"Super" Lario/LM1 SB clone build w/Bubs music

[kevdog3019]

;-T Coming right along nicely kevdog, If there is some way to incorporate the knee reliefs from the tank into the rear sides of the seat cowl  I think it would bring it all together. Besides what the hell do I know?? :BEER:

   Paul

Nice suggestion Paul, thank you.  I'm taking requests, so please feel free to suggest.

[kevdog3019]

Having an awful time seating the rings on this thing.  :P  I've got to keep the revs up, load it as often as possible, and wring its neck through the local back roads.  This thing spins up so fast and is such a rush.  Finally finding out what it's all about now that I've got the fueling where it should be.  It's really quite stunning!   :o ;-T  

[tusong200]

It is true that you can push the forks through the tt and get yourself some better handling.  Suggested by Dave Richardson in Guzziology.      

I assume you mean lowering the front end a bit at the 'tt' (triple tree)? Is that something that Richardson mentions specifically for Larios or just in general?? I can't seem to find it in the book.....page?? Regardless, that's a technique that I have generally used on every sport bike I've ever owned (except for my '84 500 Interceptor which handled great right out of the box.) I was urged to try it in the early 80's by Danny Coe who, at that time, held the Formula 3 track record at Willow Springs. It was a tremendous improvement.

Also, what tires are those on the "Super"? I'm just about ready for new tires on my "Mario", have Pirelli Demons on it now.

Anxiously waiting for another update.....this weekend???

[tusong200]

Aha!! Found it .....very last paragraph of chapter 20.

[kevdog3019]

Yeah... I raised the back 10mm as well which on my bike worked well.  Somebody else mentioned their rails got in the way even around stock height.  So... you'd need to look at that.  I just wanted to look to be higher in back as it was below stock height by the PO's shock selection.  Anyhow, I did push mine through the TT well over an inch (Marzzochi's) so that the sump bottom sits about level now with the road.  Works great for mine.  Certainly doesn't dive down in front when sitting on it.  Very neutral.  Won't change it and maybe just lucky with my thinking.  Dave doesn't suggest much with stock set-up from what I remember.  
-Kevin  

[tusong200]

Yeah..He says 1/2".

But you're right.....I think the look of the bike is much cooler with the engine parallel to the frame/wheels.

....Tires??

[kevdog3019]

Sorry... Pirelli MT75 front and back. Back has a 120/80-16 on it, front 100/80-16 on it.

[tusong200]

Thanks!! Glad I asked! I had no idea I could get radials that would fit this bike. I would imagine an enormous improvement in handling.

I'll be upgrading sooner rather than later.

[kevdog3019]

Thanks!! Glad I asked! I had no idea I could get radials that would fit this bike. I would imagine an enormous improvement in handling.

I'll be upgrading sooner rather than later.

I'm sticking with these for sure.  Little lower profile (80mm vs. 90mm) that also (very minimally) helps the grunt factor down low.  Pirelli's are my fav.
K

[kevdog3019]

More seat work today to work on line.  I wasn't liking the straightness of the tank to seat transition, so upon suggestion of my friend I came up with this.  This will be upholstered over of course in either black or tan.  Or I may go with a black and tan seat.  Suggestions welcome.  Thinking seat area tan and the cowl back and sides and seat sides black.  

[wrbix]

Thanks!! Glad I asked! I had no idea I could get radials that would fit this bike.

Nope, not radials.

Per Pirelli:

A tire with a conventional structure suitable for sporting use on small and medium-powered bikes in all weather conditions.

[tusong200]

Yeah, I see that now...

Just about every tire source on line lists these as radials....Oh well...

[kevdog3019]

Charlie says American Motorcycle Tire has them for $150 pair and free shipping.  Good price. 

[Muzz]

That second photo appears to show that it has a dustbin fairing! ;) ;D

Watching the thread with interest. ;-T

[kevdog3019]

That second photo appears to show that it has a dustbin fairing! ;) ;D

Watching the thread with interest. ;-T

Good eye with that pic!  A little slow going here as I'm busy with work and having to ride this monster. I rode my V11 Lemans yesterday for the first time in quite awhile and thought I'd never say this, but this super Lario is WAY more of a hoot to ride. Stops better, handles better and the engine/carb set-up is more instantaneous in delivery. I feel much more connected to things. Little scary at first how disconnected/vague the Lemans felt overall. Never felt that way before.  The build will be slow to finish as I need to think before jumping into it. Riding it now is the main goal while the weather is ripe. This winter I can get a lot of the small detailed stuff done like hiding the bits in the battery compartment. Will try to get the front fender worked out sooner rather than later also.
Kevin

[tusong200]

That second photo appears to show that it has a dustbin fairing! ;) ;D

Haha....very cute...

