The New Improved GuzziDiag Tutorial

[motogoro]

just because I'm cautious (internet burned recently) is the Facebook "Beetlemaps" our Beetle?

[Dave Swanson]

just because I'm cautious (internet burned recently) is the Facebook "Beetlemaps" our Beetle?

Yes, one in the same.

[TheMuffinMan]

I had a hell of a time with the cable. I bought a Lonelelc cable and everything but it wouldn't be detected in a 3 year old high-end gaming laptop I even reinstalled windows for fresh drivers just to be sure it wasn't a driver issue. Then I installed linux on the laptop, still no dice. The cable was detected fine in my desktop computer but it's big, heavy, and watercooled; too much of a PITA to move to the garage. On my wife's 13 year old macbook the cable was detected, but guzzidiag wouldn't run on such an old mac. Even the cable was detected on a Raspberry Pi before I realized Guzzidiag wouldn't run on ARM processors. Finally I bought a new cheap laptop for $300 and the cable worked perfectly. 

But being pissed and wondering what the hell was going on I finally figured it out. The original laptop only had USB 3.1 ports, once I bought a cheap usb 2.0 hub and used that in between the Lonelec cable and the original laptop the cable was detected perfectly and worked great. USB is supposed to be backwards compatible but I guess for some things it's not.

[Huzo]

Can someone tell me what the meaning of these two terms are regarding stepper function ?
No intention of being a smarty pants here, but does he mean “brake” ?
I understand it has been translated from an acknowledged genius in another language but “brake” would make some sense to me conceptually.

[Huzo]

I just read this..


It helped quite a bit. At least now I know how much I don’t know...

[lucky phil]

Can someone tell me what the meaning of these two terms are regarding stepper function ?
No intention of being a smarty pants here, but does he mean “brake” ?
I understand it has been translated from an acknowledged genius in another language but “brake” would make some sense to me conceptually.

Not precisely sure but the throttle and rpm designated points on the fuel and ignition maps are known as "break points". So example, throttle angle break points horizontal and RPM vertical. So I would assume the stepper motor points are the same.



 

Ciao

[Huzo]

Thank you very much Phil.
I will try to get that into my head, so “break” is the correct term...
Good...

[moto-uno]

 Not too sure , but Windows based laptops seem to have a much higher success with Guzzidiag . Peter

[Huzo]

When you store/copy a map from your bike (Norge) for safe keeping, once it’s tucked away into your computer does your bike still have a “map” in there or does it need the new one loaded ?

[moto-uno]

  Question is a bit of a problem for me , are you asking if there's still a map after you copy the original to your safe keeping place ?
   I installed a "Beetle" map in my 2018 Eldorado , right after I saved the original to my laptop . I can't say that I bothered to see
  if there was anything there (In the Guzzi CPU) before installing the new map ( that was my only aim in the first place ) . The instructions
  at the very beginning ( in his tutorial) are good and I hope you've gone over them a few times to prep you for the install , and yes ,the
  Eldorado is a happier bike . Peter

[PJPR01]

The map is still there on the ECU, all
You have done is make a copy to your laptop. 

[Huzo]

The map is still there on the ECU, all
You have done is make a copy to your laptop.

Thanks Paul.
A good clear answer.

[lucky phil]

The map is still there on the ECU, all
You have done is make a copy to your laptop.

This is true and when you open Guzzidiag in the "ecu information" at the bottom l/h corner of the page you can see the ecu details and the "name" of the map installed. When you create/modify a map you can rename the map in the .bin file with Tunerpro and that will appear in the ecu information screen so you can recognise and keep track of what map you have fitted. All my maps are designated LPC#01, 02 etc so I can keep track of mine and others I have and the details of the map changes and individual maps is kept on my computer.

Ciao 

[Huzo]

Thanks guys.
The change has been done successfully.

[Yo Man]

Having an Apple computer seems to make this process a lot harder, for me anyway. I did manage to install John's latest map onto my Stelvio but I can't get Guzzidiag to open when hooked up to the bike. I thought maybe I would start from scratch and download Guzzidiag again and the computer won't allow me to open it. It's probably not that complicated but I'm no computer whiz, advice wanted.

