V85TT ecu remapping

[jackren]

Hi everybody,

I own a 2020 V85TT since half a year , and like it a lot. This is my first street bike ( 35 years motor license , till now mostly enduro bikes)
I would like to get a bit(lot) more power , but specially torque out of the bike.
I installed big header pipes, decat y-pipe, dominator muffler and did sas remove.
Now I want to remap the ecu.
You read a lot of differnt opinoins on this on the web, and I was In doubt on which mapping option to choose.
Has anybody here experience with upmap and the maps from Beetle?  what is the difference in  power , torque output?

thanks,

Jack

[Caffeineo]

Beetle MAP. My V85 is E5 so can not be done yet except with upmap. Got a Beetle MAP for my Bobber Sport. It ran good but was just better with the Beetle MAP. Seemed to rev faster and still got 50 MPG.

[Dave Swanson]

BEETLE. 

I have an E5 V85 so am still waiting for a Beetle map for it, even though it doesn't need it.     I have used Beetle maps on 3 other bikes, and they were all great.  I am sure the V85 E4 map is a good one. 

[jackren]

I had contact with Mark (Beetle) and he said his mapping for the V85TT won't give any power increase , just a more liniar power curve.
I find that hard to believe with  the other mods I did and then a remapping, is he just modest?
While the company behind upmap promises huge power and torque gains.
I prefer doing the mapping with free software like guzzidiag so I have more control and also learn a bit about the whole proccess.

[Kev m]

I trust Marc implicitly with these things. He's not doing it for the money.

I don't trust (the claims made by) companies that market this crap.

Can you increase the hp/torque on modern motors? - sure, of course you can when you get rid of the unintended consequences of EPA/EU regulations. But, those consequences happen in increasingly small areas (throttle response at x rpm) not through the whole band where Marc will tell you the map was already rich.

And you've changed other factors, exhaust, air cleaner which is fine. But what matters for peak hp is the point of most restriction. Did you change that or was it the throttle body or valve train? And how have the changes effected flow? Like the straight pipes of Harley yore - did you completely trash your low speed torque for a few high rpm ponies where you'll spend only 10% of your time?

Because all components need to work together.

So you might get something - if done really well you might make a few more hp and possibly even be MORE efficient at parts of the map.

But if not done well you'll likely wind up with worse mileage or performance at parts of the map while polluting your oil with byproducts of combustion as you ride around grinning like an idiot at the 2 more hp you made that you think is 20 because it's louder.

OK - so all that said, who is most likely to give you a decent shop at the former instead of the latter? Marc - no question about that.

[jackren]

ok clear, Beetle maps is the way to go.
one more thing , I read a lot of positive reviews of Vtwinboost device from Mistral, is it woth while when also doing the Beetle remapping?

[mondtster]

I had contact with Mark (Beetle) and he said his mapping for the V85TT won't give any power increase , just a more liniar power curve.
I find that hard to believe with  the other mods I did and then a remapping, is he just modest?
While the company behind upmap promises huge power and torque gains.
I prefer doing the mapping with free software like guzzidiag so I have more control and also learn a bit about the whole proccess.

I really don't see any basic mods done to this bike increasing power by a noticeable amount. In other words, I agree with Mark's statement. I got a calibration file from Mark for my V85 and I also continued to optimize the tuning myself and have come to the same conclusion.

These bikes are what they are. Unless you make big airflow changes any gain you see is going to be small.

[mondtster]

ok clear, Beetle maps is the way to go.
one more thing , I read a lot of positive reviews of Vtwinboost device from Mistral, is it woth while when also doing the Beetle remapping?

Don't waste your time with those things. All they are is a band aid that fools the ECU into thinking the engine operating conditions are different than they really are. Those kind of changes are much better done by changing the engine calibration.

[yrunvs]

I have read that one could get a 12+- HP increase (torque?) but it would cost thousands of dollars.

[kingoffleece]

Better off buying that bridge in Brooklyn.

[Dave Swanson]

ok clear, Beetle maps is the way to go.
one more thing , I read a lot of positive reviews of Vtwinboost device from Mistral, is it woth while when also doing the Beetle remapping?