I've actually considered plastic ammo boxes for a set of hardbags. Plano makes one about 10 x 15 x 8...maybe just a little too small for round the world trip but good enough for the week. Next size up is maybe a little too big.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/211622/plano-medium-field-box-15-x-8-x-10-polymer-camo?cm_vc=ProductFinding

The fact that these are top openers is very attractive to me as well as the price...less than $20. I figure esay enough to fabricate a lean and mean rack.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

Haha....very cute...

I've actually considered plastic ammo boxes for a set of hardbags. Plano makes one about 10 x 15 x 8...maybe just a little too small for round the world trip but good enough for the week. Next size up is maybe a little too big.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/211622/plano-medium-field-box-15-x-8-x-10-polymer-camo?cm_vc=ProductFinding

The fact that these are top openers is very attractive to me as well as the price...less than $20. I figure esay enough to fabricate a lean and mean rack.

If you don't mind side-loaders, Plano also makes these nice hard cases, available on eBay for ~ $50 a pair.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Hmmmmm..... Cheap. I likes that.. ;-T

[kevdog3019]

Looks like final numbers for 36 PHF carbs is 264 atomizer/165 mains. She likes fuel but the 265/150's was just way rich between 3-5k RPM. It's taken an entire riding season to try the pieces and slowly work through it, but it is smooth as glass all the way up and linear as it gets. Plugs look great. The pull up top keeps going like on all Larios, but this one happens to be much bigger. All around it feels like a race bike that's been tamed. It's fascinating to ride something that seems to do everything damned well when you ask it to.
-Kevin

[kevdog3019]

Getting around to the front fender now. Slimmed it down and cut it to length but need some feedback as to length front and back. Looking about like the stock LM 1 at the moment (length). At this length it is very practical and I'm a fan of the LM 1, so...

[Chuck in Indiana]

Pumper carbs? Part numbers? Starting to get stuff together....

[kevdog3019]

Pumper carbs? Part numbers? Starting to get stuff together....

PHF 36 w/pumpers yes.

[raoul]

I like the fender length and style as pictured.  I'm also anxiously awaiting pictures of the finalized seat.  Have you made more progress on that?

[kevdog3019]

I like the fender length and style as pictured.  I'm also anxiously awaiting pictures of the finalized seat.  Have you made more progress on that?

Good question Raoul.  I am talking to Corrina in NY as an upholsterer.  I think the seat is most important now and have been trying to wrap my head around style, materials and colors.  I have to make up fix up the seat pan next then send it out.  I want it done sooner rather than later also so I'm with you in the anxious department.  Thanks for the comments on the fender.  It's taken some getting used to with a fender sitting on it at all. 
-Kevin 

[kevdog3019]

This is why I like feedback. Just talked to my friend and he suggests a small fender since I'm going fender less or (possibly) small fender in rear (some day??).
Anyhow, I've come to the realization that the bigger picture looks better with the small as he suggests. You can see the line scribed about 6" rearward of the forks. This is where the cut would be made. Look ok to your eyes?  Smaller?

[lc4dakar]

When I cut my front fender, I will leave the front as is and make the rear the same length as the front.

[kevdog3019]

When I cut my front fender, I will leave the front as is and make the rear the same length as the front.

This is equidistant both sides also.  It will be red like the bike and not stick out so much, but wondering if smaller yet might be nice?

[Triple Jim]

Not sure if you've experienced a front fender that's short at the rear, but you'll get a lot of road dirt on the engine and up under the gas tank, especially after a rain.

[lc4dakar]

That is pure personal taste.  I think stock front length and equal length rear are pretty much the minimum cut.
Also the easiest because you only have one cut  ;D

Once it's done and I have the seat and tank mounted I will look at it and see if I still like it.  It's easy to make shorter, harder to make longer.

[kevdog3019]

Not sure if you've experienced a front fender that's short at the rear, but you'll get a lot of road dirt on the engine and up under the gas tank, especially after a rain.

Oh yeah, well aware of the negatives. My conundrum is aesthetics. Is it weird to have traditional at the front and nothing on the rear?  If I deviate, I have a splash of color at the front (red fender bobbed) and it becomes useless from a functional standpoint. Hmmm...