Could Tennessee be next?

[dilligaf]

 :+1
Last week he argued that a helmet could save someone's life in a crash, but if that same helmet snags on something after a motorcyclist falls off the motorcycle, "that helmet can end your life."
And that is why you should always wear a full coverage helmet.  Dress to slide and survive.
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/13/senators-reverse-course-revive-bill-repeal-helmet-law/25714145/
 :BEER:
Matt

[lrutt]

All for repealing it. I hate nanny state laws. I wear a helmet most of the time, but because I want to, not because some pinhead in the state legislature thinks I should.

Don't know about the argument of it snagging on something and causing injury. Chances are you are already going to have some significant injury anyhow.

[hlmiskelly]

I have no problem with a rider not wearing a helmet...so long as he is required to be sufficiently insured to ensure care for any catastrophic head injuries doesn't depend on my tax dollars. 

[dilligaf]

In the late 60ties the US Air Force published an article in their safety magazine "The Air Force Driver" warning about the possibility of serious injury caused by a helmet snagging.  Quit a lengthy and informative article.  Almost 50 years later I remember these words; Do not trust the DOT sticker.  Always select a helmet certified by a second party".  At that time the only second party I knew of was SNEII.  I do not think testing a helmet's ability to slide is part of the SNELL or DOT certification but these folks do. http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/home  My experience has been that if you have the good luck to slide  and you are dressed properly your chances of survival with little or no injury is quite high.  :BEER:
Matt

[Bill N]

In the late 60ties the US Air Force published an article in their safety magazine "The Air Force Driver" warning about the possibility of serious injury caused by a helmet snagging.  Quit a lengthy and informative article.  Almost 50 years later I remember these words; Do not trust the DOT sticker.  Always select a helmet certified by a second party".  At that time the only second party I knew of was SNEII.  I do not think testing a helmet's ability to slide is part of the SNELL or DOT certification but these folks do. http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/home  My experience has been that if you have the good luck to slide  and you are dressed properly your chances of survival with little or no injury is quite high.  :BEER:
Matt

My friend proved your theory a few days ago. He took a dive at 45 MPH and slid on the chin part of the helmet, then the helmet. His boot toe was worn to the metal. Helmet, jacket boot and riding pants ruined. Bottom line minor scrapes on his arms. Likely fatal and/or painful without the gear.
Bill

[Kiwi_Roy]

I believe FF helmets are dangerous, for me at any rate, they cut down my ability to do a shoulder check.


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[Guzzistajohn]

I have no problem with a rider not wearing a helmet...so long as he is required to be sufficiently insured to ensure care for any catastrophic head injuries doesn't depend on my tax dollars. 

THAT is the real issue :+1 :+1 :+1 ;-T ;-T ;-T

[bad Chad]

THAT is the real issue :+1 :+1 :+1 ;-T ;-T ;-T

But what about the percentage of riders, and we know there are more than single digits, who will not purchase sufficient insurance?   They are going to ride, they are going to crash and they are going to eat up millions of dollars.   They are going to impact the system, right?

[CBJoe]

I believe FF helmets are dangerous, for me at any rate, they cut down my ability to do a shoulder check.


Sent from my shoe phone!

I rarely jump into this type of discussion, but I've never had a problem Shoulder Checking with a nice full face helmet.  Maybe you haven't used the right one.  I will agree that some helmets are worse than others on the peripheral viewing, but that doesn't mean they are all bad.  Also, proper fitment for your head.  We're not all shaped the same and that can make a helmet to helmet difference.  

Personally getting hit in the forehead or chin by a june bug going 100mpg sounds worse.

But do what you do...ain't no thing to me (as long as I dont have to pay ;) )

Cheers, Joe

[dilligaf]

Half helmets should have never been approved for motorcycles use.   ::(  :BEER:
Matt

[Perazzimx14]

I don't care if you want to ride naked its your business. I really feel that the biggest benefit would be is states implement a tier license system. But that is a different kettle of fish.

 

[Mark_Z]

Being the teensiest bit claustrphobic, I wear a so-called half helmet. In the event of an accident and subsequent snagging of the faceshield, the shield isn't attached so firmly that it would be a saftey concern. Tennesse already has mandatory helmet laws, so what is being changed?

[pete mcgee]

Been riding for over 37 years and I've never heard of a helmet being snagged, full face or otherwise. That may change shortly now that a lot of people are mounting go pros or dash cam type cameras on their helmets.
I have however seen the results of face planting in an open face helmet, not pretty.
I personally have been saved by a full face helmet countless times from birds, rocks, bees, locust's, sand and hail that I won't use a full face. No I've never come off and hit my head, hopefully never will.
The ulitmate cure and believe me its being worked on is to ban motorcycles.
So we all know we take a higher level of risk of injury every time we get on a bike, some people mitigate the risk by riding with ATGATT, others by wearing a helmet and some the shorts and singlet, flip flops and cool sunnies as the limit of their protective apparel.
Usually if you dont look after youself big brother will, even in the land of the "free" and home of the brave, its worse in other countries.
So you pick your own level of possible injury from nothing except a bruised ego through to being a cabbage watered 3 times a week or death.
Will ATGATT save you every time, nup, in these daze of mobil phone addicted/distracted car drivers that would be impossible.
All you can do is minimise your consequences, your "rights" arent worth a damn if you are permanently disabled and sitting drooling in the corner unable to not poop yourself and not even know you've done it.
Your call really.