Vtwinboost with a Beetle map.  Definitely not. 

Mark tells it like it is.  He resides in the no BS zone.  I would trust his expertise and knowledge in this area over marketing hype.

[jackren]

For the Beetlemaps from Marc, did you guys all use guzzidiag, IAW7SM
reader/writer programs for this  and did it all work the first try?
I'm a little scared of destroying my ecu.

[Dave Swanson]

For the Beetlemaps from Marc, did you guys all use guzzidiag, IAW7SM
reader/writer programs for this  and did it all work the first try?
I'm a little scared of destroying my ecu.

Yes, and yes.  Even for a Luddite like myself it was easy peasy.  The documentation is so perfect it is hard to screw up.   There is absolutely no way to destroy your ECU unless you take a blow torch to it.

So easy even a caveman can do it. 

 

[jackren]

@Dave,

Thanks, I thought so but was a little in doubt after reading some posts at the guzzitechforum ( I think he only want to sell his own products , and therefore bashes other people who see it more like a hobby)

ps , I see on the picture you didn't connect your bike battery to the charger while connecting to ecu?
should I first test guzzidiag program to see if it connects ok, before reading/wrinting ecu?

kind regards,

Jack

[Dave Swanson]

@Dave,

Thanks, I thought so but was a little in doubt after reading some posts at the guzzitechforum ( I think he only want to sell his own products , and therefore bashes other people who see it more like a hobby)

ps , I see on the picture you didn't connect your bike battery to the charger while connecting to ecu?
should I first test guzzidiag program to see if it connects ok, before reading/wrinting ecu?

kind regards,

Jack

The leads are connected.  Take a closer look.  And you have figured out what is going on over there.   

[janguzzi]

If you are from Europe, this is the way to go:
https://shop.daes-mototec.com/de/waehlen-sie-ihr-fahrzeug-aus-187/waehlen-sie-ihr-fahrzeug-aus/category-348/V85-TT-349/motor-350/

Not easy to understand ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gelqGhHSLS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkmbRWqph9s

Now finally also E5 with Lambda=off
The DÄS modified MASS-Moto exhaust system is not cheap but very effective.

Roland Däs is a perfectionist, always looking for the optimal technical solution - no marketing blah blah blah

[guzzisteve]

That PowerGate is PowerCommander,

It is the OBD tool for up & downloads. 

[jackren]

If you are from Europe, this is the way to go:
https://shop.daes-mototec.com/de/waehlen-sie-ihr-fahrzeug-aus-187/waehlen-sie-ihr-fahrzeug-aus/category-348/V85-TT-349/motor-350/

Not easy to understand ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gelqGhHSLS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkmbRWqph9s

Now finally also E5 with Lambda=off
The DÄS modified MASS-Moto exhaust system is not cheap but very effective.

Roland Däs is a perfectionist, always looking for the optimal technical solution - no marketing blah blah blah

I'm from europe, (Netherlands) and I did see the video from daes-mototec before , and I think it sounds good but just like Todd's solution on guzzitech, way too expensive ( 1500,- + ) I could better spend a bit extra and buy the new stelvio
I gonna try beetlemap first.

[guzzisteve]

I installed a bunch of Beetle maps, they work.

[GuzziOrDeath]

That link to Daes Mototec is confusing. The Powergate 3 does NOT support the E5 bikes. The Powergate 4 does, however.



 

[1wild1]

I have not had the pleasure of riding a stock V85TT. I bought mine used with full mistral exhaust and upmap tune. Most people say the start to run out of steam at 6000 rpm's on a stock bike from what I have read. My bike will pull just as strong if not stronger climbing over 7.5k, I think I read the rev limiter is set to 8400 on the upmap tune. I have not pushed it that hard that high but there is no power loss. A lot of people say why try to make this bike faster, it's not for that, but this unicorn bike can do it all.  I usually put around but she's superb when hoooning it out on the back roads.  I also have no problem leaving it in sixth gear and lugging it around 45mph and up, something I've read they don't like.  So from what I read compared to my experience, my tuned bike is better to ride than a stock set up in every way.  But I would have never dumped the extra money into it if I had bought it new. previous owned had reciepts for 21k, I paid 10k.

