Veglia Gauge Bezels

[n3303j]

Any idea where I could get replacement aluminum bezels for my '77 850T3.
I don't have a clue how they are sized. I think I want 80 MM (which is about the can size. But the outside diameter of my bezel is 88 MM. Meanwhile I see 3 inches, 85 MM, 82 MM and 80 MM advertised. The size also fits my V11 gauges.  No one shows a properly dimensioned drawing of their product.

I want the aluminum bezels because they are easier to roll the seal closed.

[Lumpy Idle]

yeah, i would like to know this too. the tach on my T3 has been previously disassembled and there is some sort of dark gray powder on the gauge face (my guess is someone lubed it with graphite before i got the bike.)  when they reinstalled the old bezel it was impossible to do so in a clean manner and the bottom edges of the bezel are crinkly. i would like to sort this out.

[LowRyter]

you might call this guy

http://joellevinecompany.com/Speedo-Tach-Repair

[Lumpy Idle]

thanks john. just fired off an email to him. site is bookmarked as my sporti tach is sticky.

ry

[Mike Tashjian]

I would not mess with any bezels if the can can be cut with a dremel tool and a cut off wheel.  I have had my Veglia speedometer apart a couple of times now.  I cut in line with the odometer reset and then use five minute epoxy to seal it back up. A quick pass with an exacto knife over the cut line and then a piece of silver foil duct tape.  This leaves the bezel intact and sealed. It also gives you as many tries as needed to get whatever is going on in there right.  Crimping a new bezel on for the occasional look see is just not a good way to go.  I have not had to mess with the speedo for quite a while now. And it is a really accurate now that I adjusted the speedometer needle.  Mine was optimistic by about 8 mph at 70.  And had issues with the odometer freezing up.  Mike

[n3303j]

I have a Lathe and can easily fabricate the tooling to seal the bezel. I don't want to destroy the integrity of the can. It is a structural member in the assembly.

[n3303j]

thanks john. Just fired off an email to him. site is bookmarked as my sporti tach is sticky.

Spoke to Joel a couple of years ago. He's in the instrument repair business. He wants to repair instruments, not sell parts for others to do their own repairs. He quoted me $75 for a bezel.
ry
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[Mike Tashjian]

Suit yourself, I am showing you an easy way to open and close these gauges.  Did this first in 2009 so I can probably call this a successful repair.  I have not had the epoxy and taped can fail yet or even get the slightest bit of moisture in it. It fits right back in with no modifications and only uses a small amount of consumables.   Let's see my gauges work perfect and look untouched, no marks and no leaks. I did have to actually make repairs inside and then adjust a couple of times to get them just the way I wanted.  So I never have worry about finding the right size bezel or finish, rubber,glass,etc.  I am just not seeing the downside here.  Mike   

[n3303j]

Not a matter of seeing a downside.
I requested help finding a replacement bezel.
Next thing I know you are posting about cutting the instrument can open.
That was not what I asked for so you took my post off track.
I want bezels, not an alternative access path to the instrument innards.
I have some instruments with damaged bezels. I want replacements.

[Lumpy Idle]

i just heard back from the speedo/tacho repair guy. that was fast. yeah you're right he doesn't really want to sell bezels as his prices are high. he is running a repair business so, fair enough. as far as hacking the can goes i would do that just for giggles if i had a spare tach to play with. right now i think i want to find a more reasonable source for the bezels. maybe something overseas - teo lamers, stein dinse or south to italia?  here is what joel said:

"Hi
I do have new chrome bezels for your bike $75.00 each.
The flat rate cost to refurbish to work as new including a new chrome bezel of veglia gages is $275.00. Plus $9.00 return shipping.
 Repair time is 4-14 days.
 Please call for any questions.
 Thanks

Joel Levine
Joel Levine co.,Inc.
joellevinecompany.c om
j14levine@aol.com
610 south chattanooga  st.
Lafayette Ga. 30728
800-456-6267
404-219-0594"

[Lumpy Idle]

hey mike,

 thanks for the pics and the tutorial.

ry

[guzzista]

The only bezels that worked perfectly on Tonti Veglia 80mm instruments for me  have been the chrome ones from Moto Guzzino.http://guzzino.stores.yahoo.net/vebekitwse.html . I re-used the original  glass lenses because they just fit better. The bezels are thick chromed brass and its a bit of work to get them folded down.   As per the black ones the ones from Eurotrash Jambalaya www.eurojamb.com/veglia-80mm-tachometer-bezel-repair-kit-ducati-moto-guzzi-black-p-1953.html look good and are a great price. I haven't tried them, but for 14 bucks I am tempted

[dxhall]

The price makes the Eurotrash ones tempting.  I would like to remove my bezels and repaint the needles, which have faded to almost white.  How do you crimp them back on?

[Lumpy Idle]

awesomeness - we have bezels!

i don't know how to curve the bezels over but i suggest the use of a jewelers bezel/burnishing tool like this one:  https://www.amazon.com/Burnisher-Bezel-Setting-Diamond-Jewelers/dp/B000OVNR1Y?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B000OVNR1Y

[Moto]

hey mike,

 thanks for the pics and the tutorial.

ry

Ditto. That's most reasonable reply to the perennial question of how to replace bezels that I've ever seen.

Moto

[n3303j]

Thanks for the list of sources for the bezels. My instruments thank you too.

