Missouri helmet law

[Guzzistajohn]

Federal Agriculture & USPS rules.  Can be done but a real hassle.  The pineapple that I brought in was checked baggage into Cleveland International Airport.  Long story short I have flight privileges.  A case went to Zoom Zoom & Jan.  3 cases went to the rally dinner with some going to the OH contingent with the fresh ice cream.  (Buckeye connection)

Guess I'll go to the grocery store then    like a grilled slab of pineapple on a burger!

[Guzzistajohn]

Thanks for all the great humour in this thread. I had hip replacement surgery today, and now have swathes of spare time on social media.
It was discomfort riding the Le Mans made me get the surgery.
You had me chuckling 

Glad we could make smile 

Getting back to the original thread.
Think of the poor sod who has to clean up the mess. Not pleasant.
However, freedom of choice is a biggy in my book.

I got pulled over down in Arkansas years ago. (he said I was going too fast)  I made a comment about the no helmet law in the state. The AHP officer said. "Yep, you can splatter your brains all over our highways, we don't care" What a nice guy 

[kirby1923]

I had my helmet stolen (cut right off the helmet lock) while stopped at a restaurant in north Las Vegas (my last high $ lid). Headed for SoCal I stopped at a Harley shop along the way in Vegas to buy something like a helmet and all they sold was clothes and do rags.
So gave up and headed to CA. w/no helmet. Forgot how tough riding across the Mojave at speed w/o a lid and only shades.
Saw many LEOs and even pulled up at a traffic light next to a CHP in Barstow, and he ignored me.

Made it home in one piece...

:-)

[Zoom Zoom]

Aren't I supposed to get pissed off about you guys "thread drifting" my thread?? I see that here now and then. Funny, I'm just not feeling it? Pretty sure the last guy I saw had two Z's in his name. Hmmmmmm, who was that??
 
Have fun ya'll!

Yep, and you know full well how a controversial thread like this can turn ugly in a heartbeat. I'll leave it at that.

ZZ

[Luap McKeever]

I'll chime in here with personal opinion worth about $.02...

I plan to keep wearing mine regardless of the law. I also plan to never chastise others for their choices. Their choices affect me nil whatsoever and I wish more people would worry more about themselves and not others because it's nobody's business whatsoever how others choose to live their lives in our "free" country.

I'll also say that I feel mandates shouldn't stop at helmets. I HATE seat-belts and HATE the law that I HAVE to wear one. This is America and we should be able to choose how we care for ourselves, or not and it shouldn't be the government or anyone else deciding what we do or don't do to ourselves.

[Guzzistajohn]

I'll chime in here with personal opinion worth about $.02...

I plan to keep wearing mine regardless of the law. I also plan to never chastise others for their choices. Their choices affect me nil whatsoever and I wish more people would worry more about themselves and not others because it's nobody's business whatsoever how others choose to live their lives in our "free" country.

I'll also say that I feel mandates shouldn't stop at helmets. I HATE seat-belts and HATE the law that I HAVE to wear one. This is America and we should be able to choose how we care for ourselves, or not and it shouldn't be the government or anyone else deciding what we do or don't do to ourselves.

I agree 100% as long as my decisions or yours don't effect others.

[Guzzistajohn]

Yep, and you know full well how a controversial thread like this can turn ugly in a heartbeat. I'll leave it at that.

ZZ

Really no "controversy" the change is a done deal. More informational at this point.

[Zoom Zoom]

Okay, let me rephrase.

It's not the FACT that a law has been repealed. It is the controversy that will be created on this board!

DOES THAT CLEAR IT UP?

ZZ

[kballowe]

So, aluminum, or copper crush washers ?

[Two Checks]

Aluminum or copper...YES!

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

I had my helmet stolen (cut right off the helmet lock) while stopped at a restaurant in north Las Vegas (my last high $ lid). Headed for SoCal I stopped at a Harley shop along the way in Vegas to buy something like a helmet and all they sold was clothes and do rags.
So gave up and headed to CA. w/no helmet. Forgot how tough riding across the Mojave at speed w/o a lid and only shades.
Saw many LEOs and even pulled up at a traffic light next to a CHP in Barstow, and he ignored me.

Made it home in one piece...

:-)

this happened to us.. had our riding gear, helmets, and shoes stolen off the bike while we were swimming in a river just 50 yards away up by the BRP

we had no choice but ride down the mountain back to cell service sans helmet & wearing Chacos

a STUNNING number of people yelled to us "you need a helmet in NC!", flashed their lights, tried to wave us down to tell us we were driving illegally???  So many people did this, that had I planned to ride us home... but we ended up pulling over once we got to cell service and eat lunch while we waited on a free tow from AAA to get us home with no further incident

[Wayne Orwig]

So, aluminum, or copper crush washers ?

