Author Topic: Anyone using Windows 10? (Read 72545 times)

K250 · « **Reply #270 on:** July 10, 2016, 07:58:35 PM »

I've got Windows 10 on one laptop and Windows 7 on another. Would be really hard pressed to notice any difference other than the top of the internet browser looks different.

Muzz · « **Reply #271 on:** July 10, 2016, 11:15:50 PM »

Quote from: ITSec on June 28, 2016, 02:00:44 PM

An 8-year-old machine is not a good candidate for an upgrade past Windows 7, as the driver structure changed for Win8 and again for Win10 (big change). Even if the upgrade is successful, it will likely have more quirks than an old Moto Guzzi (Guzzi content! ). A good rule of thumb is that machines no older than 5 years old can usually be upgraded with a bit of care, and those built in the last three years are usually no hassle at all (other than the usual privacy concerns, of course).

He ran a lot of diagnostics, no actual faults found but it still would not update. As I want the machine to run for about another year I ended up getting the latest WD 1tb Black HD and he put W10 on that, and swapped everything over. I will use the new HD as a backup on the future build. When I first built the thing I future proofed as much as I could, and it is still remarkably quick.

Machine is back on steroids again.

Back to being very quick and so far no hassles at all.

Muzz · « **Reply #272 on:** July 18, 2016, 05:54:31 PM »

A bit over a week later and I must say I am one happy camper. W10 is loading really fast, and the later incarnation of the WD Caviar Black is way faster than the early model that we took out and the 'pooter is running as it should do. So far we have had absolutely no hassles. Finding some of the tweaks that MS don't want you to know about can be a bit tricky. However, my friend who did the swapover has already done most of them for me.

StuCorpe · « **Reply #273 on:** July 18, 2016, 06:14:05 PM »

It went quite well on my desktop for the 1st 6 months, then I started to get "this program is not compatible with Windows 10" messages on 2 different programs and they would no longer run. Next I lost all message notification, things like "it is now safe to remove your USB drive". Tried the fix routine off a boot disk and all that was accomplished was I had to reinstall all software (office and so forth). Software still didn't run and still didn't have messages. Did a complete reinstall off the boot disk (couldn't get the restore from a system image to work). Still 2 programs wouldn't run (even in compatibility mode set for win7, I have 10 PRO). After enough searching online (with my win7 notebook) I found directions that worked and let me restore from my system image. Total experience lasted 3 days (8 hour days) and I ended up loosing a half dozen photographs and 3 documents. Just enough to really make me upset with Microsoft.

:Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu

Kentktk · « **Reply #274 on:** July 18, 2016, 07:22:54 PM »

I can`t believe something like that could happen with a MS product!

Piston · « **Reply #275 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:10:31 AM »

To make a long story short; I upgraded to Windows 10 but prior to that ran a specific program on Windows 7. It’d been a while since I used the program and when I tried to run it on 10 the program could not connect to the USB port. There is a specific driver for the USB port which of course I loaded. After a lot of searching I found out that Windows 10 will not recognize an “unsigned” driver. There is a process in Windows 10 to disable this function so as to allow Windows to recognize an unsigned driver. This little tidbit took me a whole day to research so I thought I would pass it on if you’re having USB/driver problems.

StuCorpe · « **Reply #276 on:** July 19, 2016, 07:37:34 AM »

Thanks "Piston" that works! Too bad they hide so much of the helpfull things.

fossil · « **Reply #277 on:** July 19, 2016, 07:43:21 AM »

Quote from: StuCorpe on July 19, 2016, 07:37:34 AM

Thanks "Piston" that works! Too bad they hide so much of the helpfull things.

Have you tried to right-click on the "Start" - button?

LowRyter · « **Reply #278 on:** July 19, 2016, 09:26:01 AM »

I had a problem with my laptop (which now I believe was caused by crap in the keyboard), this caused me to reload WIN 10.

Now this is what I learned.

When you upgrade to Win 10, you're programs are left intact.

When reload to Win 10, you're programs are deleted.

It's pretty straight forward to reload programs available on the web, etc. But embedded Windows programs (like Photo Viewer and Editor) are gone. Research tells me they still exist but you have to change the registry to be able to access them. BTW- the new program is called "Photos". It has a different feel and on first look seems to offer few photo adjustments but it supposedly has more edit options. I haven't played with it but like most Windows upgrades, the user interface is changed for no apparent reason but the capability is marginally different. Shit like that drives me nuts.

Randown · « **Reply #279 on:** July 21, 2016, 10:16:46 PM »

Free W10 offer expires July 29.

IF you are on the fence you can do this...

Upgrade to W10, rollback to whatever you are running if you want to and you'll STILL have reserved your right to a legit W10 license for that device if that's how you want to go in the future.

LowRyter · « **Reply #280 on:** July 22, 2016, 12:08:39 AM »

man ....Win 10 wiped out so many programs (apps).

