Author Topic: EICMA 2015 - New V7 Roamer/Bobber and MGX-21 Bagger The photos are rolling in. (Read 148780 times)

Dogwalker · « **Reply #330 on:** November 13, 2015, 05:12:50 PM »

Quote from: Kev m on November 13, 2015, 03:17:13 PM

BUT CONSIDERING THE SCRAMBLER IS 70 RWHP even 60 rwhp would be lacking somewhat for the competition.

The Scrambler has an OHC and a way more oversquare bore/stroke ratio. It has the maximum power at 8500 rpm, were a long pushrod engine cannot come. It was clear from the start that the 850 could not have its performance.
It should have had the Falco distribution. With that, 70 RWHP are within reach.

Dogwalker · « **Reply #331 on:** November 13, 2015, 05:18:32 PM »

Quote from: bad Chad on November 13, 2015, 03:34:04 PM

Perhaps the 55hp was referring to RW HP?

We can hope it. Even more, since 62 nm from an 850 are a pretty low figure, for the heron heads also (it would mean practically no gain over the 750).

MariusD · « **Reply #332 on:** November 13, 2015, 05:27:08 PM »

The cool thing for guzzi is that as long as this V9 stays below 500lb, it will walk all over the competition even if it makes less power.

883 Sportster is 560-570lb
Bolt is right at 540lb

And both of these turds only make ~45ish hp at the wheels.

I'm sure guzzi can at least match the power with this new engine. The question is the weight the bike. I think this new bike is going to be a RIOT! Kind of like a lot of their other bikes. Keeping my fingers crossed....

Dogwalker · « **Reply #333 on:** November 13, 2015, 05:37:05 PM »

Quote from: MariusD on November 13, 2015, 05:27:08 PM

The question is the weight the bike.

Reported around 190kg /419 lb. Only a kg more than the V7.

Kev m · « **Reply #334 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:16:04 PM »

Quote from: bad Chad on November 13, 2015, 04:14:04 PM

Can't wait to see the v9 Bobber vs Bolt vs 883 brawl!

Truthfully, it should do well.

Kev m · « **Reply #335 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:22:21 PM »

Quote from: MariusD on November 13, 2015, 05:27:08 PM

The cool thing for guzzi is that as long as this V9 stays below 500lb, it will walk all over the competition even if it makes less power.

883 Sportster is 560-570lb
Bolt is right at 540lb

And both of these turds only make ~45ish hp at the wheels.

I'm sure guzzi can at least match the power with this new engine. The question is the weight the bike. I think this new bike is going to be a RIOT! Kind of like a lot of their other bikes. Keeping my fingers crossed....

I'll check my charts on Monday, but the "turd" as you refer to it 883 already at least matches the V7 in the 1/4 mile. It takes nothing more than a set of mufflers to take it from about 46-48 rwhp to 50+ rwhp, which changes the equation again.

The key to the 883 is MUCH lower gearing so it gets off the line well, but wouldn't do as well on the highway.

But then again I've never felt my V7 was really a highway bike either anyway.

MariusD · « **Reply #336 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:43:54 PM »

Quote from: Dogwalker on November 13, 2015, 05:37:05 PM

Reported around 190kg /419 lb. Only a kg more than the V7.

That would be fantastic! This bike will be a riot at that weigt and 900ci of vtwin torque. I really cant wait to see/hear more.

MariusD · « **Reply #337 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:51:57 PM »

Quote from: Kev m on November 13, 2015, 06:22:21 PM

I'll check my charts on Monday, but the "turd" as you refer to it 883 already at least matches the V7 in the 1/4 mile. It takes nothing more than a set of mufflers to take it from about 46-48 rwhp to 50+ rwhp, which changes the equation again.

The key to the 883 is MUCH lower gearing so it gets off the line well, but wouldn't do as well on the highway.

But then again I've never felt my V7 was really a highway bike either anyway.

Chances are good this thing will have a 6speed, which means gears will be short enough to not hinder performace from that end.

My 650 vstrom can lift the front end on a spirited launch, so I really think this puppy will have wheely poping power if it doesnt weigh any more than 450lb.

Light, tuorqey, fun. Thats what im hopping for. Frankly, could care less what the peak hp says on the dyno chart.

rocker59 · « **Reply #338 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:57:34 PM »

Quote from: MariusD on November 13, 2015, 07:51:57 PM

Chances are good this thing will have a 6speed,

Chances are certain it has the 6-speed.

jas67 · « **Reply #339 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:57:49 PM »

Hmmm, maybe a V9 Racer? This is on Guzzi's Facebook page.

Screen Shot 2015-11-13 at 9.00.25 PM by jay_snyder67, on Flickr

rocker59 · « **Reply #340 on:** November 13, 2015, 08:05:20 PM »

Quote from: jas67 on November 13, 2015, 07:57:49 PM

Hmmm, maybe a V9 Racer? This is on Guzzi's Facebook page.

Screen Shot 2015-11-13 at 9.00.25 PM by jay_snyder67, on Flickr

That's a vintage custom big block Tonti cafe racer.

jas67 · « **Reply #341 on:** November 13, 2015, 08:13:57 PM »

Quote from: rocker59 on November 13, 2015, 08:05:20 PM

That's a vintage custom big block Tonti cafe racer.

Well that's just mean to tease us like that. "lots of surprises waiting for your at EICMA" posted along with that picture.

JeffOlson · « **Reply #342 on:** November 13, 2015, 08:51:49 PM »

I am itching to get another cafe racer. Looking forward somewhat hopefully to next week's unveiling...