Aluminum with built in rubber oring.

[Lannis]

Okay, let me rephrase.

It's not the FACT that a law has been repealed. It is the controversy that will be created on this board!

DOES THAT CLEAR IT UP?

ZZ

ZZ -

Nothing to clear up.   The actual List Owner has provided input to this thread as to the law, the mandates, and what American freedom is all about.   

Nobody is breaking any rules, and doesn't look like they're going to - the boundaries have been set.

So have a good time!  Live a little!      

Lannis

[BMCMOTO]

For me it's boots, gloves and helmet. I might forgo a jacket now and then, maybe once in the last twenty years. Some here might remember a fella named Sandy Morrison, highly skilled heavy equipment operator and Guzzi guy, fell helmetless  off a Triumph at less than 20MPH. Pretty much scrambled his noggin, never the same again. I have done the same no helmet thing on a very short test ride a Sandy did, even after Sandy had his accident but I think about it every time. I was taught that a rider frequently lands hands first followed by head followed by feet unless hit by something. I am fine with helmet laws and seatbelt laws and life jacket laws as they are meant to protect society from paying for our mistakes and privileges.

Brian

[Kiwi Dave]

New Zealand has had a helmet law since it's inception about 45 years ago.

When it was introduced, I got a copy of the law describing the details.  It described how the helmet had to be securely fastened amongst other demands.  But it didn't say that it had to be fastened to the rider's head.

Being the rebel I was, I fastened mine to my left elbow, as I thought it needed more protection than my head.  Strangely, I never got pulled up, and soon came to my senses and started behaving.

I seem to recall that the first flip face helmets were illegal.  Not sure of their current status, but there's quite a few now using them (including me).

[GeorgiaGuzzi]

Somebody made a comment that reminded me of my trip out to glacier national Park. I bought a shorty half helmet to wear while “sight-seeing”. I did not realize that Montana/Canada had so many dang bugs in July!!! I had bug guts all over my glasses and face. After that excursion I wore my full face the rest of the trip. I’m a sissy like that I guess! 😂 (it should be noted I ride without a windshield)

[Ncdan]

The major problems with the helmet law is this. There is no standard in place, at least in NC, to justify A common sense helmet law, in other words there is No standard mandated!
The only compliance mandate it that it had to, a one time been DOT approved. I’ve got a 30 year old DOT approved helmet that the lining is gone and the foam is almost completely compressed. Now if anyone thinks this is an appropriate headgear for motorcycle riding, raise your hand and yet it’s perfectly legal.
It is printed on the paperwork that comes with a Bell Racing grade helmet “ IF DROPPED REPLACE”
Helmet laws as well as any other law that mandates and demands a people must comply must be based on scientific research, common sense and factual data. The fact is that in my state this is not the case with our standing helmet law. Therefore the enforcement of said law is an injustice to the people who must comply.
That being said, I’d wear one either way the majority of the time. 

[normzone]

Lannis, I think probably the auto driving population not being required to have helmets just means they have more lawyers. If it was about saving the insurance companies money helmets would be required in autos also.

But I am under the impression that insurance expenses drove the helmet laws for motorcyclists, I could be mistaken.

I remember returning to CA after a few years in other states, and when asked about changes since I'd been away, a motor officer told me we'd never have a helmet law in CA because " The Hell's Angels have too many lawyers ". Obviously, he was incorrect.

I'll always ride helmeted.

[Joliet Jim]

So, 15W-50 is out of the question ?

If it can't run on Castol GTX 20w-50, it's too modern for me

[Lannis]

But I am under the impression that insurance expenses drove the helmet laws for motorcyclists, I could be mistaken.

.....
I'll always ride helmeted.

Well, I'm willing to believe that it was the influence of the insurance lobby that drove helmet laws for bikes.

But now we've got to figure out what's UN-driving them.   When I were a lad, CA was the ONLY state with no helmet law.   Now MOST states have some level of helmetless riding (by age, etc).

The insurance lobby hasn't gotten any weaker, and medical expenses for head injuries haven't gone down.   So how'd that happen?

It's something nefarious, I'm sure.   Law or no law, I'm wearing mine too.

