Loop wheel on a Tonti?

[wirespokes]

Is an Eldorado disc front wheel any different than an early Tonti - say an 850T or a T3? I'm thinking of getting an Eldo disc wheel to use on a T3.

[guzzisteve]

Hub is different wheel rims maybe same, Tapered bearings in one, roller bearings in the other, just use the right stuff or get it new from HMB. Call Harpers they might have a trailer full, if He ain't to lazy to go get them.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

Disc Eldo front wheel is virtually identical to T, T3, Convert, G5. The bearing carriers will be different - Eldo will have one that is 39.5 mm thick and the other that is 22 mm thick. You'd need a pair of 29.5 mm thick ones for use on a T3.





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[wirespokes]

Thanks, Charlie! I figured you'd know.

So the answer is that Eldos used ball bearings and newer ones have tapered rollers. Right there is enough to warrant changing the carriers, though the wrong thickness would definitely dictate a change.

Did the eldo disc front wheel have stainless spokes?

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

Thanks, Charlie! I figured you'd know.

So the answer is that Eldos used ball bearings and newer ones have tapered rollers. Right there is enough to warrant changing the carriers, though the wrong thickness would definitely dictate a change.

Did the eldo disc front wheel have stainless spokes?

You kind of have that backwards. Most drum brake Loops had tapered roller bearings (the exception being the four-leading-shoe front drum which used ball bearings). Tontis all used ball bearings (except the rear of the V7 Sport).

Stainless spokes (with nickel-plated brass nipples) were used on Loop wheels after 1969, so yes, the disc Eldo front wheel will have stainless spokes.

If you buy the disc Eldo wheel and it comes with the 39.5 mm wide spacer/bearing carrier, I would be interested in buying that. A bit hard to find. 

[guzzisteve]

Disc Eldo front wheel is virtually identical to T, T3, Convert, G5. The bearing carriers will be different - Eldo will have one that is 39.5 mm thick and the other that is 22 mm thick. You'd need a pair of 29.5 mm thick ones for use on a T3.





https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=218&products_id=579

Thanks for correcting, I knew you would be along.

[wirespokes]

Yeah, that's right. I forgot the tontis have ball bearings - I'm so used to the airheads with their tapered rollers.

[matt franklin]

It would probably be easier to find another Tonti front wheel than the Eldorado disc wheel.  It was only made for 1 year.  Any convert, G5, T or T3 wheel would work.  SP as well.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

It would probably be easier to find another Tonti front wheel than the Eldorado disc wheel.  It was only made for 1 year.  Any convert, G5, T or T3 wheel would work.  SP as well.

It sounds to me like he's already found the Eldo wheel and just wanted to know if it will work or not. Short answer is it will. it's the same wheel except for the bearing carriers.

The 1000SP had cast alloy wheels, not spoked ones.

[matt franklin]

It sounds to me like he's already found the Eldo wheel and just wanted to know if it will work or not. Short answer is it will. it's the same wheel except for the bearing carriers.

The 1000SP had cast alloy wheels, not spoked ones.

It might look weird, but I assume it would work, since the hub width is the same.

[wirespokes]

It might look weird, but I assume it would work, since the hub width is the same.

It looks to me like a normal T3 wheel. I'm guessing it was the first of the normal wire wheels used on the 850T and newer.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

It looks to me like a normal T3 wheel. I'm guessing it was the first of the normal wire wheels used on the 850T and newer.

The disc Eldo and 850-T were produced concurrently (there were '75 Eldos BTW), so it was the same wheel. Rim, spokes and hub were identical, only different width bearing carriers were used for the 195 mm 850-T fork spacing and the 205 mm Eldo spacing.