VW, now THAT is a major problem.

[Kev m]

Commie pinko one-worlder sentiment.  The cure:  you need to get off the grid, get into camos, and ride your Harley more.

I'm not a big fan of organized religion, but couldn't that equally have been a Christian statement?

And well, LOL, but yeah, but I like the grid. I work in an oft-times empty house. It's nice to have some words (if not voices) other than my own in my head sometimes. 

[sib]

I'm not a big fan of organized religion, but couldn't that equally have been a Christian statement?

Ha!  The original commie pinko one worlder.  Well, maybe The Buddha was earlier.

[moltoguzzi]

Of course it's stupid why else do you think governments endorse and use them?

But the planet was dying as soon and it was created. Human beings are just one species in a never ending line of species to inhabit the earth. We won't be the last, many will come afterwards. Nothing can be destroyed, only changed into something else.

Humans can't and won't kill the planet, the planet will eventually kill off humans.

The idea that some tipping point, artificially created that if not crossed would mean humans would inhabit the earth until the sun goes Nova is preposterous. One way or another, humans are temporary inhabitants.

I love your college professor impersonation. Now I'll do my and put what you just said in a nutshell "f*** THE PLANET". I will always side with mother earth because as a very smart man with funny hair once said "If it wasn't for six inches of top soil and the fact that once in a while it rains we wouldn't be here."

[Penderic]

"Something" is coming! Lets all overreact before thinking.


Hold on to your wallet.

[LowRyter]

I thought Dusty WAS John Wayne?

No, Dusty is an American Hero.  John Wayne just played one on the screen. 

True.

[jas67]

And pollutes more than it should. There shouldn't be exceptions. We're all in this together, we should all be expected to meet the same standards.

And pollutes way less than the earlier models.

If I comply, VW should be required to compensate me for the lost value of my vehicles, in resale value, and/or in increased cost of ownership (which causes the loss in resale).

Now I realize globally that's a tougher issue to solve than it is in JUST the US.

And I realize plenty of people cheat it individually too, but that could change.

and non of those facts excuses the 500,000 on the road in the US now.

[Kev m]

And pollutes way less than the earlier models.

Irrelevant. Standards keep changing and going forward for a reason. You don't like the standards then buy an older one or work to change them. I sometimes think they're getting carried away with say motorcycle emissions or lawnmower, but the standards should progress.

If I comply, VW should be required to compensate me for the lost value of my vehicles, in resale value, and/or in increased cost of ownership (which causes the loss in resale).

That's between YOU and VW.

[Dogwalker]

And pollutes more than it should. There shouldn't be exceptions. We're all in this together, we should all be expected to meet the same standards.

Now I realize globally that's a tougher issue to solve than it is in JUST the US.

And I realize plenty of people cheat it individually too, but that could change.

and non of those facts excuses the 500,000 on the road in the US now.

Not to say of the unfair competition.
Everyone of those 500.000 veichles in US, and 11 million worlswide, had been sold to the detriment of competitors that used their money to develop real anti-pollution tecnologies, and not a software to recognize when the car is on the test bench.

[Kev m]

Not to say of the unfair competition.
Everyone of those 500.000 veichles in US, and 11 million worlswide, had been sold to the detriment of competitors that used their money to develop real anti-pollution tecnologies, and not a software to recognize when the car is on the test bench.

 

ABSOLUTELY and a fantastic point that shouldn't be lost on us all!

[rss29]

And pollutes way less than the earlier models.

If I comply, VW should be required to compensate me for the lost value of my vehicles, in resale value, and/or in increased cost of ownership (which causes the loss in resale).

Most drivers will likely comply, whether they want to or not. Even with no outside pressure compelling the owners to bring them in, the cars will be remapped or upfit any time they visit a dealership service department.

I think some sort of compensation will be offered to current owners. It probably won't be a cash payment- I envision some sort of trade in allowance or credit. Maybe an extra thousand bucks toward a new VW? Who knows. You could jump in on one of the class action suits to try to recoup some money, but all those will do is make the attorneys rich.

[jas67]

ABSOLUTELY and a fantastic point that shouldn't be lost on us all!

 :1:

Mazda was to have brought their Skyactiv Diesel last year, maybe the year before that, but, never did.    I'm assuming that it is because they couldn't meet emissions standards.    Before I bought either of our VW's, I was was watching for the Mazda 3 diesel to come out.   In my case, Mazda may have lost a sale to me because they didn't have their diesel out, when VW did, but, cheated to do so.