Dogwalker · « **Reply #343 on:** November 17, 2015, 04:42:21 AM »

From Eicma

Vasco DG · « **Reply #344 on:** November 17, 2015, 04:50:52 AM »

This is Guzzi's future?

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guzzisteve · « **Reply #345 on:** November 17, 2015, 05:34:36 AM »

Sad day when you rely on Ass Candy.

rocker59 · « **Reply #346 on:** November 17, 2015, 05:39:33 AM »

Thanks for the pix Dogwalker.

Cam3512 · « **Reply #347 on:** November 17, 2015, 05:40:52 AM »

Gotta say, they look better in paint, and under the lights. The V7 line has been Guzzi's top seller, so you can't blame them for capitalizing on the smaller displacement bikes. Over the last few years they DID give us the Griso, Stelvio, Norge and 1400's. Yet, sales of those don't compare.

bpreynolds · « **Reply #348 on:** November 17, 2015, 05:48:49 AM »

You know, I like them. I like them a lot. Not gonna trade in my Stone on one but well played, Guzzi.

jas67 · « **Reply #349 on:** November 17, 2015, 05:50:56 AM »

Quote from: guzzisteve on November 17, 2015, 05:34:36 AM

Sad day when you rely on Ass Candy.

When you are a business, you have to cater to your customer, and make what sells; not just to us old curmudgeons on this forum, but, the wider public. If this increases the customer base for Moto Guzzi, it doesn't matter what we think, it is still a good thing for us, as it helps insure that Moto Guzzi can "keep going out of business" for another 95 years.

Quote from: Cam3512 on November 17, 2015, 05:40:52 AM

Gotta say, they look better in paint, and under the lights.

Even though I prefer the looks of the V7, I do have to agree. I don't hate them.

Vasco DG · « **Reply #350 on:** November 17, 2015, 05:55:25 AM »

Quote from: rocker59 on November 17, 2015, 05:39:33 AM

Thanks for the pix Dogwalker.

Yes, thanks, no matter how disappointing they are.

Factory pipe wrap? Good god!

At least there has been a bit of a redesign. The bevelbox casting is new and the spindle system would seem to mimic the 1400. Still a shit design as the pipe prevents easy removal of the spindle.

At the end of the day though the real question is what is under those rocker covers though.

Pete

bpreynolds · « **Reply #351 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:01:16 AM »

Quote from: jas67 on November 17, 2015, 05:50:56 AM

When you are a business, you have to cater to your customer, and make what sells; not just to us old curmudgeons on this forum, but, the wider public. If this increases the customer base for Moto Guzzi, it doesn't matter what we think, it is still a good thing for us, as it helps insure that Moto Guzzi can "keep going out of business" for another 95 years.

Even though I prefer the looks of the V7, I do have to agree. I don't hate them.

:1: as per the business end of things. They are trying to capitalize on the biggest success (V7 line) they've had in years. Go Guzzi.

But as per the looks comment, I gotta say the white one with all the accoutrements is like WAY sharper than I imagined. In fact, maybe they should market these as such - "Here at Guzzi, we no longer sell accessories but our 'accoutrements' catalog is coming right along."

Under all the dress I much prefer my Green Bean to this but with saddlebags, tank bag, and booming shield on my V7 I may indeed wonder which I'd prefer in the costume department. Even still, smaller tank on whitey here will see me definitely keeping GBean around

Aaron D. · « **Reply #352 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:02:23 AM »

Nice looking bikes, they should do well.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #353 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:11:15 AM »

At the end of the day though the real question is what is under those rocker covers though.

Looks like two different rocker covers. (?) The white one "could" be a 2V hemi. The other "could" be a 4V.
Or not.

Thanks for the pix, Dogwalker..

Kev m · « **Reply #354 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:23:06 AM »

Ya know I just realized that Pete and Steve are both older than Me, Jay, Cam, Rocker, and I'm assuming BPRey and Aaron too.

I'm just saying.

And yeah, I'm liking em more. Still prefer the V7 tank, but I don't have any other real objections.

Vasco DG · « **Reply #355 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:25:44 AM »

Quote from: Chuck in Indiana on November 17, 2015, 06:11:15 AM

At the end of the day though the real question is what is under those rocker covers though.

Looks like two different rocker covers. (?) The white one "could" be a 2V hemi. The other "could" be a 4V.
Or not.

Thanks for the pix, Dogwalker..

I think the Roamer and Bobber are the same. The white 'Scrambler' type thingy is a V7 with the same covers they've had since the adoption and of the single TB and rings that work.

Pete

Cam3512 · « **Reply #356 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:25:55 AM »

The white "Scrambler" would still be the V7 II 750. Hence the current valve covers.

Maybe that's the new Stornello?

Loftness · « **Reply #357 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:37:20 AM »

First impression is that I like them. I like the variety of stuff going on there. We spent years bitching about the lack of accessories...and here they are. Factory pipe wrap? (if that's indeed what it seems to be) Hell yeah! No one else does that and lots of people want it but are too lazy to do it themselves or too cheap to pay someone to do it after the purchase. It's genius really.

Vasco DG · « **Reply #358 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:42:50 AM »

Quote from: Loftness on November 17, 2015, 06:37:20 AM

First impression is that I like them. I like the variety of stuff going on there. We spent years bitching about the lack of accessories...and here they are. Factory pipe wrap? (if that's indeed what it seems to be) Hell yeah! No one else does that and lots of people want it but are too lazy to do it themselves or too cheap to pay someone to do it after the purchase. It's genius really.

GAKK!

Kev m · « **Reply #359 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:56:09 AM »

Maybe I'll wrap the pipes on the V7 just to taunt the purists.

Jenn already suggested I do it to the Sportster.

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