Gear oil amount for V7 II

[MMRanch]

ItSec

They designed it out of the gearbox but left it in the transmission .

[pete roper]

V7-II is the six speed and it has no level plug.

[SportsterDoc]

Have we thoroughly flogged this thread?!

[waxi]

The service manual does specify quantities (see attached photo).
This photo is from manual 2Q000105 (available online) page 12/280 for V7 II ABS.

Engine oil, 10W60 SG, 2 liters, which is a perfect fill after a good drain and filter replacement.

Gearbox (6 speed) oil, 75W-90, 500 cc specified,  but may cause puking from top vent at high speeds, even in mild temperatures.   When mentioned puking to dealer, only 400 cc used for first service, since only 400 drained out (bike level, prolonged drain time) after puking, at 811 miles.   For second service, at 4683 miles, I used 450 cc and no puking, even at 116 F ambient.

Trans (hub) oil, 85w-140, 170 cc specified.   I measured out 175 cc, filled until drain at 9 o'clock started to overflow (bike level).   Top vent wept a bit crusing at hot ambient.   Will measure out only 170 cc, next time.

Bike now has 5500 miles at 6 months in service.

This!

[MotoBug]

Have we thoroughly flogged this thread?!

Not quite. The owners manual says to check the cardan shaft level frequently and explains the procedure. Yet comes with the warning it must be done by an authorised dealer.

[pete roper]

Given that the cardan shaft is dry it proves yet again that relying on a manual rather than knowledge can land you in a shit-tonne of pain!

[lorengo70]

Alright guys, woke up this morning and drained the 1L of oil from the gearbox and then readded 500 ml as you guys suggested. Would note that yesterday, when i filled her up with the 1L, I rode her afterwards to the car wash for about 15 km. I hope that in doing so i did not cause any damage. Anyhow, driving 900 km to Boston tomorrow and hope she does not cause me any grief.

Thank you all very much for your help and suggestions.

 

[lorengo70]

btw, my manual is shows a slightly different procedure than that shown by SporsterDoc:






thats what caused my to screw it up.

[Kiwi_Roy]

Have we thoroughly flogged this thread?!

Not so fast

I want to know what a Capacidipstick is
Shown on the drawing of rear end

[waxi]

btw, my manual is shows a slightly different procedure than that shown by SporsterDoc:






thats what caused my to screw it up.

Apparently wrong manual??

[ITSec]

Violently disagreeing with Motoul or 75W-90?

No, what I said was that we were in violent agreement - in other words, while it might have seemed we were at cross purposes, we actually share similar views about the lube. 

[SportsterDoc]

Not quite. The owners manual says to check the cardan shaft level frequently and explains the procedure. Yet comes with the warning it must be done by an authorised dealer.

Ha, ha but notice the bottom right reference to the cardan shaft TRANSMISSION, also supported by the bottom left photo.

[SportsterDoc]

No, what I said was that we were in violent agreement - in other words, while it might have seemed we were at cross purposes, we actually share similar views about the lube. 

My apologies.   I should not be posting past my bed time!

[SportsterDoc]

Not so fast

I want to know what a Capacidipstick is
Shown on the drawing of rear end

The Cap/dipstick is referenced as item (1) in a photo, not shown on that page and the dipstick portion does not exist on a V7 II.
A typical practice in updating manuals is to revise the latest version.
MG appears to do that, but miss some updates...and some translation from Italian to English.

MG is not nearly as blatant as Triumph in encouraging service by a dealer.
Triumph:  Do ANYTHING and you will die!

[SportsterDoc]

btw, my manual is shows a slightly different procedure than that shown by SporsterDoc:
thats what caused my to screw it up.

What is the name/number/source of that manual?

[SportsterDoc]

Given that the cardan shaft is dry it proves yet again that relying on a manual rather than knowledge can land you...

The cardan/drive shaft is dry (other than spline grease), but a review of the entire page does indicate that the fluid level to be checked is in the trans hub...so, not entirely wrong.

Merging
manual content with
on-line research with
input from a generally knowledgeable forum with
personal experience
then using common sense
will get most things done

[SportsterDoc]

Alright guys, woke up this morning and drained the 1L of oil from the gearbox and then readded 500 ml as you guys suggested. Would note that yesterday, when i filled her up with the 1L, I rode her afterwards to the car wash for about 15 km. I hope that in doing so i did not cause any damage. Anyhow, driving 900 km to Boston tomorrow and hope she does not cause me any grief.

Wishing you a safe and enjoyable trip!
Depending upon ambient temperature and speed, the worst likely to happen is a little puking from the top vent, if the added 500 cc to whatever is left in the gear box is a bit much.
It will self level and a bit of degreaser, water and a rag will take care, if it does vent.

Post one, item 5:  http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=89372.0

[lorengo70]

Thanks for your help SportsterDoc.

The manual i was referring to while I was changing fluids yesterday is (cant find a way to upload it here), for the most part, the same as the newer version I found today on WG. There are a few differences though, such as the one I posted (the one that says fill to filler cap top) and the biggest being service intervals (i.e. gear box oil changes every 60k km instead of 20k km). thanks again for bringing the new manual to my attention (will be using this one going fwd and hopefully minimize my screw ups).

have a good weekend. cheers. 

[SportsterDoc]

Lorengo70
Glad to be of some help
The V7 II manual from which I've posted is
SERVICE STATION MANUAL
2Q000105
V7 II ABS

as referenced on front page.

After your trip, it would be interesting know what is on the front page of the manual that you have/had.

[jpv7]

Thanks for measuring that 400 ml came out...I added 500 ml during first service, and it will puke some out of the breather after sustained interstate running at about 80 mph...

I added 450ml during the next service, so we will see what happens...

[SportsterDoc]

Thanks for measuring that 400 ml came out...I added 500 ml during first service, and it will puke some out of the breather after sustained interstate running at about 80 mph...

I added 450ml during the next service, so we will see what happens...

Dealer did first service, at 811 miles (~25 days in service) carefully measured (drained directly to graduated beaker for perhaps 20-30 minutes) 400 cc drained from gear box and replaced with 400 cc, after I reported puking.

I did next service at 4663 miles (just under 6 months service) and replaced with 450 cc.  No puking at sustained high speeds and very hot ambient in southern Nevada.

Next change, I plan to try 475 cc.

[jefrs]

Motoul makes a very good 75w-90, which is specified.
$24 a liter from dealer, but that is enough for two changes.

ENI ROTRA LSX 75W-90 (Eni i-Ride Rotra bike synth 75 W-90) – is some £12 per litre this side of the pond, about half the price, and the actual oil recommended in the book of words. Available online from usual suspect.

[Kiwi_Roy]

From an AF1 racing post
Click here for an Oil Change / Oil Level Check How-To. Complete procedure with color photographs can be found in the Official Moto Guzzi Factory Service Manuals at the links below:

If you click on the link it pops up a Guzzi manual that tells you to fill it up to the cap

Pour in new oil until it reaches the cap/ dipstick opening (1).
Tighten the filler cap (1).

AF1 Racing need to fix this link

[mechanicsavant]

Also , don’t forget to pop out the filter screen located in the drain plug hole , clean & reinstall . Yup 500ml. It’s a pressure fed system as Mr. Roper mentioned earlier !