A “Water Cooled” Guzzi. Does it matter to you?

[willowstreetguzziguy]

Does it matter to most Guzzi riders if the next big Guzzi is water cooled? Or are you a died in the wool air cooled rider.

I owned 2 water cooled BMW K75’s from 1986-20017 with absolutely no cooling issues. Needed more character so I switched to th MG 1200 Sport for more character. I do like the simplicity of the air cooled engine and hate to see it fade into history.

I can’t see myself getting ride of the 12S and getting a water cooled Guzzi. I could see adding a Royal Enfield Himalayan though.

So the question is… Would you consider buying a water cooled Guzzi? Or not?

[SmithSwede]

Water cooling would be a deal breaker.   I’m a dyed in the wool fan of air-cooled. 

[AJ Huff]

Makes.zero.differen ce to me. All that matters is that it's good looking and a joy to ride.

-AJ

[Dogwalker]

I can’t see myself getting ride of the 12S and getting a water cooled Guzzi.

Think if it's hybrid.

[DougG]

Hi all,                                                                                                                 8-29-21

If I were in the market for a bike...sure, I'd follow the technology.  Being water cooled would not keep me from buying a Guzzi.  Just like when it went from carbureted to EFI, from electrical to electronic ignition, drum brakes to discs, cables to hydraulics, tubes to tubeless, etc.  As with all new technology, I'm sure MG will have it's hiccups.  I guess that's part of the Guzzi charm. 

Be well, stay well,

DougG

[Dimitri_Harkov]

I don't really care - as long as it still 'feels Guzzi' when I ride it.

Cheers,
D.

[yogidozer]

Water cooling would be a deal breaker.   I’m a dyed in the wool fan of air-cooled.

Same here, why change something that's working?
Never had an air cooled bike overheat.
But have, and heard of cars/trucks overheating.
Fan belts fly off, radiators leak, thermostats go bad.

[JJ]

Water-cooled engines makes no difference to me...but I have owned / ridden mainly air cooled bikes...

I will reserve my judgement until I see the rest of this new V1000 Guzzi...

[Snowman]

Not a problem, would buy one tomorrow. I love my air cooled Norge but my K1100 has 160K miles, not drip, no overheating.

[Frenchfrog]

I love steam train engines, horse drawn drays and ox carts too...keeping up with tech ,and particularly in terms of efficiency and pollution, is wise though if you are trying to sell vehicles.

[yogidozer]

Not a problem, would buy one tomorrow. I love my air cooled Norge but my K1100 has 160K miles, not drip, no overheating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X45nbXGyT0w
https://www.k100-forum.com/t1389-solved-k100-radiator-flush-or-thermostat-change-to-tackle-heat-problem
https://www.k-bikes.com/threads/k1100-overheat.18481/

[yogidozer]

I have, and he will be at the Ohio rally if anybody thinks I'm lying! You can ask him yourself.

As for the rest of it, give it a rest. Anyone with a brain knows water cooling will allow engines to meet more strict emissions standards, not to mention extract more power. Unless you're a youngster, there will be plenty of air cooled bikes around for years. You'll simply find a used bike that someone never rode and buy it cheap.
Overheated when he left it running, then stopped at an all you can eat buffet 

John Henry

[Griso8V]

Yes, I would have NO problem with a water cooled Guzzi.  It is, most likely, the wave of the future in addition to the added performance one can get from a water cooled engine.  I am not married to the air cooled Guzzi models...
Tony

[LowRyter]

it matters if you want to see a modern performance oriented Guzzi ...but I understand the resistance and perhaps an air-cooled big block would be a nice addition too?

[bad Chad]

I prefer air cooling, I just think it’s cool.   I don’t think I’ll choose to own one, but I’m not going to say it will never happen, especially if it is a cool Guzzi!