[wrbix]

Uh oh, Dayum, and f'ing A - I'm gonna stop wearing leathers, boots, gloves, scarves, sunglasses, ear plugs

 - they could all snag on something and injure me riding my motorbike!

[fotoguzzi]

I like my face the way it is,

I have however seen the results of face planting in an open face helmet, not pretty.

indeed.

[travelingbyguzzi]

 I, myse have slid down a city sidewalk on my face. Tore the hell out of the chinbar on my fullface helmet. I will never not wear one.
You however, if your state allows it, may do whatever you wish. As long as you are over 18 and not drunk.

[atavar]

THAT is the real issue :+1 :+1 :+1 ;-T ;-T ;-T

:+1
I agree with this.  I have also long stated that insurance companies should be able to require helmets if they so desire, and should be able to charge a premium for no-helmet (or jacket or boot or glove) coverage.  The state has no business requiring helmets, but insurance companies are a natural place for this restriction if it is to exist at all.
The bug in this ointment is that insurance companies would much rather you died than survived with injuries.  Death is cheaper to cover.

[dilligaf]

The article in the AF Driver magazine spoke to danger of attaching things to your helmet.  GoPro's didn't exist in those days.  ;D so the authors would go snake s**t today.  I own a GoPro and no way will I attach it to my helmet.  The article did stress the use of 3/4 or full face over 1/2 helmets as being less likely to sang. I have no idea where the data support the idea of a helmet snagging came from but, being an official safety publication, they must have had something.  Tennessee appears to be the first state to take snagging into consideration.

As to the ratio of deaths to reported accidents, SCDOT personal were the ones who called it to my attention at a motorcycle safety meeting at the Charleston Naval Station.  This would have been 1969 or 70.  They knew but, USDOT controlled their grant moneys and no way were they going publicly disagree.  Forty years later, as a member of the SC Motorcycle Safety Task Force, USDOT would provide grant money to study reinstating the mortuary helmet law but would not give us money to study the effect of motorcycle safety education for riders.  Again, they knew.

Currently I'm wearing a flip face (I know. Modular) and I am a wear of the danger but I it was on close out so I got it cheap.  ~;  :BEER:
Matt

[atavar]

In our society cheap will win out over good most often..  Helmets are like most things, you have three choices -

1. Cheap
2. Pretty
3. Good
Pick two...

[fotoguzzi]

modular Nolan saved my face.. glad I had it down at the time.. sometimes I get claustrophobic in my FF Shoei but that's the one I put the GoPro on.

bump to 720p please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM6D1mQswaE

[old as dirt 2]

as a resident of Tn I am not for a no helmet law. this WILL increase my insurance rates with out a doubt.  

[canuguzzi]

There were lots of stories, mostly repeated and probably exaggerated about people not being able to get out of burning cars because of seat belts. Same thing with the helmet stories I bet.

I'm with that insurance idea. So long as people know the risks and then take care of themselves when the worst happens, ride bare brained.

The palms, chin and face in that order of impact would seem to apply though.

There are too many laws about things like this though. If someone wants their cheeks blown out, grit in their hair, who is anyone to say different? Just pay your own way is all.

[blackcat]

I can't imagine that a helmet mounted GoPro would put up much of any resistance in a crash.

[Two Checks]

THAT is the real issue :+1 :+1 :+1 ;-T ;-T ;-T

No, the real issue there is why are tax dollars being used for this in the first place?

[lrutt]

But what about the percentage of riders, and we know there are more than single digits, who will not purchase sufficient insurance?   They are going to ride, they are going to crash and they are going to eat up millions of dollars.   They are going to impact the system, right?

Yea, same for bicycles, oh and a pedestrian crossing the road might get hit by a car so better wear full battle gear. And those pesky steps, better keep the gear on all the way to the office.

[dilligaf]

I can't imagine that a helmet mounted GoPro would put up much of any resistance in a crash.

The vents and stuff attached to the outside of my helmet is very fragile. It takes almost nothing to crack and come loose. Once again the idea is to allow the helmet to slide.  Sooooo....how much resistance is to much?  I have no idea and I prefer not to find out. But at the same time you are reading the ravings of a real nut job when it comes to motorcycle helmets.  For example I am very leery of helmets with the drop down visors. Currently I'm wearing a basic flip face certified by the manufacture, a company I trust, but I prefer a basic full face helmet certified by SNELL. No whistles and no bells. If your helmet is only certified by the manufacture then it's LET THE BUYER BEWARE.   P:)  :BEER:
Matt

[hlmiskelly]

But what about the percentage of riders, and we know there are more than single digits, who will not purchase sufficient insurance?   They are going to ride, they are going to crash and they are going to eat up millions of dollars.   They are going to impact the system, right?

Much as we hate being told what to do by the Government, obtaining a Motorcycle license - hell, even a general driver's license - should require proof of insurance.  In Alabama this is a legal requirement but I never see any proof it is being enforced.

[dilligaf]

When stopped by one of our local police officers for no headlight I was asked ; What the M on my license was for.  True story.  No the laws are not being enforced when it comes to license requirement.  However, at the SC Motorcycle Safety Taskforce meetings I and my fellow ABATE members repeatedly brought this up. "if they don't have a motorcycle endorsement make them park the motorcycle and walk".  Not me but the SCABATE State Coordinator.    P:)  :BEER:
Matt

[Rotten Ralph]

Uh oh - I smell another helmet thread. :pop

[travelingbyguzzi]

Not 100% sure, but I think in WA state a gopro attached to yer helmet is illegal. As are music earphones. This is because our legislators don't ride motorcycles.