[jackren]

Update,
I just installed the new mapping from Beetlemaps, did a quick test drive and happy with result.
Just as Mark promised, no real power gains but quit a bit more torque in the lower and mid-range.
Finally able to pull a wheelie   

[JStorm]

Put me on the list of satisfied Beetle customers. Just finished the remapping and throttle relearning. Bike starts and runs. Throttle works and no red triangles (after 2-3 throttle resets but knew this going in). I have not ridden it yet but expect things to work as others have reported.

A question for Beetlemapped 7SM ecu owners. Since the lambda sensors are no longer being used, I did not put them on the new exhaust and they are no longer plugged in. I have the CEL for those sensors "no signal". I half expected this but was hoping the disabling aspect in the remap would eliminate the need for them to physically be present.

What have others done in this case? I can plug them in and tuck out of the way but am leary of having the heated tips laying somewhere they shouldn't be. My exhaust is for an E5 so it has the small bungs up near the exhaust ports. I can weld in larger bungs and install the sensors but that just seems to be a waste of effort! I am open to advice from my fellow Beetlemapped brother!

Thanks, Jay

[steven c]

 Silly guestion< but where how do you get the beetle map?

[guzzisteve]

He's not here anymore cause some here have pissed him off too many times. Here's his site--------

https://www.griso.org/

[JStorm]

A follow up after a few weeks with the Beetlemap on my 2020 V85tt.
To start, I had a CEL for each Lambda sensor being not present. Odd since they should be disabled. Emailed Mark to clarify this and was told it's not right. I'm the first to report the issue and he would look into it. Ok cool, thanks! I have since welded sensor bungs onto the headers and reinstalled them. Reset the ECU to get rid of the CEL and have just been riding that way. I'd like to remove them if they are disabled and plug the openings. Maybe monitor with a pair of wideband O2s for my own entertainment and ever-curious pursuit of knowledge.

Cold starts are rougher than the stock map was. Takes a minute or so of hunting up and down before setlling into a smooth idle. Normal riding shows a flat feeling off-idle or after gear changes, surges to a stronger acceleration until I roll out of the throttle or level off into a steady cruising rate. Not really problematic but it doesn't seem like an improvement over what it was. The decat exhaust came with all new header pipes which are not double wall like the stock setup. I can see a difference in bluing of the pipes indicating they are probably not running very even, from a fuelling standpoint. I can still see the lambda values in guzzidiag but have not tried logging while riding. I find it odd to see the values if they've been "disabled" in the map. I have not discussed this with Mark yet. I have yet to look side by side at the maps in tunerpro, though I have looked at them both. (Have to sort out the "compare bin files" function. I would like to compare them and look for differences.

In summary, my bike runs after the reflash. I didn't brick the ecu. Once warmed up it seems to run ok. The new map is certainly not "transformative" as others have reported. I will continue to communicate with Mark to see if maybe I need a revision or something.

I would add pics of the guzzigiag showing the codes and the exhaust for sensor placement and bluing comparison. Imgbb is not playing nice tonight.

Thanks for reading,
Jay Storm

[Saladin]

If you are from Europe, this is the way to go:
https://shop.daes-mototec.com/de/waehlen-sie-ihr-fahrzeug-aus-187/waehlen-sie-ihr-fahrzeug-aus/category-348/V85-TT-349/motor-350/

Not easy to understand ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gelqGhHSLS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkmbRWqph9s

Now finally also E5 with Lambda=off
The DÄS modified MASS-Moto exhaust system is not cheap but very effective.

Roland Däs is a perfectionist, always looking for the optimal technical solution - no marketing blah blah blah

I have begun going down this path and can confirm that Roland has been excellent to deal with, despite a 20,000km distance separation.

[tazio]

I installed a bunch of Beetle maps, they work.

Yup! And thanks again Steve,  still running like a Freight Train!

[rocker59]

I own a 2020 V85TT

I would like to get a  lot more power , but specially torque out of the bike.
 

You're gonna need a bigger bike...

[guzzisteve]

Power you want? Better get a BigBlock!!!!!! No substitute unless you go water cooled BB.