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There's however a 4th group -- the FW personality cult, who get combative if anything other than glowing eulagies of FW are given, or if folks disagree with what they imagine FW and his 'club' might be. This group can be identified by their baseless, unverifiable insistence that FW is the yahweh of north american guzzi, and that we should either drink his kool-aid without question or turn in our titles.
Really? And you see evidence of this group innnn ... the Aurora? The Misty Mountains? The Hills of Hyperbole?Anyway, that sort of makes my point. You're right, no use fighting that dog any more ...
In the immortal words of Rodney King "Why can we all get along?" I am heartily welcomed by members and nonmembers at officially sanctioned rallys and non official NARS. I just want to ride and I want to ride Guzzis. Like any organization join if you like or don't join. :beat_horse Predicting good weather here today, think I'll take a ride through the Misty Mountains up the Hill of Hyperbole. ;D
It was a hassle for me too, signing back up every year, so I signed up for a Life Membership. No more hassle!!Lannis
Chuck has a bad run in with him, where he treats chuck poorly, but Lannis says that's no reason for Chuck not to think Frank is a wonderful human being. ???
You think Frank is a nice guy because he helped you put your bike on the center stand once.
:beat_horseI don't begrudge Frank in the least bit...
For someone who thinks the discussion is played out, you seem oblivious to my point.I do not "begrudge" Frank the MGNOC, any more than I begrudge you any of your personal possessions. My point is, from the perspective of its members and the benefits of membership, as well as the image of the organization and the marque that it serves, I believe it is less than an ideal situation for a national owner's "club" to belong to any one individual as a for-profit entity. The basis of my belief is two-fold: (1) It is antithetical to the nature of a voluntary association for it to be organized and run by one owner as a for-profit entity; and (2) It is potentially misleading for an entity to solicit money from potential members and receive money from members as a "club," where the normal connotation of that word is that the organization exists as a not-for-profit entity, run by members elected by the general membership, and where those in charge are directly answerable to the members, when such is not the case.Also, note that nowhere do my concerns reflect whether Frank's is a "good guy" or a "bad guy." I don't know the guy, so I truly have no opinion on that subject.
Jeez, You don't seem to understand what is going on here. Frank started this business 30+ years ago when no one gave a flying F about the brand. His business, he makes money from it. So what? If you think you want to beat Frank out of his business why don't you just start another organization and drive him into the ground with your blazing vision? Like I said above, there are probably not enough people around to move on to your organization but if you want to spend your time and your money to get it off the ground then have at it. I haven't looked at MGNOC since I dropped the membership years ago but I don't remember anything in the fine print that said it was a Not For Profit organization. Once again, this is a :beat_horse but please, continue to beat it if you must. ::)
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Do you understand "what is going on here?" I don't think so, otherwise you would recognize that Frank starting "this business 30+ years ago... " is irrelevant to the issues that I raised. If people want to send Frank their money in recognition of his past service, that's an honorarium, not a fee for "club" membership. What Frank did with his "club" thirty years ago is not a rational basis for membership in a marque club TODAY, or a reflection of the value of such membership TODAY, or an answer to, or justification for, the flaws in "this business."It's also not about whether Frank "makes money" from "this business." While I believe that an entity such as the MGNOC should be organized as a not-for-profit corporation, I make this assertion based on the legal requirements that a not-for profit corporation has to follow concerning self-governance, operational formalities, record-keeping, reporting, and transparency, all of which are designed to benefit the membership of such an organization, and none of which apply to a for-profit sole proprietorship or close corporation. It appears that you have made the common mistake of confusing not-for-profit with "not profitable."I have no interest in "beat[ing] Frank out of his business." What I would like to see is the MGNOC evolve into a not-for-profit corporation, for the benefits that this would bring to the membership, potential new and returning members, and the marque, including the ability of the "club" to carry on after Frank is no longer able to continue. I don't think that a competing organization, and the internecine warfare that might result, is the answer. I do not know if such an evolution of the club is possible, but I'd still like to see it happen.Finally, I never said that Frank was actively misrepresenting the MGNOC as a not-for-profit corporation. What I am concerned about is that it is all too easy for people joining the MGNOC to make that false assumption, given that the business has the words "owner's club" in its name. My concern is based on the fact that an "owner's club" implies a voluntary association, organized as a not-for-profit corporation, owned and controlled by its members. One need only look at the Facebook comments that I copied in my prior post to see that this concern is real. Stop beating that poor horse and THINK.
I understand exactly what you are saying and I can't disagree with it and I can hardly wait for you to start your version of an Owner's Club. I won't join that one either but I will support your effort.
Geez , Luap may have to ban discussion of Frank and MGNOC for the same reason religous topics are banned :o ;) Dusty
Hey Dusty,How's the weather in Okie land??? We're getting more snow tomorrow up here.......and by the way I agree with you ;-T I just did a search on this same subject and found the same BS in every thread/post. The same people pro and con, and at this point I much prefer another oil thread.....Have a great weekend!Nick
LOL. I am reminded of this:
Tazio and I feel kinda sorry for the horse ;D Hey John , where do you stand on the red/blue controversy ? :D Dusty
