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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1290 on: February 09, 2019, 08:21:04 AM »
If Guzzi/Piaggio can nail this, then it could mean much more foot traffic for the dealers.  Not everyone who comes in will leave on a V85, but will get a good look at a Guzzi in the metal (some will buy V7s and others) which is much more impressive than on the printed page or online.  A good thing.  But, nailing it for me means having a bike that is not a beta tester for the early adopters and critically, having it to the dealers in the spring.  I don't think the track record on either of these has been very good in the past.  I don't think this matters as much with anyone who is on the forum because we are the hardcore, but if they hope to expand their base even a little, they have a lot to overcome with the rest of the riding public.  I have a good riding friend who buys a lot of bikes and has had 5 MGs over the years, the last new one in 04.  That bike was such a nightmare that he won't even consider them now.  He could possibly be won back if Piaggio can match the experience he has had with several modern Triumphs he has bought recently.  They don't have to and can't really be expected to meet Japanese standards, but much better than in the past.  My California has been nearly flawless in 10k+ miles, but they need to convince others that the bikes are that good.  Although no one has said it, in corporate HQ, they could be deciding MG's fate based on the launch of this one bike.  Here's hoping.

Japanese bikes unfortunately aren't without their issues.  If you spend enough time on the japanese bike forums you will see what issues they are plagued with and the extra maintenance required that doesn't even show up in the service manuals. 

Plus, they cost less not because of the exchange rate or their willingness to make less profit.  They cost less because they moved production to countries with lower wages, they use budget materials and components, etc. 

People are constantly chasing down rattles, stators are going bad, fuel pumps going bad, water pumps going bad, poor lubrication of bearings from the factory, water intrusion in swingarms, crappy chain adjusters, budget suspensions. 

Just about every Japanese bike I have owned has had some kind of recall and needed some type of warranty work performed.  More so after production got moved out of Japan. 
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1291 on: February 09, 2019, 08:41:09 AM »
Japanese bikes unfortunately aren't without their issues.  If you spend enough time on the japanese bike forums you will see what issues they are plagued with and the extra maintenance required that doesn't even show up in the service manuals. 

Plus, they cost less not because of the exchange rate or their willingness to make less profit.  They cost less because they moved production to countries with lower wages, they use budget materials and components, etc. 

People are constantly chasing down rattles, stators are going bad, fuel pumps going bad, water pumps going bad, poor lubrication of bearings from the factory, water intrusion in swingarms, crappy chain adjusters, budget suspensions. 

Just about every Japanese bike I have owned has had some kind of recall and needed some type of warranty work performed.  More so after production got moved out of Japan.


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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1292 on: February 09, 2019, 09:28:28 AM »

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I've had my name on the pre-order list since last summer...though listening to the wisdom of those on this site and all my MC and MG friends and what I know having purchased my first bike over 45 years ago...I'm going to wait and see what happens...too many unknowns at this point and with MG intentions using the engine on subsequent models I'm looking forward to what comes while pulling my name from the pre order list. Totally love everything about the bike...but was hoping for less weight. Still very interested but being patient

