1400 in a Tonti frame!

[steven c]

Yikes!
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/mcy/d/1984-moto-guzzi-radical-guzzi/6441776679.html

[twowings]

Holy torque, Batman!!

[Matteo]

One hell of an antique!

[Old Jock]

Good Grief!!!!
Words fail me!!!!!

[flower_king001]

$36595 ? 

[flower_king001]

http://us-en.radicalguzzi.com/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=QiZm3GzJJTE

[guzzisteve]

Also here--
https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/1984-Moto-Guzzi-Radical-Guzzi-1400-5000771954

REAL Customs cost real money

[Chesterfield]

More from same builder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlyumMh8rUg

[Triple Jim]

"1400cc California engine (new) on tondi frame (1984)"

[bad Chad]

Great idea!    Pete R loves this kind of build.

[guzzisteve]

When you wind up 2nd and bang 3rd the splines will surely give and you'll be calling a truck.

[flower_king001]

Also here--
https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/1984-Moto-Guzzi-Radical-Guzzi-1400-5000771954

REAL Customs cost real money

Absolute...but with that money you could have decent examples of  a Lemans I,II and perhaps a 3.

[Andy1]

That bike is dangerous and should not be allowed on the road.  Those open carb bellmouths could suck in passing children and small animals........

Beautiful.....parti cularly the version in the V7 frame......somethin g Guzzi could do themselves
Andy1

[pete roper]

When you wind up 2nd and bang 3rd the splines will surely give and you'll be calling a truck.

The figures are absurd for starters, (I haven't even bothered looking but I've read numerous equally absurd claims out of Germany.) the latest was some clown who wrote to Mark bragging about his 189HP and 210NM of torque Carburetted shitheap. When asked he said it was running a standard helically cut five speed and a Cali1100-8/33 rear drive. Both of those components were designed for reliability with 60-ish HP and commensurate torque. Given that using a straight cut gearbox is worth 4 or five rear wheel HP on an 80HP race engined Guzzi you can imagine the amount of end thrust that is going to be imposed on the shafts and therefore the cases of a helically cut transmission if the engine really is making that sort of power and torque. The cases would burst like a rotten watermelon! Likewise the entire driveline. If the splines didn't tear off the driveshaft the pinion teeth would last about a day before it became a friction drive!

The head design of the 8V precludes absurd power increases, it's just the nature of the beast, sure it can be improved a bit and torque can be increased considerably but not by that much. It's a joke! But people will lap it up! What was it P.T. Barnum said about there being a sucker born every minute!

Pete

[Denis]

Why go through all that effort and switch out the fuel injection? FI is much of what makes the newer bikes what they are.

[Dukedesmo]

Where's the battery?

[guzzisteve]

The battery tray is where the centerstand was under trans. Why would they be selling it is what I wonder after spending all that doe and bringing it to US.

[arveno]

36 k ?
ah ah ah yeah right.............. ...

[troyhamilton]

I am afraid my ev1100 in my 850-t  is enuff to destroy a trans, so the 1400 will do it faster!

[rtbickel]

It seems that the challenge should have been how to put an entire 1400 drivetrain into the Tonti frame, complete with the FI and all of the associated gizmos that would ensure driveability and reliability of long term operation. 

[Turin]

it looks completely out of proportion, like a pole dancer who went crazy at the boob job shop.

I'm also tired of the whole no side cover, ghost battery, empty space thing between the frame rails.

[Denis]

I'm also tired of the whole no side cover, ghost battery, empty space thing between the frame rails.

THIS x 1000!

[pete roper]

it looks completely out of proportion, like a pole dancer who went crazy at the boob job shop.

I'm also tired of the whole no side cover, ghost battery, empty space thing between the frame rails.

Quite, what started out twenty five years or so ago as an interesting aesthetic novelty has now become a piece of pedestrian, derivative, copy-cattery. Even the 'Cafe' bikes that use a sensible powerplant suitable for purpose all seem to look like they have been squeezed out of a sausage machine as all the styling cues and most of the componentry is identical, bought from a catalog, bolt on garbage.

The Tonti frame was a truly splendid thing back in the day and they are certainly capable of being a user friendly, long term riding proposition but it's day was forty bloody years ago! Things have got a lot better since then. It's time to let it go.

Pete

[ohiorider]

I still like what some custom builders have done with the Bellagio.  Since it already has a big block 2v engine and CARC final drive, seems to me that might be more easily adapted to either an 1151 or 1400 4v/cyl engine.  And a whole bunch cheaper than this Tonti based bike.

[Huzo]

it looks completely out of proportion, like a pole dancer who went crazy at the boob job shop.

I'm also tired of the whole no side cover, ghost battery, empty space thing between the frame rails.

I was gunna' suggest a cross between John Holmes and Pee Wee Herman.
Yours is better.

[Tom]

it looks completely out of proportion, like a pole dancer who went crazy at the boob job shop.

I'm also tired of the whole no side cover, ghost battery, empty space thing between the frame rails.

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[Guzzistajohn]

Up until the pee wee Herman reference, I was sure this was a rerun of a thread from a year ago.no side covers, Pete says it’s sucks, yadda,yadda, yadda.

[LowRyter]

The figures are absurd for starters, (I haven't even bothered looking but I've read numerous equally absurd claims out of Germany.) the latest was some clown who wrote to Mark bragging about his 189HP and 210NM of torque Carburetted shitheap. When asked he said it was running a standard helically cut five speed and a Cali1100-8/33 rear drive. Both of those components were designed for reliability with 60-ish HP and commensurate torque. Given that using a straight cut gearbox is worth 4 or five rear wheel HP on an 80HP race engined Guzzi you can imagine the amount of end thrust that is going to be imposed on the shafts and therefore the cases of a helically cut transmission if the engine really is making that sort of power and torque. The cases would burst like a rotten watermelon! Likewise the entire driveline. If the splines didn't tear off the driveshaft the pinion teeth would last about a day before it became a friction drive!

The head design of the 8V precludes absurd power increases, it's just the nature of the beast, sure it can be improved a bit and torque can be increased considerably but not by that much. It's a joke! But people will lap it up! What was it P.T. Barnum said about there being a sucker born every minute!

Pete

huh.  I 'member a fellow that mod'd his Cal Vintage and sed it put out hunderd horsepower. 

WOW. 

And don't forget the Jet spark plugs posted here the other day.  And I bet no one has a Fish carbureted Guzzi yet.  Lots of room for big power.   We've only scratched the surface.  Heck with the Germans.

[Huzo]

A bit like he Triton thing in the featherbed.
So damn good every man and his dog had one. Not the that they weren't a good package, just as common as arseholes.
'Thought that a Cafe bike should be an extension of style and taste re-birthed in metal without any fundamental Achilles heels inherent in the design.
The poor bastard that buys it will be on his way home from his first "toss session" at a rally or similar and the arse end'll let go in a shower of crap and broken glass while the self proclaimed "Guzzi Cafe Guru" is pissing the money up against a wall in Vegas.
Forget abaarrrtt it !

[Tom]

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