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Yep. If you look at used car values, average mileage has been considered right at 12,000 miles per year for a long time. 40 miles per day, 300 days a year, 12,000 miles. 40 is the right number.
I expect that you've already found the flaw in that statistical logic. I can put 12,000 miles a year on a car, and never ONCE put 40 miles on it in a day. Matter of fact, I almost never do. My car is generally either in the shed or running 200 miles somewhere ...I can conclude from your example that a man with one foot on a hot stove and one foot in a bucket of ice can be very comfortable .... !
Battery "swapping" stations probably manned by min wage folks...o dear, not to mention you may be swapping you new batteries for a set that are charged but near the end of their cycle limit...
As for buying a vehicle for an emotional reason , well , Harley Davidson built an empire on exactly that , as did most other motorcycle manufacturers, funny to see that argued on a motorcycle forum.
Looks like it's got a ways to go. Within 50 miles of me, I'll estimate that there are 1000 gasoline filling stations where I can put 600 miles of range in my car in 2 minutes. In that same area, this map shows that there is MAYBE 1 charging station that can put 150 miles of range into my car in .... well, I haven't got that much time to wait. Why isn't the infrastructure enhancement being made at a furious pace right now, to change that 1-to-10,000 ratio of charging/fueling stations? You'll have to ask the people with money to invest in it to harvest these enormous returns; for some reason, they don't seem to believe that the opportunity is there ... ?But alas ....Lannis
The biggest issue with battery swapping is that vehicle manufacturers have not found it advantageous to package batteries in a swappable form/access factor. They've thought about it but for now rejected it for production. Cramming batteries into every available space has taken precedence.Motorcycles are in general sold for utility, worldwide. Re HD, 236,000 units per year compares with 90 million total annual vehicle sales. 0.26 percent is not an empire or representative of the market as a whole.
I get it...you're not a candidate for an EV car...no problem. Maybe your neighbors or surrounding community aren't either. That's OK too. But across the nation, there is a growing population of people who are opting for this and it will spread. I don't know at what pace or what density it will fill in the open spaces... Good thing is it's not mandatory, no one will force you to buy an EV anytime soon I think, so you can observe, opine and otherwise guess on what the future will be without any negative impact to yourself. Isn't that wonderful! :)On a side note, I was pleasantly surprised last year riding up to the Wisconsin rally to see a Tesla zoom right by me in the middle of Kansas with Colorado plates, and thinking that the only way he could be doing that was there had to be sufficient charging stations along the way, and he was probably patient enough to sit and have lunch while recharging...rather than what we all do which is gas up and go.
Maps with dots to show chargers are damn misleading in their scale. One of those dot, though impressive would cover several square miles. Does that mean that each dot represents X # of charging stations? If so how many??Hummm
Ah Elon, I understand that he was a great admirer of P.T. Barnum...:-)
It's funny , we built an entire infrastructure to support gasoline burners , and yet somehow we can't build an infrastructure to support E vehicles Dusty
I get it...you're not a candidate for an EV car...no problem. Maybe your neighbors or surrounding community aren't either. That's OK too. But across the nation, there is a growing population of people who are opting for this and it will spread. I don't know at what pace or what density it will fill in the open spaces... Good thing is it's not mandatory, no one will force you to buy an EV anytime soon I think, so you can observe, opine and otherwise guess on what the future will be without any negative impact to yourself. Isn't that wonderful!
Like I’ve been say throughout this very enlightening thread, as soon as a 300 mile EV hits the market and at a reasonable price, many of us naysayers will jump on the EV band wagon. What say y’all?
\\It will also depend on the recharge time. If say, you could charge another 150 or 200 mile for half an hour while having coffee or lunch, it would be more practical. It's it's 2 or 3 hours, can count me out unless it's around town-er. Of course bikes carry much less weight, will probably not have the issue for recharging, but would for range.I think the 300 mile barrier is close and already available on some of the more expensive EV cars.
He might be unstable or crazy or whatever, but I'm not here to judge the man himself...just talking about Tesla as 1 example of EV. Again, if Tesla ends up owning 30% of the EV market today, and with growth in 10 years ends up owning 20% of the EV market down the road, that tells you that there are others (people or companies) who are willing to place bets on this sector of the transportation market.I'm staying away from judging him personally...althou gh I do wonder where he gets his weed...presumably it's some of the good sticky icky from up in Mendocino. :) anyway..back to the topic at hand!
Range and cost are definitely factors. But I actually think the range argument is WAY overblown (not overblown for everyone of course, but for literally tens of millions of families). Case in point, like literally 99% of the 100's of homes home in my suburban-ish neighborhood, my wife and I have 2 cars. It used to be 2 ICE cars, a Toyota Highlander and a Mazda3. Now it's the Highlander and an electric Chevy Bolt. Since we have purchased the Bolt, the Highlander's annual mileage has dropped by more than half. We both like driving the Bolt way better than either the Highlander or the previous Mazda3 and only use the Highlander when we need to (long trip, pull a trailer, haul a bunch of stuff or people). It rarely gets used, and sometimes sits in the garage for weeks without being touched. The Bolt has a range of 240 miles, and the times when that isn't adequate are very rare, just a handful of times a year. I never even consider trying to charge the Bolt unless at home because the need for that just isn't there. It charges overnight, and in reality, that takes me about 10 seconds, 5 to plug it in and 5 to unplug it. On the rare occasions where we have a longer trip we can take the other car. Now of course, my circumstances aren't the same as everyone. But my point is, having lived in suburbia for much of my life, I know there are many millions of people who's needs could met by a modern EV (people who don't already own one).The biggest barriers seems to be cost, which is totally legit at this point, and range, which I think is mostly an imaginary problem for many many people.
Ha!You may not be old enough to know who P.T. Barnum was but on the contrary I admire his skills at reading people and markets, genius, bold and willing to take a chance on his ideas.:-)
Heck, any new car costs money and will depreciate like a rock falling into the Pacific.