Hopefully enough people will buy this bike for Paggio to justify coming out with other models.  It is of interest to me but only if I am willing to part with what I currently have and I don't see myself doing that anytime soon.  If I were to add a dual sport back in my life it would have to be closer to 300 lbs and able to do a true 70 mph for those times when I need to jump on an interstate for a few exits to avoid a small city. 
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1293 on: February 09, 2019, 10:04:19 AM »
2wheel:  Thanks for helping me make the point.  I am guilty of 90s thinking.  I have not had a Japanese bike in over 20 years, so I guess I was as inadvertently unaware of the fall of their reputation as most of the riding public is about the better quality of our beloved Italian machinery.  Funny how time gets away from you.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1294 on: February 09, 2019, 12:11:19 PM »
If Guzzi/Piaggio can nail this, then it could mean much more foot traffic for the dealers.  Not everyone who comes in will leave on a V85, but will get a good look at a Guzzi in the metal (some will buy V7s and others) which is much more impressive than on the printed page or online.  A good thing.  But, nailing it for me means having a bike that is not a beta tester for the early adopters and critically, having it to the dealers in the spring.  I don't think the track record on either of these has been very good in the past.  I don't think this matters as much with anyone who is on the forum because we are the hardcore, but if they hope to expand their base even a little, they have a lot to overcome with the rest of the riding public.  I have a good riding friend who buys a lot of bikes and has had 5 MGs over the years, the last new one in 04.  That bike was such a nightmare that he won't even consider them now.  He could possibly be won back if Piaggio can match the experience he has had with several modern Triumphs he has bought recently.  They don't have to and can't really be expected to meet Japanese standards, but much better than in the past.  My California has been nearly flawless in 10k+ miles, but they need to convince others that the bikes are that good.  Although no one has said it, in corporate HQ, they could be deciding MG's fate based on the launch of this one bike.  Here's hoping.

I do think a lot of the issues can be done at the dealer level also.. I think you will get a much better bike out of a MG dealer that cares about the brand, then one of the shops where MG is just a filler product. Agean a lot of this comes down to a brand that WANTS to support, and build a dealer network...and we all know that beaten horse...  I come from the new car end...  so maybe i am expecting too much, but a good dealership that is happy with the product is a place to buy a new bike.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1295 on: February 09, 2019, 09:20:56 PM »
I do think a lot of the issues can be done at the dealer level also.. I think you will get a much better bike out of a MG dealer that cares about the brand, then one of the shops where MG is just a filler product. Agean a lot of this comes down to a brand that WANTS to support, and build a dealer network...and we all know that beaten horse...  I come from the new car end...  so maybe i am expecting too much, but a good dealership that is happy with the product is a place to buy a new bike.

Thats a problem we now face in Australia, my previous local dealer was pretty good and had a definite passion for the brand. Unfortunately the national distributor changed and the new mob are one of the biggest players with their own multi franchise stores..I personally cannot stand their shops and the last one I went into just before Christmas had a few Guzzis just pushed into the corner..They are hurting the brand and they are making some good stuff..my 2015 Cali has been faultless and I would say better than any recent purchases from Japan.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1296 on: February 10, 2019, 12:10:44 AM »
Thats a problem we now face in Australia, my previous local dealer was pretty good and had a definite passion for the brand. Unfortunately the national distributor changed and the new mob are one of the biggest players with their own multi franchise stores..I personally cannot stand their shops and the last one I went into just before Christmas had a few Guzzis just pushed into the corner..They are hurting the brand and they are making some good stuff..my 2015 Cali has been faultless and I would say better than any recent purchases from Japan.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1297 on: February 10, 2019, 03:24:05 AM »
I just provided a bunch of parts for a crashed Cali 14 to a bike panelbeater in Canberra. The repairer ordered a couple of bits from PS. Bits ordered from me were cheaper than those from PS and arrived in two weeks since I ordered them. Still no ETA on the bits from PS.

Go figure........

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1298 on: February 10, 2019, 06:49:55 AM »
I just provided a bunch of parts for a crashed Cali 14 to a bike panelbeater in Canberra. The repairer ordered a couple of bits from PS. Bits ordered from me were cheaper than those from PS and arrived in two weeks since I ordered them. Still no ETA on the bits from PS.

Go figure........
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1299 on: February 10, 2019, 09:19:14 AM »
They just don't care..
Dunno why they even picked Guzzi up...?

The had Vespa before Piaggio brought out Aprilia/Guzzi I'd suggest it was a package deal.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1300 on: February 10, 2019, 09:55:59 AM »
Maybe mate..
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1301 on: February 10, 2019, 11:17:09 AM »
The bike is developed entirely at Aprilia. As are parts of the engine of the V7 I - II, and the complete engine of the V7 III and the V9. And that is why it will work. By the way, the magazine "Motorrad" has ridden a prototype bike for about 300 km and they like it.