In fact, if VW was complying, there is a good chance that the Skyactiv turbo gas powered Mazda 3 would do as well on fuel economy as the TDI, and I might have gone for that instead.

[canuguzzi]

If what a car company makes today pollutes less than before and that makes cheating OK, then why bother making it pollute less, just say it does and be done with it.

[oldbike54]

 Fella here in town bought a new VW diesel 5 years ago , sure enough last week , bam , herpes .

  Dusty

[jas67]

Fella here in town bought a new VW diesel 5 years ago , sure enough last week , bam , herpes .

  Dusty

WTF?   

[oldbike54]

WTF?   

 Last night a panther ate a chicken .

  Dusty

[jas67]

Last night a panther ate a chicken .

  Dusty

And the cow jumped over the moon.

[oldbike54]

And the cow jumped over the moon.

 What color was the cow ?

  Dusty

[rodekyll]

I can see the direct cause and effect of all that, although a more shallow person wouldn't be able to associate the two over 5 years.   

Didn't Huckleberry Finn (or maybe his buddy, Tom -- or maybe it was Huckabee) tell the story of the town drunk who crossed paths with a black cat and a mere 5 years later fell off the shot tower in a dead drunk and died?  It was proof plenty of the black cat theory.

[oldbike54]

 Now we are getting somewhere . Seems to me , after much deep contemplation , and after reading most of the posts , is to have a bunch of old guys follow the affected VWs and pee up the tail pipes . It will help us old guys , and protect the environment .

  Dusty

[PJPR01]

Now we are getting somewhere . Seems to me , after much deep contemplation , and after reading most of the posts , is to have a bunch of old guys follow the affected VWs and pee up the tail pipes . It will help us old guys , and protect the environment .

  Dusty

  That's a good chuckle...except the Urea is supposed to be injected into the engine, not the tail pipe, kind of hard to pee in an engine while it's going down the road....now maybe VW will create a 4 way pee in system so all passengers can participate in this Dickensian Urea Heep activity! 

[oldbike54]

  That's a good chuckle...except the Urea is supposed to be injected into the engine, not the tail pipe, kind of hard to pee in an engine while it's going down the road....now maybe VW will create a 4 way pee in system so all passengers can participate in this Dickensian Urea Heep activity!

 "Dickensian Urea Heep" ,   

 Anyway , so we are in agreement that the solution is to pee on it ?

  Dusty

[Lannis]

Well dang John , THANKS ! Blushing a bit here , and I might say that guys like you that have lived and loved so well over an entire lifetime are pretty damned heroic also 

  Dusty

I hope this meeting of the WG Mutual Admiration Society adjourns soon ... the sugar, kittens, and butterflies are starting to cause problems with the system ....

[Kev m]

  That's a good chuckle...except the Urea is supposed to be injected into the engine, not the tail pipe,  Urea Heep activity!

Uh jokes aside, no that's not how it works. The DEF is injected into the exhaust.

[oldbike54]

 You guys make up your minds , do we pee in the intake or exhaust ?

  Dusty

[ITSec]

"Dickensian Urea Heep" ,   

 Anyway , so we are in agreement that the solution is to pee on it ?

  Dusty

It can all be solved by demons, wizards, and some easy livin'...

[lucydad]

VW just sucks.  I bought a 1977 VW Scirocco as my first car.  Design was brilliant.  Engineering was terrible, so were materials.  Worst car I ever owned by a mile.

Often I have pondered buying another VW.  Nice designs.  Decent prices.  But this corporate screw up, and lying, and deceit eliminates VW, and Porsche from any future purchase. 

Never.

[Kev m]

You guys make up your minds , do we pee in the intake or exhaust ?

  Dusty

Exhaust, but upstream of the cat.

Try not to burn yourself.

[rodekyll]

You guys make up your minds , do we pee in the intake or exhaust ?

  Dusty

Why must they be mutually exclusive?

[not-fishing]

VW just sucks.  I bought a 1977 VW Scirocco as my first car.  Design was brilliant.  Engineering was terrible, so were materials.  Worst car I ever owned by a mile.

Often I have pondered buying another VW.  Nice designs.  Decent prices.  But this corporate screw up, and lying, and deceit eliminates VW, and Porsche from any future purchase. 

Never.

Now don't be that way,I hada '72 Ghia that was a decent car.  Sure it took a year and a day to pass a car but the maintenance was minimal.

Reminds me of an old Guzzi.

Still I might buy a VW worth of stock instead of the car.........

[rodekyll]

The 72 Ghia was arguably the best 12v air-cooled VW built.  I'd have another.

The Sirocco was a rabbit -- first gen VW watercooled.