V85 TT Merged Threadfest

[oilhed]

Personally, I prefer this white version followed by the red.
The all black bike is ok too, but needs something to break up or brighten it, and not a red frame!






al no3 3

IMO, the first two are snappy but I'd buy the black one, needs a silver frame.

[JeffOlson]

Please put together a more street-oriented version!

I generally like what I am seeing, except for the beak. I can't stand beaks, but I really like the red frame...

[PeteS]

I view beaks as redundant. An extension under the headlight on bikes that have fenders closer to the wheel. This just has a high fender like most off road bikes have. Unbolt it from the triple tree and mount it closer to the wheel. Hardly a deal breaker.
I am more curious how 12K euros will translate to dollars. In the past it hasn't followed strict currency levels. More like a 1 to 1 instead of the current 1 to 1.2.

Pete

[Kev m]

I view beaks as redundant. An extension under the headlight on bikes that have fenders closer to the wheel. This just has a high fender like most off road bikes have. Unbolt it from the triple tree and mount it closer to the wheel. Hardly a deal breaker.

But the shape of the beak/fender still sucks if you're not interested in that adventure bike look.

And there are some other styling cues at other points on the bodywork that I don't like same as the beak.

[PeteS]

Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
You guys that want a standard or cafe racer with this motor will just have to wait.
Guzzi blew it with the V9. The styling killed it.

Pete

[Kev m]

Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
You guys that want a standard or cafe racer with this motor will just have to wait.
Guzzi blew it with the V9. The styling killed it.

Pete

Oh, I don't WANT an ADV bike.

I wouldn't mind an upgraded smallblock with USD forks and dual discs though.

My interest in this bike is:

* I hope it is wildly successful for the brand
* I hope that success prompts more road going variants on the same chassis.

[Matteo]

I view beaks as redundant. An extension under the headlight on bikes that have fenders closer to the wheel. This just has a high fender like most off road bikes have. Unbolt it from the triple tree and mount it closer to the wheel. Hardly a deal breaker.


Pete

The beak serves to put downward pressure on the front wheel to improve stability at speed.

[rdbandkab]

Interesting.  Says engine will be used in other models.

I can't wait to see what other style bikes will use this motor...      
Of course,  I'm wanting it in a modern naked standard.  Not an ADV, not a retro, not a throwback.   I might put the Capo on the block if a comfy 2up-able, non-fairing model was to appear.

[Luap McKeever]

$14,000.00?!!!!!  For only $2,000 more to get a 1400CC Stelvio.  That would be an easy decision to me.

But, I hope they sell a truckload of them. I really do.  Maybe this is the new bike they need to get non-Guzzi people interested and making the switch. I hope so.

[bad Chad]

Where did you get $14k?

[swooshdave]

Ummm yeah my understanding is the roamer or bobber don't make 80hp no matter the height of the C17 you push it out of. Although you would be hoping with the relatively new motor int he Roamer and Bobber there was room for development.

I see the horsepower calculator at Moto Guzzi is still working the same as when the original LeMans 850 was released.

[pyoungbl]

Either you have dropped an "h" and the V85 is grossly overweight ... or .... I don't know what an "Ippo" is ?

More info...Chuck found an Aero engine that was military surplus and installed it in a small block frame.  This was much more complicated than it sounds.  He's too modest to bring this up but it was quite an engineering job.

[roadscum]

Oh, I don't WANT an ADV bike.

I wouldn't mind an upgraded smallblock with USD forks and dual discs though.

My interest in this bike is:

* I hope it is wildly successful for the brand
* I hope that success prompts more road going variants on the same chassis.

Then this is NOT the bike for you. 

Paul

[Kev m]

Then this is NOT the bike for you. 

Paul

Right, that was never in doubt.

In case you're having problems keeping up I was talking about what I like about it and what I don't, and what I hope comes next on the chassis.

Ya know, trying to be positive and all that.

[twowheeladdict]

Is this correct?!?  

Does 55 HP seem a little...."anemic" to everyone, or it is just me?

Considering that the klr650 travels the world with only 35 hp or so I'd say that 55 HP is pretty damn good!

[bpreynolds]

$14,000.00?!!!!!  For only $2,000 more to get a 1400CC Stelvio.  That would be an easy decision to me.

But, I hope they sell a truckload of them. I really do.  Maybe this is the new bike they need to get non-Guzzi people interested and making the switch. I hope so.

Not saying right or wrong either way, but seems "about" in line...(and most of these below have "destination charges" with them as well)
Triumph Tiger 800 - varies between base price of 12k all the way to near 16k for XLT
Suzuki Vstrom 1000 - 12,999 base, 13,299 for XT
KTM 1090 Adventure - 14.699 base
Kawasaki Versys 1000 - 12,999 base
BMW 800GS - base 12,299 for 2017 model, not sure on '18.

