition. Price Includes Bags, and TRUNK .. Has 44K miles on it.

You are bidding on a 2012 Norge GT ... MOTOR IS BLOWN...

All other functions and features on the bike work perfectly. Motor blew on a trip in February. Bike has been indoors since... This bike made the trip from Dallas to Prudhoe Bay in 2017 (see first pix) ... All other functions are fully working including ECU, ABS, Dash Electronics, Motor windshield, Mechanical: Transmission, Drive Shaft, CARC, Tire have 1K of use on them (Michelin Pilot Road 3) all body parts included...

Additional extras

Agostini Muffler
Paniers   - Have scratches and dings
Rear Trunk - HB Paint matched to bike
Seat has been custom enhanced - more support custom padding.

Clear title available -
Bike is sold AS IS
BUY is responsible for pick or arranging transport within 5 days of close of auction

[jacksonracingcomau]

Not that easy Mike. To get it to work you really need to use a 1200 block and there are a host of other things that need changing. I'm having to go back to square one on the Stelvio conversion which is annoying.

There are also problems with the breathing system when you go to 1400. There simply isn't enough crankcase volume.

Pete

That is a shame. especially as you got it sussed a year or so back with Beetle’s one. Must be a clue there what is different, prob deserves it’s own thread  , is always interest in how you solve these issues ( and the differences in  cases / volume 1200/1400, is it not possible to fit 1400 cases?)

[pete roper]

It's the 1400 case that is the main issue. The 1400's use a different phase sensor and phonic wheel. Substituting the 1200 wheel is easy enough. The sensor? Not so much as it's position has to be accurate.

Strangely the 1400 sump appears to be smaller but there is less crap hanging about inside it which adds greater volume. Before I do a baffle plate I'm going to build up a 1400 sump to try on Mark's 1400 and see what happens. It may be just enough if we lower the oil level a tad.

We actually bought 1400 sumps for both our bikes years ago but never got round to fitting them.

[jacksonracingcomau]

It's the 1400 case that is the main issue. The 1400's use a different phase sensor and phonic wheel. Substituting the 1200 wheel is easy enough. The sensor? Not so much as it's position has to be accurate.

Strangely the 1400 sump appears to be smaller but there is less crap hanging about inside it which adds greater volume. Before I do a baffle plate I'm going to build up a 1400 sump to try on Mark's 1400 and see what happens. It may be just enough if we lower the oil level a tad.

We actually bought 1400 sumps for both our bikes years ago but never got round to fitting them.

my misunderstanding, thought I had read first one was successful
 venting it like old way or racebike would be an option, not tuv approved of course .
I’ve never built a huge capacity motor but there are a few big daytone engines about, actually a couple at Broadford last week
1280 or 1380 in magni chassis ex raceco now in Sydney
worth a look at, pics on net I’m sure

[pete roper]

Oh it's a success. Apart from the oil expulsion problem!

[jacksonracingcomau]

Oh it's a success. Apart from the oil expulsion problem!

how severe?
not like old breather box with stuck flapper I hope

[pete roper]

It's significant.

[jacksonracingcomau]

It's significant.

OOPS
have you separated breather from oe airbox etc?
into box with big drain under oil level, vent from top to catch tank.
as mentioned there are a few high revving big bores about on racetrack so is not reinventing (pun intended) the wheel
MGS01. system prob absolute work of art, just copy /adapt that , is pdf parts book on this old tractor

[pete roper]

Don't want to go  to such a dirty system unless unavoidable. The main problem with all of the 8V bikes isn't the design of the breather system it's its volume! Unfortunately space, especially on a Griso, is at a premium. Working out where to put improvements is the tricky bit.

First step will be trying a couple of PCV valves in the breather pipes. Then a sump swap. Then an auxiliary separator.

[jacksonracingcomau]

Don't want to go  to such a dirty system unless unavoidable. The main problem with all of the 8V bikes isn't the design of the breather system it's its volume! Unfortunately space, especially on a Griso, is at a premium. Working out where to put improvements is the tricky bit.

First step will be trying a couple of PCV valves in the breather pipes. Then a sump swap. Then an auxiliary separator.

#3 gets the win

Griso frame lends itself nearly invisibly, has volume in spades
bit of ag tapping & welding but drastic calls for drastic
think spiney with two big drain hoses . top vent could possibly still go to airbox if you really need “clean “. but catchtank is environmentally friendly esp if nothing caught

[pete roper]

Not a fan of using the frame. I've washed too much crud out of frames to be happy with it. It's a possibility though.

[jacksonracingcomau]

Not a fan of using the frame. I've washed too much crud out of frames to be happy with it. It's a possibility though.

same here but always blamed owner, if engine never to temp the mayo will come
but big drain hoses help
as will stat on cooler
absolute rule —-don’t start it if it ain’t gonna get good and warm
no mayo in a race bike or my roadies, I walk before I torture engines with 5 min rides

[tomasland]

I like the CARC shield - wonder where he got it?

Hi everyone. Can you tell me what is the CARC shield and for what reason people use it? Honestly, I have seen it at first.

[pete roper]

Hi everyone. Can you tell me what is the CARC shield and for what reason people use it? Honestly, I have seen it at first.

It's there to prevent the casting getting buggered up in the event of a drop.

I've always been a bit ambivalent about the idea as it mounts on the brake mounting spigots. I've always worried that a heavy hit would break off the casting lugs and since the castings aren't, and never were, available as a spare part any breakage would mean the purchase of a new bevelbox for bulk dollars.

Luckily after ten years of production and the fact that the bevelboxes are very reliable there are enough spares and cases around that such considerations are now irrelevant. FWIW my Griso has a 'Naked' CARC but my Stelvio has a guard. In all honesty though the reason the Stelvio has one is a bit of entirely cosmetic wank! Yup! I'm a wanker!

Pete