2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest

[sign216]

You guys might want to get out and spend some time around women. :D

I've tried, and the women object.

[kingoffleece]

This was MOST entertaining to read.  Wow.  It's hard to fathom how some folks process information. Seems pretty simple-buy the bike you want.  If something is not available get something else.

[rocker59]

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[Kev m]

No way could they have add much to the top gear it would have never pulled a true 6 speed overdrive.

I disagree... I still look for a 6th at times when I feel it's got plenty of pull and running at a higher rpm than necessary.

The lower first gear is more appealing to me then anything. It needed a lower first gear in my opinion. I'm running a 90 profile tire on the back and that may be why first feels tall. I can't remember what it was like with the 80 profile rear.

WELL then if you can't remember, MAYBE you can't judge if it could have pulled at a lower final ratio  :P  ;)  :BEER:

[sib]

Valve stems face left, I'll be turning those to the right when I change tires.

My '13 V7 Stone's valve stems also face left, and I intend to switch them to the right when I change tires. Curiously, all the other recent tubeless-tired Guzzis that my dealer has seen came from the factory with the valve stems facing right.

[sib]

The new transmission uses half the oil, has a oil pump and fits the old cases?

I like to see if it has any bugs the first year and how the shift linkage and shift feel after that.

Moto G. Never Perfect. Always Awesome!  ;D

The new gearbox does have a different case.  And, it doesn't USE half the oil, it CONTAINS half the oil.  It actually "uses" much less than half the oil, because the change interval, after the first 1000-km (621 mi) service, is 60,000 km (37,000 mi), compared to 20,000 km (12,400 mi) for the current USA V7 models.  So it actually uses 1/6 the amount of oil

[Vasco DG]

The new gearbox does have a different case.  And, it doesn't USE half the oil, it CONTAINS half the oil.  It actually "uses" much less than half the oil, because the change interval, after the first 1000-km (621 mi) service, is 60,000 km (37,000 mi), compared to 20,000 km (12,400 mi) for the current USA V7 models.  So it actually uses 1/6 the amount of oil

Pressure fed gearboxes are the norm with most motorbikes, it's just that most of those that use the system share their lubricant with the engine. The purpose of the pump won't be to spray oil around as some may think, it will be delivering the oil through the shafts to lubricate the pinions where they spin on the shafts. Whether the new box will use needle rollers here still I don't know yet but my guess would be that these will of been changed to bushes in the interests of cost cutting I may be wrong, I know nothing of the box yet.

The use of such a small quantity of lubricant is quite acceptable. If the new Smallblock six speed is similar to the one used in the larger bikes the shafts will run primarily on sealed 2RS bearings that don't require external lubrication. Apart from that there will be the primary gears and whichever set of pinions are delivering drive that will be carrying load and working the oil hard. The other pinions will simply be freewheeling and therefore barely working the oil at all so apart from lubricating the sub-pinion bushings/bearings there is very little work being done. Hence one assumes the small quantity and long service interval of the oil.

On the subject of the 60,000 km change interval is there also a time interval stated? Two years? Five years?

Pete

[Kev m]

The five speed is using more oil then a six speed. Could be why Kevin is looking for sixth gear, it something to do with the oil level then.

??? mongo no understand what you mean...mongo only pawn in game of life...   ???

[sib]

??? mongo no understand what you mean...mongo only pawn in game of life...   ???

Candygram for Mongo!  Candygram for Mongo!

And, let's not forget:  It's Mongo!!  Santamaria!!

[sib]

Whether the new box will use needle rollers here still I don't know yet but my guess would be that these will of been changed to bushes in the interests of cost cutting I may be wrong, I know nothing of the box yet.

On the subject of the 60,000 km change interval is there also a time interval stated? Two years? Five years?

Pete

Your guess is correct:  the parts book shows bushes all around, and no needle roller bearings in the gearbox.

As far as I can determine from my German/Dutch copy of the user manual, there is no stated time interval for gearbox oil changes.

[Kev m]

I told you how to fix the issue and bring the RPM's down. Put a 90 profile tire on the rear of the bike. It may stop that knee jerk reaction to feel the need for another shift up into 5th gear again.

Or sell the bike and buy one with the 6th gear which will drop it about as much as the tire profile change.

I don't need a 6th gear. IF YOU DO......THEN TRADE UP.

I'll give you Kelly Blue book trade in value for your 13 with the hard bags, extended sump, racer seat, tail bag, crash bars.

I'll even fly back to New Jersey and ride it back to California. Just have it washed, polished and serviced. Make sure you put in 10-60 oil I don't want 20-50 in the engine that will make it blow the frock up.

??? What's with the hostility?

Something going on IRL?

All I did was disagree with your assessment regarding power and theoretical point in the rpm band for highway use. That warranted such a response?