I had to download shareware just to play a DVD. MS took away their own media player. Of course they want to sell you a new app. And they want you to do everything to go through their browser, MS Edge.

I already mentioned how the MS Photo Viewer was deleted (I think it's actually on my computer but disabled). At least MS has a replacement (I don't like the interface but I read it's more capable).

It's a real power play.

I even bought a new Dell laptop (crap) with a DVD player built in (one of the last) and it didn't have media player software. I had to find shareware. I sent it back to Dell yesterday. No Dells for me.

Win 10 is the first OS I've seen that actively took away capability.

fossil · « **Reply #281 on:** July 22, 2016, 12:35:48 AM »

Wow, John, so much disinformation. Of course the Windows media Player is still there. I still use it on each machine I have with Win 10 (with the sole exception of my phones). But: Groove Music in the meantime is a very useable media player even if you only have local music folders (like me).

Saying "all Dell laptops are crap" because you have bad experience with an assumedly not too pricey consumer model is of course - well - a bit harsh. We use for about 15 years now Dell Latitude laptops in my family (beginning with the old D600 which still runs as my Linux testbed) from the E6000 - and E7000 - series and all are flawless. For years. All machines in use (5 pieces in the moment from different years) run under Win 10. My own E6410 since 29 July 2015.

LowRyter · « **Reply #282 on:** July 22, 2016, 01:03:43 AM »

I didn't say all Dells were crap. I used them at work and that's why I tried to purchase another.

And my current HP computer and the Dell I sent back did not have DVD playing s/w after I loaded Win 10. The DVD would not play. I downloaded VLC. The MS Media player is gone.

In fact, more than 100 apps were deleted on HP. I have a list of them on my desktop.

I will tell you my experience with Dell was terrible. After I had to load Win 10 (I ordered it preloaded, instead I got a CD) and talking to the tech setting bios, it took three tries until the CD would reboot and load Win 10. Then the deal breaker, the scroll pad didn't work. I never got an invoice despite giving them my e-mail address. So it was not ordered as I requested. I must've sent them 10 e-mails just to be directed to an online order form (which did not match what I ordered). It took two phone calls for them to e-mail me a return label.

I still need a new Laptop. I am looking at a Lenovo. I won't buy another mail order machine.

disinformation?

fossil · « **Reply #283 on:** July 22, 2016, 03:27:26 AM »

Ok, accepted.

charlie b · « **Reply #284 on:** July 22, 2016, 07:29:11 AM »

I never buy mail order computers anymore. I have to try the keyboard before I buy it. My second test is to 'twist' it. If it flexes too much I don't buy it. That rules out a ton of them. I've had a lot of different brands and Toshiba is one I keep going back to. I'd get an HP Elitebook if they were cheaper. Had several at work and they were nice. Cheaper HP's didn't cut it. Sony was OK. Asus is actually good for the money, but, they are not as durable for me (I tend to be tough on my laptops). Same with other brands.

LowRyter · « **Reply #285 on:** July 22, 2016, 07:47:43 AM »

My cheap HP is literally falling apart. It never worked well when I bought it. Truthfully, it only worked right when I UPGRADED to Win 10. But when I was travelling something must've gotten lodged in the keyboard. I thought it was a glitch or virus, and I was prompted to RELOAD Win 10. That's when everything was purged. I finally slammed the computer down and it fixed the glitch.

I'd like to get a new laptop. The reason I ordered the crappy Dell was because it was the only one that had an optical drive and 14 inch monitor- both exceedingly rare. I am resigned to getting a 14 in laptop and external drive.

rboe · « **Reply #286 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:40:08 AM »

Keyboards are very personal, and very easy to find one you like and use it instead of the supplied one. No reason to base a computer purchase off the keyboard.

I bought a couple IBM "clicky clacky" old style keyboards; one for work, one for home. Kinda loud, but excellent feel to them. Had to use a PS/2 to USB adaptor but they are tanks.

Lenovo Thinkpads (and I assume others, but not Apples so much) make it very easy to swap hard drives so instead of ditching Windows 10 all together I got me two SSD hard drives, one for Windows 7 (with GWX running to keep 10 off of it) and one running Windows 10 (because I could not over look a free upgrade! - Guzzi content - and hey, at some point Windows 7 just won't fly, if I live long enough that is).

SSD's are a bit more expensive - but performance wise it's like doubling your memory - they can be the bee's knee's. But regular hard drives are not that expensive making them a viable option for those that dread upgrading. Clone your OS onto the new drive, upgrade the new drive to 10, swap as needed. You'll want to swap from time to time to keep the updates from getting too far behind, but it will take away a lot of the risk.

