2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest

[Kev m]

What gauntlet?

I raised an issue about Moto Guzzi's failure to say when the V7 II will be available in Canada and the U.S., and expressed the view that that failure will have an impact on 2015 V7 sales in North America, and that this will be exacerbated by Ducati's introduction of its Scrambler, and all hell breaks loose.

I get attacked. Ducati gets attacked. Thailand gets attacked. The New York Motorcycle Show gets attacked.

Do you really not see the problem?

"Attacked" is an often overused word on the internet.

If you're saying your ideas or complaints were challenged, sure. That's the point of a debate and many (most?) discussions become that, especially on the net.

But Piaggio NA has basically said when it will come to the US the same way they've said every other model for more than a decade. The answer is "next year" and even IF they gave a month only a fool with no awareness of their recent history would believe it.

We answered your concern over V7 sales lost due to uncertainty of release dates and competition from the Ducati on multiple fronts.

A. Sales volume (Guzzi is small enough they don't seem to care, and the Duc may be "a" competitor that some will cross shop, but most will buy one or the other and not think about it).

B. Give US dealers a chance to sell down current inventory.

I've got no problem with Ducati (see signature), or Thailand (coated one of yesterday's turkeys with Thai peanut sauce, and I may buy a new Bonnie one of these days), but I'll admit to emotionally preferring an Italian bike made in Italy, a British bike made in the UK, or an American bike made here... Heck even a JAPanInc. bike made IN Japan. That isn't an attack on Thailand and is hardly unreasonable. I don't see where anyone (maybe I missed it) actually attacked Thailand.

The IMS is not everyone's cup o' tea. Having attended it professionally for a decade I tired of it and realized, like most auto shows there's almost nothing you can't find in showrooms, for free, with less of a crowd.

We also laid out the realities and costs of presenting at such a show and explained why it probably doesn't make sense for MG at this time.

I'm sorry, but you were basically told you had unrealistic expectations by those who better understand the brand and you can't seem to accept it.

[redge]

Hi Kev m,

Let me get this straight. I live in Italy for a good part of the year, I'm a Piaggio client, my dealer there has been a Piaggio affiliate for over 30 years and you're telling me that I don't understand Piaggio and its brands.

[Kev m]

Hi Kev m,

Let me get this straight. I live in Italy for a good part of the year, I'm a Piaggio client, my dealer there has been a Piaggio affiliate for over 30 years and you're telling me that I don't understand Piaggio and its brands.

No, I said you don't understand Moto Guzzi and the niche part it plays in the US.

Which is probably true of your 30 year dealer in Italy too.

[redge]

No, I said you don't understand Moto Guzzi and the niche part it plays in the US.

I don't give a damn about Moto Guzzi's role in the U.S. market. I just want to know when the V7 II will be available in Canada and the U.S. Shouldn't be a real hard question to answer, and I've sent them an email asking.

Don't know why that leads to personal attacks, repeated assertions by certain people here that amount to telling other people that they are either stupid or don't "understand "the brand, statements about Thailand that are obviously racist and attacks on, of all things, a motorcycle show (including a claim by you that Triumph is not participating, which mostly shows that you don't know what you are talking about).

[Demar]

But there are certain posts in that relegated thread that you are all steadfastly ignoring; specifically the ones that suggest that this forum is a hangout for a bunch of cliquey, knowledgeable but snobbish old men. True?

Not me. I don't know shit about motorcycles.

[Demar]

I may buy a new Bonnie one of these days

If you buy one you will like it. The fit and finish is excellent and it's a very good bike for what it is. My 2010 T100 was my "get back into motorcycling" bike. The Stelvio handles better that the T100 FWIW.

[Kev m]

I don't give a damn about Moto Guzzi's role in the U.S. market. I just want to know when the V7 II will be available in Canada and the U.S. Shouldn't be a real hard question to answer, and I've sent them an email asking.

Don't know why that leads to personal attacks, repeated assertions by certain people here that amount to telling other people that they are either stupid or don't "understand "the brand, statements about Thailand that are obviously racist and attacks on, of all things, a motorcycle show (including a claim by you that Triumph is not participating, which mostly shows that you don't know what you are talking about).

:'( <--- you hurt my feelings.


:P look, the only time I remotely attacked you was when I justifiably compared your "redge-centric" attitude to that of a me first toddler.

Not giving a "damn" about the role of MG in the US market either proves the point of those alleged attacks or that you're not listening to the replies which have explained why this small niche player in the market has a history of not being clear about such dates since they are fluid and based on changing factors that are out of their control.

I already answered your supposed personal or racist attack claims.

I also explained that I was talking historically about Triumph and that, because of extensive experience with the show I have no interest in it anymore so WHY would you have expected me to know that Triumph had returned?

If you care to raise a new issue or question I'll do my best to answer or discuss, but rehashing this stuff is a waste of time.

I do honestly think you should buy the Duc for multiple reasons already stated, but to restate:

1. Available MUCH sooner.
2. Guzzi has horrible resale value in the US.
3. NOT mentioned yet, but stronger dealer network.

