Author Topic: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution (Read 47965 times)

toddhaven · « **on:** August 18, 2011, 05:37:40 PM »

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OK guys there have been a lot of postings about this problem, and a few good fixes. They all involve some fiddling with wiring, a topic that many are not comfortable doing. The cause is known to those of us who have posted fixes, the trouble has been finding a way for the home DIY Guzzi guy to make his bike reliable.
I rarely feel that adding parts to a system is the best way to make it more reliable, but in this case it is.
MPH has sourced the connectors needed to make a plug and play voltage supply relay kit available.
Installation is as simple as can be , unplug your starter relay, plug in the harness, attach the removed relay to the harness, zip tie the OE removed relay to the supplied relay, and connect the 2 eyelets to the battery. We are using the well known Bosch relay and a Mini ATC fuse holder . In the rare event of a failure of any part of this system, you can unplug it all and be stock again in seconds.

-Mike Haven

This kit looks like it will sell for about $40 shipped in the US.
W have enough supplies on hand to make a few, but we are wondering how much call there will be for these.
Any volume production will take a few weeks to get ramped up.

Any interest?

ohiorider · « **Reply #1 on:** August 18, 2011, 05:47:17 PM »

Todd - this would also address potential 1200 Sport Startus Interruptus, right? Any interest? Yes .... if my 1200 Sport has the same potential problem as the B11 and N12, and I suspect it does. Matter of fact, if my 1200 Sport is prone to the same issue, bill my credit card (on file .... you should also have my mailing address), and ship the kit to me ...... but don't ship until at least Sept 10th ...... we'll be checking out Glacier Nat'l Park and other places of interest far from Hudson, Ohio.

Bob

blackcat · « **Reply #2 on:** August 18, 2011, 05:52:26 PM »

I'll take one. You have my credit card so just send it when you are up and running. Just PM me for shipping to FL or NY.

actwin · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2011, 06:22:46 PM »

Yea I'll take one too, send me a PM and I'll give you all my info. Thanks for helping us out.

Wildguzzi.com · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2011, 06:22:46 PM »

Crusty · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2011, 07:01:11 PM »

I'm interested.

gsf12man · « **Reply #5 on:** August 18, 2011, 07:19:03 PM »

I will very likely buy one too.

Slygrin · « **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2011, 07:50:27 PM »

I'm in for one when they're ready.

Frank Smith · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2011, 07:56:32 PM »

Damn, now I want to find a clean B or Norhay just to fix it with one of these kits. I do have affection for simple aftermarket solutions and addictions. Good job on those, Mike!

Kev m · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2011, 08:05:40 PM »

Looks like a good product and good value for those that want any easy solution. Good job guys ;-T

Nick · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2011, 08:08:49 PM »

Like BC stated:

"I'll take one. You have my credit card so just send it when you are up and running."

Nick

toddhaven · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2011, 09:51:35 PM »

Yes, it will also work on 1200 Sport.
We had to do this to one 05 Breva 750.
This kit will also address that same issue on B750, but we have only seen one occurrence, so I can't push it real hard.

kitze2 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2011, 10:14:36 PM »

I'll take one also.

I haven't heard about this being an issue on the SBs.

healeyblue · « **Reply #12 on:** August 18, 2011, 11:09:58 PM »

Add another to your list.

jreagan · « **Reply #13 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:13:06 AM »

Sure. Sign me up.

Mike Craven · « **Reply #14 on:** August 19, 2011, 09:55:38 AM »

I'll take one kit eventually. I'll wait to add with another order. Thanks.
Mike L-715

blackbuell · « **Reply #15 on:** August 19, 2011, 10:29:00 AM »

Put me on your list,

Jon Hastings

ajonen · « **Reply #16 on:** August 19, 2011, 11:15:09 AM »

I would order one, but the fix was so easy I already did it myself.
I can tell you buying the parts needed from autozone was about $20. So $40 for a simple solution should sell very quickly. ESPECIALLY if instructions are included.
My mantra is a tool/software/product is only as useful as its documentation.

Very cool.

mphcycles · « **Reply #17 on:** August 19, 2011, 11:49:23 AM »

After some peer review I have modified the part to eliminate the relay. I put it there because of the low Kl.15 voltage I measured on all the bikes. I have seen as much as a 6V drop on this circuit. Maybe I am over thinking it a bit. I hate voltage drops on anything.
It seems that Wayne's fixes have not seen any other effects of that low voltage, and this new set up simply addresses the low voltage to the start relay and not supplementing the whole bikes Kl 15 , ignition on circuit. This is much simpler to make and uses less parts, so we can offer it for less $$ . its gets you the same result of a reliable starter operation, but wont have any effect on anything else.