I’ve never had an interest in Aprilias because in my view they make 100% Japanese style bikes, which is OK if that’s what you’re looking for, but in general I think the Japanese themselves make better Japanese style bikes.  That said, I can see this Aprilia designed chassis with a Guzzi driveline is not going to be a Japanese style bike (or BMW copy) no matter what they do, and this particular bike could end up being a fairly happy marriage if Aprilia can restrain themselves from applying too much scooter style plastic-crappola that biodegrades over time and causes annoying maintenance issues as it gets in the way and falls apart in your hands, with a replacement part 3 months out... 

Re Aprilia engines - I know a guy who was and is involved with development of Aprilia twins, and also in Guzzi driveline development because he is an old time Guzzi guy who ran a Guzzi tuning shop in a previous life.  He works for Piaggio in Pontedera, not far from where he grew up.  Piaggio plays games with their publicity material and what they tell journalists, implying Guzzis are designed in Mandello, Aprilia’s race bred engines are designed by themselves and so on.  As with most corporations, a lot of it is bending reality or outright BS.  Piaggio and its brands are in fact one company with multiple facilities, and in general multiple facilities are involved with the development of any motorcycle, sometimes including early stage design/styling work done in Pasadena - because their main concept guy bailed to California.  Some Vespas might be an exception to that ‘rule’. 

The same situation was BTW true under DeTomaso in the 70s, Benelli multis (the Japanese inspired Aprilias of their day) and Guzzis were designed by the same people and produced here and there, depending on model.  Guzzi made the engines for most of them.  The difference at that time was that Guzzi was the big dog, not the red headed step child with Aprilia somehow getting the spotlight despite never achieving the desired sales figures, just like Benelli.  Perhaps the V85TT in combination with the existing small V7/V9 small blocks can further correct that slowly changing imbalance and show Piaggio the way forward, where the Brevas etc failed to do so.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1302 on: February 10, 2019, 05:04:20 PM »
Japanese bikes unfortunately aren't without their issues.  If you spend enough time on the japanese bike forums you will see what issues they are plagued with and the extra maintenance required that doesn't even show up in the service manuals. 

Plus, they cost less not because of the exchange rate or their willingness to make less profit.  They cost less because they moved production to countries with lower wages, they use budget materials and components, etc. 

People are constantly chasing down rattles, stators are going bad, fuel pumps going bad, water pumps going bad, poor lubrication of bearings from the factory, water intrusion in swingarms, crappy chain adjusters, budget suspensions. 

Just about every Japanese bike I have owned has had some kind of recall and needed some type of warranty work performed.  More so after production got moved out of Japan.



I have  owned some Japanese bikes as well for the past 45 years or so , and have found they are not perfect for sure ...just most of the time :wink: ..they as compared to other manufactures are still  superior as to maintenance cost ,performance ,  and warranty service which they require far less than any other manufacturer ..
I must have got lucky in the models i brought and had relatively  no issues other than general maintenance  ...oh wait i did have a stater go on a Yamaha RD 400 but it was replaced by Yamaha within 2 days  of failure on their dime 4 months past warranty.



 
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1303 on: February 10, 2019, 06:53:30 PM »
 I had the wiring Harness of my 88 XS650D melt down on me. I guess it was trying to hard to be a Triumph.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1304 on: February 10, 2019, 07:36:01 PM »
Placing Aprilia as the flagship brand of Piaggio is similar to the illogical decision of naming the group that encompasses Porsche, Audi, Lamborghini, and Bentley: The Volkswagen Group. Having the brand with the lowest reputation for quality and performance as the spearhead of this group is retarded.
Same deal with Aprilia. Moto Guzzi had the dual overhead cam V8, pioneered improvements in rear suspension, had and still has a freakin' wind tunnel at their disposal yet all this is sidelined to promote a brand that, lets face it, will never materialize to much more than a nameplate that won a few races at the end of the previous century.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1305 on: February 10, 2019, 08:18:20 PM »
Aprilias haven't had Rotax engines for about 10 years, replacing the Rotax and Suzuki engines with in house Piaggio engines was job one after their acquisition.  The RSV Rotax was replaced by the V4 and smaller Piaggio V-twins.

