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It's ever worse than I feared for HD. Their press release states in can travel an estimated 110 miles of URBAN road on a single charge....[snip]
Sorry , this is like the $30K Motus , which is a wonderful motorbike by all accounts , but maybe no better than a $20K Honda . They will sell a few just because , but Zero is already established and builds a brilliant if limited use motorbike for much less . Predicting this thing will languish in dealer showrooms like the V-Rod and Buells did , and they were competent motorbikes . Time will tell , but the MoCo is grasping with this thing . Dusty
Do you think with the ever tightening environmental concerns that all manufacturer's would be wise to start marketing electric stuff no matter the cost right now? It's my opinion that before electric vehicles become the standard, breakthroughs in more efficient batteries are necessary' Electric is for some but not for me..
It would seem to be a good idea , and if HD had brought this thing in at a competitive price I would see this differently . This E-vehicle thing is something I've been studying for years , even Kevin Cameron has written extensively about the technology . My understanding is that storage capability has doubled on average every 7 years . There will be no big breakthrough that allows for a sudden leap , it is slow and grinding work that has got us where we are now . My interest is purely academic . I only drive about 1,000 miles a year now , and ride about 6,000 miles , so I have no emotional ties to IC or E technology , but real world experts say E vehicles are coming , Sweden is already a fairly large market for Tesla . Americans tend to be a bit hidebound to old tech , hot water tanks instead of tankless heaters which are not only more efficient but more durable . The Zero brand will be the heavy hitters in the 2 wheeled market , already established and all . Dusty
Traveling in Europe is a bit different than traveling in the states. How big is Sweden compared to the USA? We have counties within states that are as big as European countries. If I drive 300 miles from east to west in Pennsylvania I'm still in Pennsylvania. Do that in Europe and you might have gone over 3 borders. We also have lots of natural resources and access to cost effective fuels so as long as gasoline and fuel oil are cheap internal combustion engines will right wrong or indifferent reign supreme in the US of A for a long time.
Americans tend to be a bit hidebound to old tech , hot water tanks instead of tankless heaters which are not only more efficient but more durable. Dusty
I do admit to be slow to adopt new technology until I can see that it's not just subsidized hype, or causes my life more damage than benefit, but I HAVE investigated both gas and electric tankless water heaters vs both gas and electric storage tanks, and when response time and total cost are considered, none of the plumbers I've talked to recommend tankless FOR OUR APPLICATION. (This was a WG topic some years back, too). Our power company has installed a "smart switch" on our hot water tank, that's operated by modulating the 110V power, and which shuts down our water heater under certain time/demand conditions and really saves on the power. And it's going to be a slow grind increasing the energy density of batteries vs. gasoline; gasoline has over a 100 to 1 advantage over batteries in energy stored per volume. Unless someone gets with Larry Niven and asks him how the Kzinti "molecular distortion" battery works, and until someone figures out how to "fill the tank" in 2 minutes, electric is always going to have extremely limited application, just like the past 110 years .... there are millions of people criss-crossing this country every year "Seeing The USA In Their Chevrolet", probably more than before our time, when there were trains running, and before everyone flying on a plane had to agree to be sexually molested by the TSA to go anywhere ..Lannis
There's an old saying "never say never" I think I can safely say I WILL NEVER OWN AN ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE, regardless of brand and you guys can hold me hold me to :)
110 mile range? I'd want at least 10% in reserve, so 100 mi?Way too limited in range to be practical. I recently bought an electric pedal-assist bicycle--I think that's the best application of the technology at this point.Rich
Maybe , maybe not . This board is made up of old guys , in discussion with people in their 20's they are already wanting E vehicles , and in a few short years we will all be gone and won't matter . I get that we are a large country , but how many Americans really take long car trips anymore ? Dusty
Lets say you ride an E-bike for 30K miles. How much have you saved in maintenance costs, especially if one relys on a dealer for the work? That is significant. GliderJohn
Like a turd/On a Wire...
How many Europeans drive 10, 20 50 or 100 miles one way to work everyday? My wife and I drive 50+ miles each way. Over 90% of the people I work with drive at least 30 miles one way to work. You don't have to take long summer car trips once a year to warrant some driving range. As for the tankless water heater debate its all about the fuel source you have available. Tankless water heaters are great if you have access to NG or LP not so good if you have fuel oil. Sure if you have a hydronic heating system being fed by a fuel oil fired boiler you can get a boiler with a domestic coil and basically have a tankless water heater. But then you burn fuel oil year round. I have a hydronic hot water heating system and chose to not purchase a domestic coil as I did not want to consume fuel oil year round. Interestingly every street but mine has NG. 18 years ago when I was getting ready to install a new boiler I called the gas company to see about getting and extension to my house about 250' from the closest main. I told them I would do a total conversion dryer, water heater, range and boiler. They wanted $10,000 to connect. So its been fuel oil and an electric water heater for me for the last 18 years and will be fuel oil and an electric water heater for me for the forseeable future. Granted I'm no house plumber running a putty wagon but I've had a little exposure to the plumbing/pipfitting trade.
Likely I won't either , and maybe hydrogen fuel cell tech will be the dominant tech in 30 years , but it is also likely only a few of us will be around anyway . However , tech is never static , change is slow but steady . Would you have predicted that Oklahoma would be producing over 20% of its electricity with wind in 2018 ? How many of us saw the home computer computer revolution ? My grandparents couldn't even envision a day when almost every home would have air conditioning , and forget about the microwave oven , that would be voodoo . Dusty
Americans tend to be a bit hidebound to old tech , hot water tanks instead of tankless heaters which are not only more efficient but more durable . The Zero brand will be the heavy hitters in the 2 wheeled market , already established and all .