Dean Rose · « **Reply #18 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:00:09 PM »

I'll take one. Sell them to the factory.

Dean

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #19 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:16:59 PM »

Quote from: mphcycles on August 19, 2011, 11:49:23 AM

After some peer review I have modified the part to eliminate the relay. I put it there because of the low Kl.15 voltage I measured on all the bikes. I have seen as much as a 6V drop on this circuit. Maybe I am over thinking it a bit. I hate voltage drops on anything.
It seems that Wayne's fixes have not seen any other effects of that low voltage, and this new set up simply addresses the low voltage to the start relay and not supplementing the whole bikes Kl 15 , ignition on circuit. This is much simpler to make and uses less parts, so we can offer it for less $$ . its gets you the same result of a reliable starter operation, but wont have any effect on anything else.

Even though I usually prefer a simple solution. Your original idea with the relay to unload the ignition switch circuit is a pretty good idea too.

DanR · « **Reply #20 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:29:39 PM »

Since I did the Orwig fix to my Norge which I will be selling shortly it is not needed however has anyone heard of a Griso suffering the same condition ? I would be interested if they will become or are trouble prone.

mphcycles · « **Reply #21 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:37:46 PM »

Yes Dan we have had Griso's do it too. The CARC bikes and the B 750 all use the same setup on the start relay

jreagan · « **Reply #22 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:41:35 PM »

Quote from: mphcycles on August 19, 2011, 11:49:23 AM

After some peer review I have modified the part to eliminate the relay. I put it there because of the low Kl.15 voltage I measured on all the bikes. I have seen as much as a 6V drop on this circuit. Maybe I am over thinking it a bit. I hate voltage drops on anything.
It seems that Wayne's fixes have not seen any other effects of that low voltage, and this new set up simply addresses the low voltage to the start relay and not supplementing the whole bikes Kl 15 , ignition on circuit. This is much simpler to make and uses less parts, so we can offer it for less $$ . its gets you the same result of a reliable starter operation, but wont have any effect on anything else.

So this is more like the current solution floated around on the forums, yes? (other than the yellow wire cutting/splicing - replaced with the removable harness)

Kev m · « **Reply #23 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:49:59 PM »

Quote from: jreagan on August 19, 2011, 12:41:35 PM

Quote from: mphcycles on August 19, 2011, 11:49:23 AM
After some peer review I have modified the part to eliminate the relay. I put it there because of the low Kl.15 voltage I measured on all the bikes. I have seen as much as a 6V drop on this circuit. Maybe I am over thinking it a bit. I hate voltage drops on anything.
It seems that Wayne's fixes have not seen any other effects of that low voltage, and this new set up simply addresses the low voltage to the start relay and not supplementing the whole bikes Kl 15 , ignition on circuit. This is much simpler to make and uses less parts, so we can offer it for less $$ . its gets you the same result of a reliable starter operation, but wont have any effect on anything else.

So this is more like the current solution floated around on the forums, yes? (other than the yellow wire cutting/splicing - replaced with the removable harness)

I believe it is, but in a more elegant plug-n-play version! ;-T

DanR · « **Reply #24 on:** August 19, 2011, 01:05:14 PM »

Quote from: mphcycles on August 19, 2011, 12:37:46 PM

Yes Dan we have had Griso's do it too. The CARC bikes and the B 750 all use the same setup on the start relay

You got my card, send one when you can. BTW Thank you for overnighting the Griso Tank bag to me in North Carolina, got it in time.

Adk.IBO · « **Reply #25 on:** August 19, 2011, 01:42:38 PM »

Please post when they're ready with a firm price and I can see me in on it.
Thanks,
John

gsf12man · « **Reply #26 on:** August 19, 2011, 01:50:27 PM »

I'll change my "likely" to "definitely" as soon as you are good to go on it.

rodekyll · « **Reply #27 on:** August 19, 2011, 03:09:22 PM »

I prefer the relay version, but then, I likes me my relays.

jreagan · « **Reply #28 on:** August 19, 2011, 04:12:31 PM »

Sure. I'm still in with the new revised adapter (ie, no extra relay). I have the wire/fuse-holder on my workbench (too lazy to install), but I like the plug-n-play (plus I get to support the community).

DRM 53 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 19, 2011, 05:34:34 PM »

If this will work on an '04 Breva 750 also,I'll take one too.Wife blew a couple 10 amp fuses last week trying to start it,she put in a 15 amp.I had been searching for Mike's solution,thought it was for the 750 and searched it that way.Nice timing, Thanks !

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