[Perazzimx14]

I've had both and I prefer air-cooled but I also do not care what any manufactures does to evolve/survive. If you are asking would I buy a water cooled Guzzi? As long as its not a cardan driven bored out small block in a 40 year old Tonti frame........maybe!

[Snowman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X45nbXGyT0w
https://www.k100-forum.com/t1389-solved-k100-radiator-flush-or-thermostat-change-to-tackle-heat-problem
https://www.k-bikes.com/threads/k1100-overheat.18481/

Yeah, you are right! All water cooled bikes suck and they won't sell a single one. Air cooled is the way of the future, thats why all new bikes are air cooled. Jeeze, how did my K1100 stay together? Lucky i guess. Now, i need an air cooled car, lots of choice . . .

[yogidozer]

Yeah, you are right! All water cooled bikes suck and they won't sell a single one. Air cooled is the way of the future, thats why all new bikes are air cooled. Jeeze, how did my K1100 stay together? Lucky i guess. Now, i need an air cooled car, lots of choice . . .

even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile 

[yogidozer]

And as far as the government concerned about the emission of the relatively few large displacement motorcycles,
look at all those jets flying by, the factories, the trucks, coal-fired power plants, and deforestation.
Concerned government? Yeah, that, why cigarettes are still being sold. Over $5 per pack in taxes.
The cancer comes as a bonus.

[yogidozer]

Really
Sorry Dusty, I'll try not to be so honest 

[mtiberio]

If I can get 110 reliable HP out of a 1000 instead of a measley 65, hell yes.

[LowRyter]

I suppose we could go back to leather belt drive?

[Ncdan]

*****Caution needed******
We are easing a little close to certain subjects that we all know are are prohibited on WG.
Everyone step back a bit. Thanks.


Dan

[tazio]

A water cooled Guzzi? Sure.
A water cooled Guzzi built outside of Italy? Deal breaker.
Sorry..
YMMV.

[guzziboy66]

I've ridden air cooled Kawasakis and water cooled ones...
I've ridden air cooled Honda's and water cooled ones...
I've ridden air cooled Ducati's  and water cooled ones...
I've driven air cooled VW's and water cooled ones...

In all cases the air cooled ones are neat, cool, fun & nostalgic, but they are not better than the water cooled ones.

Time and technology march on.

I'll not get rid of my air cooled Guzzi's, but if the stars align and I'm attracted to it, then I'll own a water cooled one too.


Eric

[lucian]

If I can get 110 reliable HP out of a 1000 instead of a measley 65, hell yes.

Plus 1 ^   
Now we can start thinking about a 140hp Lemans VI

[Dirk_S]

I think most Guzzi fans would scoff at MG deciding to go with a different layout of the engine quicker that choosing to go liquid-cooling. Within 20 years, let’s consider how many motorcycle companies will be making air-cooled bikes, or SOLELY air-cooled bikes for that matter. As the Euro regs go, so go the rest of the world. It’s inevitable. Honestly, if it makes better engineers out of manufacturers, and cuts down on pollution…why not. If you don’t like it, there’s a plethora of vintage bikes to stick with.

That said, if Moto Guzzi goes instead with two different engines with two different types of cooling, all the better, in my opinion. Give folks options while not fading into obscurity.

Want air-cooling that meets strict emissions restrictions AND has great performance? Well, there’s a pad and pencil. Go design one ;)

[lucian]

I hope they follow Triumph's lead  on the t120 and keep the cylinder fins , makes for a smaller radiator also. Hopefully dual lambda's and a stock map that actually works everywhere. 

[nbags]

tighter emission  water cooling is the best way to control it wh
y do you thing all the reliable as hell engines went away 4.0 jeep ,7.3 ford diesel , 350 chevy, slant six, emissions is the main reason liquid cooling is around the corner for all motorcycles just before electric comes around

[OldMojo]

Water cooling doesn't bother me, as long as they don't hang a suitcase of a radiator on the front.





But they'd better not ditch the longitudinal-crank V-twin, unless it's with something equally unique.