I agree that Guzzi as a manufacturer and marque has far more intrinsic potential than any other Piaggio motorcycle, and if we live long enough we might just see it realized.  But first, Piaggio has to try every other wrong approach and fail with all them :wink:
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1306 on: February 12, 2019, 11:50:58 AM »
Here on Switzerland the V85 will be available from March-April and cost 12990 chf

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1307 on: February 12, 2019, 12:39:34 PM »
Here on Switzerland the V85 will be available from March-April and cost 12990 chf

you guys will get it and have more than a 1000KM before I see the bike arriving in Canada LOL...

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« Reply #1308 on: February 13, 2019, 04:54:09 AM »
I guess they are beginning to roll of the line now, obviously.  Any further ride reports out there?  I haven’t seen any;  I assume Guzzi will be doing a big official launch soon for the bike.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1309 on: February 13, 2019, 09:42:58 AM »
I guess they are beginning to roll of the line now, obviously.  Any further ride reports out there?  I haven’t seen any;  I assume Guzzi will be doing a big official launch soon for the bike.

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« Reply #1310 on: February 13, 2019, 12:08:07 PM »
From the assembly line:   :thumb:









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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1311 on: February 13, 2019, 12:27:04 PM »
That last pic... that's a classy looking bike. Certainly light years better than that Happy Meal Ronald McDonaldmobile toy paint job on the one I've been seeing everywhere else online.

But it's still a dad-bike.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1312 on: February 13, 2019, 01:56:56 PM »
hows your German?

https://www.motorradonline.de/motorraeder/moto-guzzi-v85-erlkoenig-2018.983808.html
Was terrible until I pushed the "translate to English" button at the bottom.. :rolleyes:

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1313 on: February 13, 2019, 02:04:47 PM »
the above is pure fantasy the 2v motor is dead !!
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« Reply #1314 on: February 13, 2019, 03:46:31 PM »
I like ronald mcdonald

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« Reply #1315 on: February 13, 2019, 04:06:51 PM »
How about a Beetle replica ?


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« Reply #1316 on: February 13, 2019, 08:11:32 PM »
:popcorn:  :evil:
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« Reply #1317 on: February 13, 2019, 08:34:26 PM »
So...took a day off so I could have a personal day aka clean house and stuff...

A friend called and we ended up somehow visiting bike shop  :boozing:

Long story short, paid a refundable deposit down for V85TT...but they don't know what color will show up...it is just like a lottery!

Anyway, was told first batch of bike for that shop should arrive mid May...and around 6 people so far signed up...

Let the wait begin!
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« Reply #1318 on: February 14, 2019, 04:24:27 PM »
Timmy, my dealer had a notice two weeks ago from MG that a grey one will arrive mid-April, and a red one in May. So it sounds like they are letting dealers know what color is being shipped.
I read the offer to state the deposit is only refundable for the first 30 days. Maybe that's changed?
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« Reply #1319 on: February 14, 2019, 04:50:23 PM »
Timmy, my dealer had a notice two weeks ago from MG that a grey one will arrive mid-April, and a red one in May. So it sounds like they are letting dealers know what color is being shipped.
I read the offer to state the deposit is only refundable for the first 30 days. Maybe that's changed?

Well, I AM in Canada lol...so maybe different info to us than to the states? My dealer didn't even know about the Red/Silver one until I told them LOL...

Also, my dealer is completely ignoring the "non-refundable after 30 days" thing...My guy says that we already don't have enough Guzzi riders out there that they don't want to piss off more potential ones LOL...

On top of that, my dealer figures they can sell whatever is coming if not to the user, it will be ported to near by province with little cost...

Well, that is what my dealer tells me LOL...
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