[Kev m]

Kev m , give your pooter a good whack , what is the "inherent" ? ;D

:D computer? You mean phone with Swype and auto correct. :-[

[oldbike54]

Kev m , was only kidding about whacking your pooter   ;D

  Dusty

[Kev m]

If you buy one you will like it. The fit and finish is excellent and it's a very good bike for what it is. My 2010 T100 was my "get back into motorcycling" bike. The Stelvio handles better that the T100 FWIW.

I'm sure I will eventually.

We've been talking about the possibility for years. And I've liked the many I've ridden.

But I appreciate every testimonial.

[Kev m]

Kev m , was only kidding about whacking your pooter   ;D

  Dusty

Too late... Hurts now, can't sit... :-\

[redge]

Hi Kev m,

You're right. Continued discussion between us is a waste of time.

[Kev m]

Hi Kev m,

You're right. Continued discussion between us is a waste of time.

Glad you recognize that I'm the only one being civil and reasonable here.  ;)

Ride safe.

[Turin]

This has to be one of the biggest Troll threads I've seen on here since Enzo was around. Redge, you're not a professional window washer by any chance are you ?

[Penderic]

 :pop

Well, there goes that notion!

[redge]

Glad you recognize that I'm the only one being civil and reasonable here.  ;)

Ride safe.

Lord that's childish.

What's wrong with the people who dominate this site?

Attacks on individuals who don't tow the line. Attacks on bikes made by other manufacturers. Attacks on Asian workers. Attacks on motorcycle shows that Piaggio doesn't attend. A self-congratulatory attack on a two-bit forum post on advrider.

Really?

[oldbike54]

Well now , probably a good time for a reality check . Let's see , " I prefer my bikes to be assembled by Caucasians" , who said that , was it ................Red ge ? Well golly , yes it was . And who is bitching about Piaggio , why , once again , it is Redge . Geez , this is really getting repetitive fellas .

Dusty

[Aaron D.]

I forget, what was the question?

[redge]

Well now , probably a good time for a reality check . Let's see , " I prefer my bikes to be assembled by Caucasians" , who said that , was it ................Red ge ? Well golly , yes it was .

I am just stunned that you took that literally.

[oldbike54]

I am just stunned that you took that literally.

Considering that you took all of my comments literally , I am also stunned  :o Really dude , at least be consistent  ;)

  Dusty

[redge]

Considering that you took all of my comments literally , I am also stunned  :o Really dude , at least be consistent  ;)

  Dusty

Dusty, who are you kidding? There are several overtly racist statements in this thread and it is perfectly obvious that I was expressing a problem with that.

The people who run, and participate in, this forum really need to have a serious look in a mirror.

[Demar]

Can't we all just get along?

[Joliet Jim]

Can't we all just get along?

I think this thread has already answered that question.

[redge]

I think this thread has already answered that question.

I think that you're right. I'm astounded at some of what people say on this site. It's like a throwback to the 50s.

[redge]

I forget, what was the question?

This is what led to a bunch of self-appointed Moto Guzzi "experts" to spend four pages going after me, Ducati,Thai workers and the New York motorcycle show:

I plan to buy a new bike, and ABS is one of my requirements.

I'll be going to the New York Motorcycle Show on 12 December where I'll be able to check out, and indeed order, either of two of the three bikes that I'm considering (the Triumph Street Triple and the new Ducati Scrambler).

I won't be able to even see the third bike in which I'm interested. Neither Moto Guzzi nor any of its dealers will be at the show, and there is no information on when the V7 II with ABS will be available in the U.S. and/or Canada.

It would be very helpful if Moto Guzzi would say something before 12 December about when its V7 II bikes will be available in the US and Canada and at what prices.

If they don't, I think that there's a pretty good likelihood that Ducati will take most of Moto Guzzi's potential 2015 V7 sales, and that this could continue, and indeed escalate, into 2016.

[oldbike54]

Dusty, who are you kidding? There are several overtly racist statements in this thread and it is perfectly obvious that I was expressing a problem with that.

The people who run, and participate in, this forum really need to have a serious look in a mirror.

Yep , you forgot misogynistic and homophobic also  ;) Actually , every time I look in a mirror it cracks  :o

  Dusty

[rocker59]

The people who run, and participate in, this forum really need to have a serious look in a mirror.

Have you got one handy? You should probably use it.

Your posts have "troll" written all over them.

Your days here are numbered  without a positive turn.

[redge]

Your days here are numbered  without a positive turn.

My days here are over. Will enjoy the New York motorcycle show December 12, will be in Sicily for Christmas and in Paris for New Year's. Enjoy 2015.

[Kev m]

My days here are over. Will enjoy the New York motorcycle show December 12, will be in Sicily for Christmas and in Paris for New Year's. Enjoy 2015.

I don't believe you anymore.

Have fun.

[fotoguzzi]

My days here are over. Will enjoy the New York motorcycle show December 12, will be in Sicily for Christmas and in Paris for New Year's. Enjoy 2015.

BYE!