If the new upgrade totally fails, you at least have a new back up drive.

charlie b · « **Reply #287 on:** July 22, 2016, 12:11:38 PM »

But for a laptop the keyboard is a big part of the purchase choice. Have not purchased a desktop computer in 10 years.

rboe · « **Reply #288 on:** July 22, 2016, 12:59:46 PM »

Ah! ya, you can do an external keyboard but I've never bothered. I had a Dell laptop, keyboard sucked. The Lenovo is OK, but my last three Mac Books have pretty good keyboards. Would not have thought just looking at them. Even my old 12" one. Small but not cramped (tried a notebook once and the keyboard was just too small).

Desktops have really taken a hit haven't they?

Tom · « **Reply #289 on:** July 22, 2016, 05:05:34 PM »

I wonder what's going to happen to the work computers? We have Win 7 and I keep getting the prompt to download 10. That's blocked by our IT section for the State of Hawaii. July 29 it crashes?

charlie b · « **Reply #290 on:** July 22, 2016, 05:08:19 PM »

Yeah, desktops are really hanging on just because of the amount of processing power some people still need, like gamers :) And even many of them are moving to higher power laptops.

For many years I had one of the old IBM keyboards. They were made due to demand from secretaries (and other electric typewriter uses). It had the same key switches, layout and hefty feel of the Selectric typewriters. That was also back when I could still type 70wpm :) Also one reason why I can't use a tablet for typing. Besides being too small I was trained for 40 years to rest my fingers lightly on the keys. Even tried adding a keyboard to the tablet, but, then you just have a laptop bulk so that's what I use now.

I did have a netbook at one time and could do pretty decent on the little keyboard. My current laptop has a 12" screen so the keyboard is not quite standard size.

charlie b · « **Reply #291 on:** July 22, 2016, 05:10:02 PM »

Quote from: Tom on July 22, 2016, 05:05:34 PM

I wonder what's going to happen to the work computers? We have Win 7 and I keep getting the prompt to download 10. That's blocked by our IT section for the State of Hawaii. July 29 it crashes?

We had Win7 computers at work too, for security reasons. Seems they could not get Win10 certified. But, three of my computers weren't connected to the internet anyway.

Tom · « **Reply #292 on:** July 22, 2016, 05:12:46 PM »

Since I work with public and do some background checks, I need the internet. We'll see how it affects usage later. Currently at work now.

rodekyll · « **Reply #293 on:** July 22, 2016, 05:28:38 PM »

As has been discussed, there are ways to stop the forced upgrade and stop the nagging. It's a none-issue. W7 will be reluctantly supported through 2019, so that too is really a non-issue for computers originally built for W7. Many corporations and even small businesses stay in W7 because it can take years to certify that they can get their jobs done with something else. Gates & Co. have basically given them a deadline of 2020 to sort it out.

But the answer to another question -- Yes, RIP PC. 1980-2015. My business dropped over 90% between June 2015 and June 2016. I literally made 10% of June15 in June16. It's all about smartphones and tablets now at the personal level and all about corporate IT at the business level. W10 kilt the PC.

ITSec · « **Reply #294 on:** July 22, 2016, 05:36:38 PM »

Quote from: Tom on July 22, 2016, 05:05:34 PM

I wonder what's going to happen to the work computers? We have Win 7 and I keep getting the prompt to download 10. That's blocked by our IT section for the State of Hawaii. July 29 it crashes?

Your IT department should just install GWX and send the creator a donation - I've tested it for security issues and it is completely benign (so far).

July 29, the nagware changes so that you get offered a 'catch-up now while it's cheap!' offer

rocker59 · « **Reply #295 on:** July 28, 2016, 10:42:23 PM »

Went ahead and did the Windows 10 free upgrade this evening while I was at the barn.

Got back home and the computer works just fine after the upgrade. (HP ENVY laptop).

Need to go in and clamp down the privacy, I guess. Everything is currently at default.

First impression is it works fine and seems easy to navigate.

Now, to find those privacy settings...

LowRyter · « **Reply #296 on:** July 29, 2016, 12:26:50 AM »

Just bought a new computer with Win 10 and this one has all the media stuff and works OK. Win 10 still tries to lead me to purchase programs I don't need. I've discovered lots of freeware that I didn't know I needed.

Tom · « **Reply #297 on:** July 29, 2016, 01:27:32 PM »

I have to chase down an alternate program for writing documents. I still get the prompt to purchase Office.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #298 on:** July 29, 2016, 01:36:22 PM »

I have an older version of Office. Just loaded that on my new Win 10 laptop. All is well.

Of course there is the free ONLINE office stuff, that works well. But I hate relying on cloud services like that.

And there is Open Office, which is OK. But it doesn't handle my Access databases well enough.

Dean Rose · « **Reply #299 on:** July 29, 2016, 01:42:41 PM »

Quote from: Tom on July 29, 2016, 01:27:32 PM

I have to chase down an alternate program for writing documents. I still get the prompt to purchase Office.

Go to fleabay, I got a new in box version of MS Office Educators version cheap.

Dean

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Author Topic: Anyone using Windows 10? (Read 72545 times)

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