Engine oil removal using suction through the dipstick tube.

[Stevex]

Yes, really.
My wife has a Smart car and the engine has no sump plug.
The only way to carry out a oil change is to suck the oil out using a small bore plastic pipe going down the dipstick tube.
Last time I had it done by a local garage as I don't have a manual suction pump.
Problem is the reviews of available suction pumps aren't too good, so I'm wondering if there's an alternative.
Oil grade is 5w/40; if it was warm, could it be siphoned?
Any ideas?

[father guzzi obrian]

This is a guzzi forum, we would drill and tap a sump plug.....

[twhitaker]

I had a dipstick pump for my boat that worked just like a syringe.

[sib]

This is a guzzi forum, we would drill and tap a sump plug.....

Turn the car upside-down, and let it drain out overnight.

[Sasquatch Jim]

 I have used one of these in the past.  Just suck it full of oil and squirt it into your waste container and suck some more.
 Simple and workable and cleanable.

 http://www.tooltopia.com/lincoln-lubrication-615.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=paid_search_google_pla&scid=scplp6819959&gclid=Cj0KEQiAnJqzBRCW0rGWnKnckOIBEiQA6qDBarSNlQODOlewD2S_Ajcq3vykHATpZl2ZtlZE6rpS17saAsQz8P8HAQ

[pyoungbl]

This is pretty common on boats, where you cannot get to the sump drain.  I got mine from West Marine but here's a link to one on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Briggs-Stratton-5431K-Extractor-4-Liter/dp/B009POZ9YY/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1449602526&sr=8-7&keywords=topside+oil+changer

$34 ain't bad!

Peter Y.

[charlie b]

Turn the car upside-down, and let it drain out overnight.

ROFLMAO

[Mike Harper]

And folks want to blast Guzzi for things they design.

What a dumbass way to build something that requires periodic maintenance.

Sheesh !!!

[Sasquatch Jim]

 Turning it upside down is not efficient.  You would have  rock it back and forth and side to side to get most of the oil out.
 Not like a motorcycle where you can just invert it and shake it.

[NCAmother]

Yes, really.
My wife has a Smart car and the engine has no sump plug.
The only way to carry out a oil change is to suck the oil out using a small bore plastic pipe going down the dipstick tube.
Last time I had it done by a local garage as I don't have a manual suction pump.
Problem is the reviews of available suction pumps aren't too good, so I'm wondering if there's an alternative.
Oil grade is 5w/40; if it was warm, could it be siphoned?
Any ideas?

It's very interesting that a smart car that uses an oil does not have a  filter.  I change the oil not only because of mileage but to remove sludge buildup and inspect metal content.

[canuguzzi]

And folks want to blast Guzzi for things they design.

What a dumbass way to build something that requires periodic maintenance.

Sheesh !!!

They don't leak oil or lose their dipsticks.

They don't need an oil change every 6250 miles either. It really isn't a big deal. No burned hands and in fact you can do it without getting a drop if oil on your hands.

Now for an easy way if you have a compressor ( like to fill tires and stuff)

Get one of those venturi effect liquid sprayer things for the compressor. Clear tube goes into the filler hole, gun end into waste container. Compressor creates the venturi effect and sucks all the oil out in short order.

Do the opposite to fill the sump. Out the tube right into the oil container that has the proper amount of oil and fill er up.

Entire oil change takes 5 minutes and you can do it wearing nice clothes. It is clean, no waste, no rags, getting on your back, grabbing wrenches.

In between drain and fill, spin off old filter, spin on new one. Then onward for another year instead of every 3 months.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

It's very interesting that a smart car that uses an oil does not have a  filter.  I change the oil not only because of mileage but to remove sludge buildup and inspect metal content.

It has a filter, just no drain plug.

[Tom]

Liquivac.  Affordable.

http://www.liquivac.com/

[Kev m]

And folks want to blast Guzzi for things they design.

What a dumbass way to build something that requires periodic maintenance.

Sheesh !!!

Having not seen the powertrain I'm going to assume it's because you can't get to it easily enough.

But as has been said it's commonplace in the marine industry because most inboards and sterndrives are mounted in such a way that you can't access the sump (since they're in the bottom of the hulls).

And I'm noting that in the last few years Yamaha has adopted this as the recommended method for most/all of their outboards too. And I'm not just talking about little $5k ones, I'm talking about the $30k ones often sold in pairs.

So dumb design? Depends on the perspective, but it certainly seems to be a viable method.

Steve, what about stopping by a marine supply store, they should be familiar with some decent design pumps.

[Cross-tie Walker]

Tom
I see Liqiuvac is only for "Harleys"

[Markcarovilli]

or it is one of the new designed permanently lube engines.....

Mark

[stick]

Ah, just change the filter and add a quart...

It's a smart car, right?  It'll figure it out.

[cruzziguzzi]

I've been vacuum draining several of my vehicles for years. I had wondered how Mercedes was doing oil changes on my ML55 so quickly back when it was under warranty and my service manager told me about it. The filter's right up there on top too so it's a quick turnover.

I use a medical hand operated vacuum pump and even though I have to empty the reservoir twice in the process - it keeps me from dickin' with the belly pans.

Since then: Guzzis, Mini, and even my Cub Cadet. I'd use it on my Scout, alas, it has dual sumps.

Todd.

[Stevex]

Thanks for all the suggestions, I'm going with Jim's, suction gun on order.

[boatdetective]

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=9547&familyName=Moeller+Fluid+Extractor+Pumps

That's the only way to change oil on marine engines. These hand vacuum pumps work PISSAH.

[weevee]

I have a Smart car, and use a Pela 6000 extractor pump.  http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/oil-extractor-pump-37774.html?gclid=CP3q4pyuzckCFQ-3GwoddjIHZg  It's brilliant.  The oil can be changed in minutes with no mess whatsoever - and there's no makeshift drain-tray full of krud to then have to deal with.  In truth it's one of the best gadgets I've ever bought.  (..it was once a real help in removing oil from an over-filled Guzzi sump!)

[Sasquatch Jim]

It's not only the simplest but you can squirt waste oil at people too.

[normzone]

Ah, just change the filter and add a quart...

It's a smart car, right?  It'll figure it out.

I'm all for this approach. The logic is sound...

[rboe]

Just replace the car. New ones come with new oil already in them. http://wildguzzi.com/forum/Smileys/default/boozing.gif

[Tom]

Tom
I see Liqiuvac is only for "Harleys"

Stick the hose down through the dipstick hole and suck.  I guess they figure that it's a bigger market for HD's than any other market.  I bought my from Home Depot out here.

[jbhotchkiss]

Might this work for fork oil as well?  What a pain it is to have to remove the fork tubes to drain the oil.

[mtiberio]

And folks want to blast Guzzi for things they design.

What a dumbass way to build something that requires periodic maintenance.

Sheesh !!!

I smell a business opportunity, Harpers Outsider remote external sump drain for smart cars.

[canuguzzi]

Might this work for fork oil as well?  What a pain it is to have to remove the fork tubes to drain the oil.

Depends on how the forks are built. I used to drill a bike at the bottom ala older Hondas and just drain them. Seemed the easiest way. Unscrew the bolt, pump the forks and all the oil shoots out, literally.

Make sure you have something to catch the oil, it will shoot clear across most of the garage floor is you don't.

[elvisboy77]

Turn the car upside-down, and let it drain out overnight.

I just spit coffee all over my work clothes.  Thanks for the laughs!

[Cam3512]

Get a REAL gas guzzling CAR?