Lannis

[Joliet Jim]

  For those that are following the thread, all of this in reference to the last time the MGNOC National Rally was held in New Cumberland,WV.  I brought in fresh Maui Gold pineapple for Saturday night dinner.  Fresh hand crank vanilla ice cream was with the OH contingent.    If you have the long horizontal picture from the rally, I'm the one in the lower left and lower right with Bucky's pix.

Shit I missed out on the ice cream

[Tom H]

Luap,

On the seat belts. I have a '62 F100 with no belts. I plan to never put them in. In Ca,. if it was not standard equipment, you do not have to have them. I'm perfectly comfortable not having them. I have had passengers ask why there is no belts. Even dated a girl that wanted one. But if I put one in for the passenger, then I would also have to have one.

But, my '14 F150 has them and there is the law to wear them. I hate the law, but since they are there I feel I should wear them since I could get a fine without them.

Way, way back before the law, my Datsun 510 WAGON had seat and shoulder belts. I wore them. Why.. because the car felt sporty and I drove it that way. Ever keep up with a 350ci Malibu being sporty with a Datsun WAGON with a 1600cc????

Tom

[Two Checks]

Nothing is in driving the insurance companies. If you didn't notice, to ride sans helmet you must have health insurance.

[mobiker]

Isn't going to affect my behavior. I'll keep doing what I've been doing. Never had a helmet stolen, but glad I can now legally ride home if it ever happens.

I understand why people ride without helmets. I also understand why I ride with one 

[john fish]

Repealing the helmet laws moves the responsibility and liability from the state to the individual.  It's a cya move by the state.

So, aluminum, or copper crush washers?

I need some for the bikes.  What is the choice here?  Aluminum, Copper, or Orange?

[80CX100]

Well, I'm willing to believe that it was the influence of the insurance lobby that drove helmet laws for bikes.

But now we've got to figure out what's UN-driving them.   When I were a lad, CA was the ONLY state with no helmet law.   Now MOST states have some level of helmetless riding (by age, etc).

The insurance lobby hasn't gotten any weaker, and medical expenses for head injuries haven't gone down.   So how'd that happen?

It's something nefarious, I'm sure.   Law or no law, I'm wearing mine too.

Lannis

     I don't know if nefarious would be the appropriate description, but I do know how big business and government work, cash is always king.

     I would surmise that actuarians have probably studied accident,death and long term care statistics and the increased probability of death for helmetless riders.

     There could likely be substantial savings, when you consider the costs for possible long term care,rehabilitation,medical procedures,income supplement/replacement etc,,,

     or a funeral.

[LowRyter]

Luap,

On the seat belts. I have a '62 F100 with no belts. I plan to never put them in. In Ca,. if it was not standard equipment, you do not have to have them. I'm perfectly comfortable not having them. I have had passengers ask why there is no belts. Even dated a girl that wanted one. But if I put one in for the passenger, then I would also have to have one.

But, my '14 F150 has them and there is the law to wear them. I hate the law, but since they are there I feel I should wear them since I could get a fine without them.

Way, way back before the law, my Datsun 510 WAGON had seat and shoulder belts. I wore them. Why.. because the car felt sporty and I drove it that way. Ever keep up with a 350ci Malibu being sporty with a Datsun WAGON with a 1600cc????

Tom

So if you have an 1962 motorcycle, no need to wear a helmet.  I think I understand the logic here.

[D Knaus]

I was living in Kansas in 1976 (or was it 1977 ?) when they repealed the helmet law.  If I remember correctly it was a Thursday, and on the way home from work I saw more motorcycles out on the streets than I ever had before.  Not a helmet in sight!  Even "old" guys on old BMWs were out with their ballcaps turned backwards. 
Girlfriend and I rode all day on Saturday w/o helmets, and sunburned faces and heads like never before.

[Daleroso]

IT'S MY BODY!!!!!!  lol
I've had a Schuberth & a Shoei (modulars) destroyed in 2 dif not my fault incidents. Both co's comped me new helmets when I sent them the destroyed ones to analyze.
I wear modulars living in Fl where few riders wear any. It's their body.

[Ncdan]

IT'S MY BODY!!!!!!  lol
I've had a Schuberth & a Shoei (modulars) destroyed in 2 dif not my fault incidents. Both co's comped me new helmets when I sent them the destroyed ones to analyze.
I wear modulars living in Fl where few riders wear any. It's their body.

I have a modular which I use in very cold riding temps. However anything much over 50 degrees and it’s hot to come off and there’s no way a could stand it in hot or even warm weather. However I do always wear a helmet of done type.