[Cam3512]

I don’t buy a NEW Guzzi (2 so far) for its resale value.  I buy it because I LIKE it.  If you wanna wait a few years until they’re giving them away, have at it.  I’ll be enjoying mine long before that.

[kingoffleece]

Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
You guys that want a standard or cafe racer with this motor will just have to wait.
Guzzi blew it with the V9. The styling killed it.

Pete

Whatever the Stelvio is or is not, I've seen a guy ride circles around several top notch naked street bikes.  Enough so to make them look foolish.  With the right pilot that overweight bike can embarrass almost anything in the twisties.
But, I digress............ ...........

[Paul Brooking]

Whatever the Stelvio is or is not, I've seen a guy ride circles around several top notch naked street bikes.  Enough so to make them look foolish.  With the right pilot that overweight bike can embarrass almost anything in the twisties.
But, I digress............ ...........

Firstly  I am NOT the greatest rider ... (Doubtful that Id even qualify as the "right Pilot") .. But

Constantly amazed how easily I can keep up with the Hill's Kamikaze HSZHZ1000's when I am riding in the hills on my Stelvio (with Dual Purpose tyres)
I guess they must all be having a bad day 

[Kev m]

I remember back in the 90's there were guys on GSs embarrassing guys on more sporting mounts on the track and street.

Now I'm sure rider skill had something to do with it or we'd see GSs in races right.

But I think physics might have something to do with it as well. A combination of tall center of gravity makes for greater lean angles AND less of a need right? Wouldn't the effect be like a lever, more force with less lean on the end of a longer lever?

[Paul Brooking]

I remember back in the 90's there were guys on GSs embarrassing guys on more sporting mounts on the track and street.

Now I'm sure rider skill had something to do with it or we'd see GSs in races right.

But I think physics might have something to do with it as well. A combination of tall center of gravity makes for greater lean angles AND less of a need right? Wouldn't the effect be like a lever, more force with less lean on the end of a longer lever?

BMW 900/1000s did exceptionally well in Australian production endurance races in the 70's & 80's. (3 & 6 hour racing on standard bikes/standard tyres (allegedly  )
The BMWs were much less abrasive on the tyres and, with a driveshaft, much easier and quicker to manage compulsory tyre changes.
I don't remember MG LeMans getting the level of support, I suspect that the BMW's factory support had a lot to do with their success.

[Huzo]

But I think physics might have something to do with it as well. A combination of tall center of gravity makes for greater lean angles AND less of a need right? Wouldn't the effect be like a lever, more force with less lean on the end of a longer lever?

No Kev, that simply is not true.
Remember that there is an equal vector trying to stand the bike up, as there is trying to lay it down, they operate through the centre of mass.
The distance of that c of m from the point of support on a system where the sum of moments is zero, is not relevant.

[Kev m]

No Kev, that simply is not true.
Remember that there is an equal vector trying to stand the bike up, as there is trying to lay it down, they operate through the centre of mass.
The distance of that c of m from the point of support on a system where the sum of moments is zero, is not relevant.

Nutz

[twowheeladdict]

Whatever the Stelvio is or is not, I've seen a guy ride circles around several top notch naked street bikes.  Enough so to make them look foolish.  With the right pilot that overweight bike can embarrass almost anything in the twisties.
But, I digress............ ...........

You could make that statement about any bike with the available lean angle needed to negotiate the turn at speed.  Rider skill trumps type of bike every time. 

[jas67]

I would expect to see a new Lemans with the same engine (not the aero).

 

Bring it!

[roadscum]

No Kev, that simply is not true.
Remember that there is an equal vector trying to stand the bike up, as there is trying to lay it down, they operate through the centre of mass.
The distance of that c of m from the point of support on a system where the sum of moments is zero, is not relevant.

Absolutely, low center of gravity and centralized mass for quicker rotation is the winning ticket.

Truth is the skill of the nut on the seat is usually the determining factor for a win.


Most BMW riders I know ride a lot a miles and have honed their riding skills on the roadway. That experience and the skills they developed means they may be able out ride the less skilled weekend warrior on a sport bike, you know the guy who thinks 100 miles is a looooong ride.

Paul

[kingoffleece]

You could make that statement about any bike with the available lean angle needed to negotiate the turn at speed.  Rider skill trumps type of bike every time.

Spot on, sir.  Spot on.

[MadMike]

Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
 

[Cam3512]

Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
 

Well said Mike!

[Kev m]

Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.

 


Of course Mike you did manage to get that same bike stuck in the Wharton forest what, not 25 miles from home as well.