Author Topic: California 1400 Merged Threadfest (Read 719186 times)

Strom · « **Reply #1830 on:** June 12, 2012, 06:58:50 AM »

IMO Guzzi successfully made the old californias look even better. :)

I guess the motor can be used in a decent tonti frame to make a decent ride. Maybe get a T5 for peanuts and put that motor in, some clip-ons and go scare the ninja crowd in the twisties... :)

Dogwalker · « **Reply #1831 on:** June 12, 2012, 07:59:26 AM »

Quote from: Kev m on June 12, 2012, 06:46:00 AM

Really? So there's no heel? How is the linkage setup?

Too low tresolution to see. It seems there could be a pivot, above the lever, just under the front of the starter motor.

rocker59 · « **Reply #1832 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:09:17 AM »

Quote from: Dogwalker on June 12, 2012, 06:35:35 AM

In the picture, the toe shifter is at the center of the floorboard (under) and of the cylinder (above). We'll see on the definitive bike.

Nah. That's just the point where the linkage attaches to the shifter.

If you look just behind the header pipe, you'll see the "toe" of the black shift lever coming up an a steep angle. The "heel" is at the rear of, and level with, the floorboard...

This is obviously a cobbed up preproduction bike. The shift lever looks like it's made of sheet steel.

Kev m · « **Reply #1833 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:10:21 AM »

I dunno. A pivot (for a heel toe) would have to be at/near the center of the shifter.

If that's a toe only shifter assembly the rod is AWFUL thin and travels an awfully long distance to the shifter.

I'm afraid what you're thinking is the shifter might be a pivot.

UNLESS we're dealing with something funky like an electronically actuated shifter assembly - then the shifter rod would just be actuating a switch and you could have such ridiculously long linkage.

But I highly doubt that's the case.

Even though it doesn't support my hopes/guesses, I'm thinking that's the pivot at the center of the floorboard.

But we'll see...

Keeping the hope alive - Kev

rocker59 · « **Reply #1834 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:12:15 AM »

Look closely Kev.

That pre production bike has a heel/toe shifter.

It's black sheet steel.

Read my above post.

Kev m · « **Reply #1835 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:13:36 AM »

Quote from: rocker59 on June 12, 2012, 08:12:15 AM

Look closely Kev.

That pre production bike has a heel/toe shifter.

It's black sheet steel.

Read my above post.

Yeah, I saw your post and tend to agree...

Crusty · « **Reply #1836 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:29:39 AM »

There's a lot of supposition based on some photos of pre-production / test mules. I remember the pre-production spy photos of the V-Rod. They looked nothing like what was eventually introduced. I wouldn't be so quick to either fall in love with or completely write off the 1400.
I am wondering what the extra hydraulic line from the clutch is for, though.

Antietam Classic Cycle · « **Reply #1837 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:37:51 AM »

Quote from: Crusty on June 12, 2012, 08:29:39 AM

I am wondering what the extra hydraulic line from the clutch is for, though.

Bleeding?

Dogwalker · « **Reply #1838 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:39:10 AM »

Quote from: rocker59 on June 12, 2012, 08:12:15 AM

That pre production bike has a heel/toe shifter.

It's black sheet steel.

Yeah, now i see it.

VTwins · « **Reply #1839 on:** June 12, 2012, 11:27:31 AM »

Granted these are most likely prototypes and subject to changes. We are looking at two bikes, the first one page one, second shot down, a solo seat position very much to the rear, and floorboards with a toe shifter out front about as far as you can go and have most people reach it from the seat where its placed. Its shifter is silver and a couple inches forward of the boards. This is similar to my Road Glide set up, seat a solo, and seating moved back, boards moved forward, shifters moved forward with the boards, makes for great distance riding. The second "polish" bike looks to be an uncompleted mock up with a whole other arrangement. I also agree with the mention of the Griso's first impression, I did not like it at all, at all, the space heater on the right side, the frame/tank. I warmed up to it and looked at what could be styled better and bought one in 09. For me it was fun but didn't fit as a tour, twisty road, or around town bike. It was kinda Vee Rod, street drag, and didn't do any one thing real well. So after dressing it up I traded it off for a Tricked out, and Tuned for canyon racing, Stelvio with a ton of weight removed with upgraded suspension, pipes and tires. Much more practical, more fun in the canyons, and handle's tough roads in the desert and Mexico well. Plus it tours. To each their own, the 1400 might work and look great for some. I'm just not sure where it fits in with what I have and the riding I do. Love to see Guzzi coming out with new stuff though. There's a group of guys down in L.A. that ride with the Pro Italia crowd that know how to set those Stelvios up to run like a Hypermotard. tuning electronics, custom pipes, and suspension that transforms a Stelvio. Check with ProItalia if your out that way, great shop, on top of their game. ~T~

dddd · « **Reply #1840 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:20:36 PM »

Did anyone notice the 7,000 rpm red line, its a little lower than I was expecting and I'm guessing lower than most Guzzi's. Does anyone know what the red line is on the current California is ???

Kev m · « **Reply #1841 on:** June 12, 2012, 09:06:49 PM »

Quote from: dddd on June 12, 2012, 08:20:36 PM

Did anyone notice the 7,000 rpm red line, its a little lower than I was expecting and I'm guessing lower than most Guzzi's. Does anyone know what the red line is on the current California is ???