Here's a good way to install replacement bezels. I have the lathe and the fixtures are easy enough to duplicate.

https://youtu.be/_x2C4PUSQvQ

[SED]

I've pulled the bezel off the Monza tach and replaced it twice. 

Best way is to get a good hard tight-grained board about 1/2"-3/4" thick and cut a hole in it just the size of the OD of the bezel. It makes a form to work against when removing and installing the bezel.

I cut the hole with a handheld jigsaw. The gauge should push face-down into the hole so it is snug all around. Mine wasn't a perfect fit all around, but it was close. I knocked down the tight spots with a 1/2 round file. If your fit is a little loose you could probably drape a scrap of cotton t-shirt over the hole then insert the gauge. This will support the outer edge of your bezel while you work it off and on.

Nail the board with the hole to another or clamp it to the bench and work on the bezel inside this form.

I used a sharp tool to pluck the inner edge of the bezel away from the can.  Can't remember if it was a dental pick or a sharpened bent screwdriver or what. Once the inner edge is lifted in one spot you can use the bent screwdriver tip to twist up the inner edge of the bezel working around the can against the wood form. This seems to stretch the bezel material but if you work in small increments the whole inside of the bezel crimp will flare out enough to release the can.

To re-crimp just put the gasket, glass bezel etc. on the can, insert it into its wooden form and then crimp down with a tool - screwdriver blade or hardwood dowel. For the final crimp I used a punch with a smooth face and tapped around the bezel to tighten it. It worked remarkably well and I'm sure I took photos but can't find them... And I can't find the form either. 

Here's before and after:











Hope this helps.

[SED]

Found the pictures!  They were lost because I was thinking of the wrong bike... 

Used this method to pull the bezel off a CB160 speedo to replace the face.  The Honda bezel is chromed brass and the Veglia bezel is soft aluminum. More light prying is easier on the bezel than fewer large pries, so patience is key. 

Top picture shows the form clamped to the bench. Plywood was not the best material because it is soft in places and has voids in others. Hardwood would be better. Last photo is after it was re-installed.

[KiwiKev]

Suit yourself, I am showing you an easy way to open and close these gauges.  Did this first in 2009 so I can probably call this a successful repair.  I have not had the epoxy and taped can fail yet or even get the slightest bit of moisture in it. It fits right back in with no modifications and only uses a small amount of consumables.   Let's see my gauges work perfect and look untouched, no marks and no leaks. I did have to actually make repairs inside and then adjust a couple of times to get them just the way I wanted.  So I never have worry about finding the right size bezel or finish, rubber,glass,etc.  I am just not seeing the downside here.  Mike

Agree totally Mike, if you need to open your tach or speedo this is the way to go


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[Moto]

I would not mess with any bezels if the can can be cut with a dremel tool and a cut off wheel.  ...

Mike,

I realize have a relevant question about cutting the can open. Will this give any access to the face of the instrument?
That is, can I remove the dial from the back once the can is cut open? (I need to clean mine.)

I'm thinking answer might be "no."

Moto

[Chuck in Indiana]

Mike,

I realize have a relevant question about cutting the can open. Will this give any access to the face of the instrument?
That is, can I remove the dial from the back once the can is cut open? (I need to clean mine.)

I'm thinking answer might be "no."

Moto

I'm thinking you are right.   

[LowRyter]

I used "the hose clamp and filed down paint can opener" -method to get the bezel offa my EV  tach. 

Someone posted photos of doing it that way here and I copied it.  Getting the bezel back on was even harder.   Luckily the counterweight glued right back on & the tach works. 

[KiwiKev]

I'm thinking you are right. 

Cutting the can open gives you full access to everything in there, you can clean the glass and dial easily. Only word of caution I would add is make sure you clean out all the metal filings you create during the cutting process.

I used a hacksaw to open my tach so ended up with a few iron filings stuck to the magnets. From memory I soldered the can back together in three or four spots then taped over the joint.


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[Mike Tashjian]

Yes, cutting the can gives you total access. Carefully clean out the dust or chips and then service whatever the issue is.  I like the five minute epoxy because it is easy to use and if you have to get in again you can cut thru it.  The metal tape gives it an extra layer of protection.  There have been many ways described to remove the bezel and depending on the situation I would use whatever suits your needs best.  Obviously this method although easy is not going to give you that totally original look.  I just want functionality and dependably at this point in the bikes life.  This was just an easy way since at the time there were no new bezels easily found.  Mike 

[Moto]

Yes, cutting the can gives you total access.

 

[Frenchfrog]

rewarming an old thread;my speedo bezel has allways looked bad from when I bought the bike back in 92 and as she is being renovated  it stood out even more
I used canooks  holding methode and that worked very well but the bezel was too small by a couple of mill so the case got turned down

[huub]

i changed the bezels of my morini veglia's by clamping the instruments in the lathe, and using a drift and hammer to crimp the bezels in place, turned out to be remarkably easy, despite the brass bezels.

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[Chuck in Indiana]

despite the brass bezels.

Brass is actually very easy to form, and is a material of choice when making stampings where deep drawing or forming is required.

[flower_king001]

If a chrome bezel off a white faced Veglia would work I have several.

[Frenchfrog]

Cracked the glass putting it back on as the needle seems too high ...stumped for the moment.As the bike was British it's in miles which is a bit of a pain considering the amount of speed traps around now so it may be time to get either a Km one or have it redone professionally.