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Where did you get $14k?
In the article. 12,000 Euros. Then I converted 12,000 Euros to dollars, which comes to $14,042.04.
I thought that was almost never valid? That companies like Piaggio/Guzzi, Harley, Ducati etc. all price bikes for a given market.For instance you can't convert the price of any Harleys in the US to Euros and arrive at the actual price, most would be off by thousands (Harleys are luxury priced in the EU).I feel like people were trying the same thing before the Mk 1 single throttle body bikes showed up here and they were way off then too.
WOAH, no you completely missed my question. I'm not talking about counter-leaning during low speed maneuvers. I'm talking about leaning into the turn while corning at moderate to high speeds to counter the force trying to slam it to the ground toward the outside of the turn.I'm asking if the taller suspension doesn't have a net positive effect making it easier because the center of mass is where your butt hits the seat, why does this shift I describe above (the kissing the mirrors) have an effect?
That's gunna' be a problem if you're waiting for the " green light..."
Here Kev - read this: https://www.wired.com/2015/08/motorcycles-lean-far-without-tipping/ In the case of taller suspension and the resulting higher CG, you will require a higher 'fake force' to counter the higher 'mg' force. Taller bikes feel heavier because their GC is further from the fulcrum (ground). As a consequence, a higher 'friction' force (speed) needs to be applied at any given lean angle. Tall enduro bikes with skinny / knobby tires are an extreme example. You only get a fraction of the lean angle on an XR650 than you will on an R1 due to the high GC and low tire friction.[/url]
I understood most of that. But what then changes when you lean your upper body and head closer to the mirror on the downside. I mean my wedding tackle is still tickling the shifter either way, but I've been taught by a riding instructor that "kissing the mirror" like that reduces lean angle for a given speed.
A pendant hanging from your rear-view mirror while turning, orAn airplane making a coordinated turn, orA motorcycle going around a curved road�The angle is the same. What defines the angle? Velocity, radius and gravity. That�s it. Mass isn�t there and neither is the length of the string holding your pendant nor the height of the motorcycle, nor the weight of the motorcycle.(V^2)/r = g tan thetaI'm pretty sure Gallileo would have known that equation. Next up: we'll drop two balls from a tower: one heavier than the other...
Only if you're a moron and don't know the top and bottom lights in the traffic light mean different things.
That does look nice indeed.
Biggest factor in lean angle is traction. Narrower, knobby and/or harder tires will reduce available traction (friction) so you have to adjust. Same with surface - dirt, oil, tar strips, paint, road composition, suspension, tire profile, rubber compound and what many forget, tire age. The skilled motorcyclist will adjust their body position and riding style to use what traction is available. Ever ride an old bike with hard tires in the rain over horse manure? Better use lots of body and keep the bike as upright as possible (my Amish PA tour last year). 'Kissing the mirror' moves your body mass forward, down and to the inside of the turn which helps put weight on the front tire and keep the bike more upright, ostensibly helping improve tire friction. But back to the V85 - will be interesting to see how it handles. I suspect a longer, more compliant suspension will be nicer on rough roads than anything you can do with the V7 setup.
A pendant hanging from your rear-view mirror while turning, orAn airplane making a coordinated turn, orA motorcycle going around a curved road…The angle is the same. What defines the angle? Velocity, radius and gravity. That’s it. Mass isn’t there and neither is the length of the string holding your pendant nor the height of the motorcycle, nor the weight of the motorcycle.(V^2)/r = g tan thetaI'm pretty sure Gallileo would have known that equation. Next up: we'll drop two balls from a tower: one heavier than the other...
The lean angle is affected by the location of the CG. Move the CG to the inside of the turn and less lean angle is required to go around the turn than if you move the CG to the outside of the turn.
Is this correct?!? Does 55 HP seem a little...."anemic" to everyone, or it is just me?
The C of G does not alter it's position.Only the distribution of rider and machine masses relative to each other.If the C of G was "inside" or "outside" of the turn, there would be a resultant vector in the "rolling" plane and the whole shooting match would go arse up..!It's an inconvenient truth, but truth none the less.
I AM talking about the CG of man and machine. You can't ignore the man because the bike doesn't go around corners without him. Why would you even focus on only the CG of the machine? Just to prove a point? The system going down the road consists of machine and man. When the man leans into the turn the CG moves to the inside of the turn resulting in the machine not having to lean over as far thus less chance of exceeding the traction of the machine. If the man leans away from the turn the machine has to lean over at a greater angle to navigate the turn.
Yeah that's not in dispute.I dunno where you think our differences of opinion lay. Can't be bothered discussing by text..
when you tried to tell me that the CG does not alter its position. The CG of the "System" does alter based on rider position, luggage, accessories, etc.
Guzzi is still claiming 80hp at the crank!