Actually not much higher....

MGKrebs · « **Reply #1842 on:** June 14, 2012, 06:31:46 AM »

My 09 CalVin is 8000.

Kev m · « **Reply #1843 on:** June 14, 2012, 08:54:47 AM »

Quote from: MGKrebs on June 14, 2012, 06:31:46 AM

My 09 CalVin is 8000.

REALLY - that sounds kinda high.

I thought I remembered that my Breva 1100 (very similar motor - i.e. pistons, crank, and I thought cam) redlined at 7500, but maybe it was higher (CHECKED OWNER'S MANUAL and it says 7600 rpm).

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After the first 2000 km (1250 Mi) you may run the engine harder, however, without exceeding the maximum rpm allowed 7600.

My Dyno run from FBF suggests it may go a little higher, but it stops before 7800. Though I will say it pretty much continues to grow in hp output all the way to the rev limiter. Torque starts dropping from peak after 5800 rpm or so, but only slightly.

My Jackal didn't come with a factory tach so I had no marked redline, but I always got the impression the rev limiter was set lower than on the Breva. Now it pulled all the way to the limiter, but specs say max HP was at 6400 rpm on the Jackal, so I'm pretty sure it didn't rev much past 7k.

rocker59 · « **Reply #1844 on:** June 14, 2012, 09:17:15 AM »

8000 redline marked on my Bassa's tach.

Just went into the garage and checked.

Murray · « **Reply #1845 on:** June 14, 2012, 10:26:12 AM »

Although the 1100 calis tended to drop off the top of the cam in their upper reaches. 1100 sports will run through to about 8k but after 7 you can tell the two valve design is starting to hit its flow limits. Not too bad for an old nail IMO.

HDGoose · « **Reply #1846 on:** June 14, 2012, 10:29:13 AM »

Took my 79SP and 85the LeMansIV to 9000 with out issues.

Kev m · « **Reply #1847 on:** June 14, 2012, 10:52:23 AM »

Quote from: rocker59 on June 14, 2012, 09:17:15 AM

8000 redline marked on my Bassa's tach.

Just went into the garage and checked.

That's interesting - now do us a favor, go bounce it off the limiter while you're watching and confirm it's not just an optimistic Guzzi tach labelling. :BEER: ;-T

bad Chad · « **Reply #1848 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:28:57 AM »

Maybe I can help. I had a Bassa for almost 10 years and bounced off the limiter many, many times. Although the tach reads 8000, the rev limiter kicks in at 76-7800 rpm. For some reason I have not hit the limiter on the Breva 1100 yet, perhaps because it is a bit faster and I'm chicken?

Kev m · « **Reply #1849 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:32:13 AM »

Thanks Chad! - that's what I was figuring based on the specs and my memories of the Jackal and B11! ;-T

Sheepdog · « **Reply #1850 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:41:12 AM »

Here's a photo. However, I've found that anything above 7K is mostly noise. The meaty part of the powerband ends at 7K.

Tom · « **Reply #1851 on:** June 14, 2012, 12:58:19 PM »

On my '97 Cali 1100i. Same as posted by others. Tach optimistically shows 8K as redline but the engine would start to lose it after 7K. Which is where I'd shift rarely usually by 6500K.

rtbickel · « **Reply #1852 on:** July 12, 2012, 12:35:16 PM »

Do any of our members who know the secret handshake have any word on the release or order date for the new model? I am developing a tic waiting for it.

HDGoose · « **Reply #1853 on:** July 12, 2012, 12:45:23 PM »

Who said 2013? Maybe no Cali's for US import for 2013. And thn the 'new and improved' for 2014? Of course it maybe the European 2013 model we get in 2014...but hey!

bad Chad · « **Reply #1854 on:** July 12, 2012, 01:32:23 PM »

Word from my dealer is it will be here in 2013.

HDGoose · « **Reply #1855 on:** July 12, 2012, 01:40:27 PM »

Quote from: bad Chad on July 12, 2012, 01:32:23 PM

Word from my dealer is it will be here in 2013.

Aug 2013 as a 2014 model?

Kev m · « **Reply #1856 on:** July 12, 2012, 06:56:15 PM »

Quote from: Carl Allison on July 12, 2012, 06:22:20 PM

October maybe? The new V7's are slated for 4th quarter, probably the same with the new Cali.

THIS OCTOBER? no way.

There are new V7s on the road in Europe now, but no Cali 1400s.

October 2013, maybe.

bad Chad · « **Reply #1857 on:** July 20, 2012, 02:59:21 PM »

You have to go over to Guzzitech.com and take a look. I think its looking dam good for it's intended demo. This one has bag mounts, sans bags.

Kev m · « **Reply #1858 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:04:13 PM »

Quote from: bad Chad on July 20, 2012, 02:59:21 PM

You have to go over to Guzzitech.com and take a look.

No you don't...

and Gee it looks so huge, fat, overwieght, bloated bla bla bla ::)

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:BEER:

LowRyter · « **Reply #1859 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:09:42 PM »

it looks like cruiser feet-forward riding position. Looking at the photo, I am pretty certain it's water cooled and has a vulnerable oil cooler close to ground.

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