For the record, I'm not necessarily convinced the 90 series would be sufficient for what I'm talking about, but I'll keep it in mind if I want to experiment in the future. Then again, I just put a new rear on in the fall so it might be a while.

More importantly, I never claimed I "need" 6th, just that I could see it being a good thing and might help the feel of my bike at highway speeds.

Of course I could always just ride the Duc which has a 6th gear, but that's as relevant to this conversation as your rude suggestion there I somehow want or need to get rid of a bike I love.

And I still don't get the gear oil reference, or that 20-50 reference either.

<puzzled by the response>

[Kev m]

Didn't mean to come across that way, :BEER:

If you want a 6th speed or need that I'll help you out.

I'm all about compassion and helping my fellow rider. ;D

OK, if you're just busting my chops I can understand that.... Might even deserve it. :)

Like I said, not a need, but a not infrequent observation... Still LOVE my V7.

[Kev m]

Not a bad bike for the price. I purchased the bike for the simplicity.

True dat - ME TOO...

[jas67]

My '13 V7 Stone's valve stems also face left, and I intend to switch them to the right when I change tires. Curiously, all the other recent tubeless-tired Guzzis that my dealer has seen came from the factory with the valve stems facing right.

My '13 V7R has one facing left, the other lef -- annoying  :-\
I'd prefer both facing right.

[Lannis]

My '13 V7R has one facing left, the other lef -- annoying  :-\
I'd prefer both facing right.

You're one tire change away from fixing that.

Don't even have to wait for a tire change if you don't want to.   Minor annoyance, but I agree that it IS an annoyance for a frequently ridden bike that you check every ride ...

Lannis

[drlapo]

OK I went out to the garage to check the tire valve stems on my V7
its a Special so the valves are straight (tubes)

[Penderic]

Huh? Don't they just swivel around by hand when the air pressure is reduced?

 ???

[sib]

Huh? Don't they just swivel around by hand when the air pressure is reduced?

 ???

Shirley, you jest.

[Penderic]

Had them installed on my Goldwing 1200 - later, I turned the front one 180 degrees around so I could air up from the right hand side - much easier!

Just had to deflate the tire and the stem could be twisted easily 360.

 

[sib]

A pic of the ones on my '13 V7 Stone shows an O-ring and nut on the inward side.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/6hsAAOxyAbxTkwlV/$_35.JPG

If properly cinched down, I doubt it could be easily rotated. 

[rocker59]

for your viewing pleasure





 

[Rich A]

V7 II has CARB approval:

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/03/03/manufacturers/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v7-ii-series-gets-carb-approval-2016-model-year/

I'm guessing early fall arrival.

Rich A

[kevdog3019]

V7 II has CARB approval:

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/03/03/manufacturers/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v7-ii-series-gets-carb-approval-2016-model-year/

I'm guessing early fall arrival.

Rich A

Ain't that just the funniest acronym (CARB) for an Air Relations Board?  That is hilarious. "Just say NO to CARBS".

[Kev m]

That is hilarious. "Just say NO to CARBS".

 :D ;-T :BEER:

[sib]

for your viewing pleasure

I presume this is the new 6-sp gearbox.  Where on earth did you find these pics?  A thing of beauty.  Thanks.

[rocker59]

I presume this is the new 6-sp gearbox.  Where on earth did you find these pics?  A thing of beauty.  Thanks.

Moto Guzzi World Club Facebook page.

[coastdude]

The V7II Special is now available in Australia, I was lucky enough to get 1 of 10 Black & orange ones, it was only $500 more than the runout 2014 model. I'm not sure how to post a photo in this forum. But have added one of the V7 and my Pantah in the gallery. I've only put 500km on it since picking up last week but am real happy with it. Accessories like engine guards need to be specific to this model but rear end bits like racks appear to be the same as previous model.

[organfixsing]

Gear ratio figures I have from the Australian site are:
Gear Ratios:          1st   14/37 = 2.542:1
                          2nd   18/32 = 1.777:1
                          3rd    21/28 = 1.333:1
                          4th    24/26 = 1.083:1
                          5th    25/24 = 9.960:1
                          6th    27/24 = 0.888:1
Primary drive         Helical gear set ratio 18/23 = 1.277:1
Final drive            Helical gear set ratio 08/33 = 4.125:1
These are the only figures I have seen for the V7 II
Just as an aside, the BREVA 1100 does a little under 4000rpm @ 110Kph
Cheers
Brian  ;D

[Eunos9494]

I was at my dealer on the 18th and they said they had just gotten an email the day before giving them the option to start pre-ordering and the sales person hinted that there was even a delivery date in the email, but he wasn't comfortable sharing that date.  No idea if he was feeding me a line, but it does sound like the dealerships are starting to get some concrete information from Guzzi.

[Penderic]