[moto-uno]

  As per earlier experiences , purchase a used Windows based laptop with Windows 7 (seems to work every-time).
They can be had cheap enough and then you don't spend the rest of your adult life playing computer geek !  Peter

[Yo Man]

Good advice, thanks. I did finally get GuzziDiag to open and function properly; it took a lot of hit and miss attempts, plugging, unplugging, closing, opening, and other seemingly unnecessary and random activities. Not the way it's supposed to work but thankfully in the end it did.

[pauldaytona]

Good advice, thanks. I did finally get GuzziDiag to open and function properly; it took a lot of hit and miss attempts, plugging, unplugging, closing, opening, and other seemingly unnecessary and random activities. Not the way it's supposed to work but thankfully in the end it did.

Yes that's the Apple way. They change the environment for programs each version of the mac os. Combined with most mac users don't have a clue with what is happening under the hood. And we don't have different sorts of Apple computers to try every Mac OS and hardware on.

Any laptop with windows will work, only Windows on it is the best.

[SSRETREAT]

What is the difference in the mapping for a Stelvio 2015.  I would like to smooth out the low rpm throttle response.
and remove any fuel delivery limits for the European emissions control?

Thanks for the information. best I ve found for the Moto Guzzi Stelvio 2015

[Dave Swanson]

What is the difference in the mapping for a Stelvio 2015.  I would like to smooth out the low rpm throttle response.
and remove any fuel delivery limits for the European emissions control?

Thanks for the information. best I ve found for the Moto Guzzi Stelvio 2015

Welcome to the forum, and please take a moment to introduce yourself on the sticky thread.

Your questions regarding a Beetle map would be quickly answered by direct contact at griso.org

I have installed Beetle maps on both my 15 Norge and 16 Griso.  The maps transformed a grumblely and fairly rough feeling engine into turbine like smooth towers of power.  The transformations were astounding! Both bikes were given proper tunes to "Roper spec" also.

[Huzo]

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[fotoguzzi]

I just read all 14 pages of this and didn’t notice an answer to my problem.
So I got a windows computer, fresh as new, wiped clean before starting.
IM A WINDOWS DUMMY
I downloaded everything to the desktop so I can see it all.
I have the Guzzidiag and reader and writer programs.
I was able to connect with the reader and download my map.
Then downloaded tuner pro, should there be drivers for that?
When I try to open or import the .bin file to tuner pro it’s blank
Looks like it drops if I drag and drop but still see nothing.
I extracted the FTDI drivers but don’t see where they went. It says ready to use.
Do I need an XDF file? Don’t think I got that with the .bin file from the Norge.
Finding my way around windows is a maze, it’s not very intuitive.
I tried finding a tutorial for tuner pro but struck out on anything I could understand.
What am I doing wrong?

[GuzziOrDeath]

You need an xdf for the 5AM, otherwise you won't see anything in TunerPro.

Forget the FTDI drivers. If you were able to read the map, the they're installed and working.

[fotoguzzi]

I can not (see) read the map.
Do you mean if the reader can read the map, yes that worked.
Is the IAW 5AM PF1C the original factory map?

[GuzziOrDeath]

Yes, I meant your were able to read (save) the map with the Reader.

IAW 5AM PF1C is the ECU/TPS identifier, not the map version. The Reader will have saved a text file with all the map details at the same time it saved the map. Have a look at it. It will be in the same folder you where you saved the map. Check the date stamp and tester details. They will indicate whether it has been remapped or not.

[fotoguzzi]

Thanks, it appears to be original dated 11/08/2006



It’s done 94,000 miles, any reason to update it? Pretty sure I know the answer.

[GuzziOrDeath]

If you're happy with the way it runs, leave it.

[guzzisteve]

Just wondering what advantages would be in the newer versions of Diag besides doing newer models.
I'm running Diag VO.47 now there's .60, Writer .20 now there's .24, Reader .22 now there's 28. Reader & writer are for 5AM.
Just wondering if I need updated versions if I don't work on newer junk models that I don't deal with?

[GuzziOrDeath]

Nah. Unless you want to troubleshoot ABS in a Norge or Stelvio, et al.

[guzzisteve]

OK Thanks.  You got one happy guy today! Tazio on here got his Griso touched. I was the last & only one who's touched it and set it up new .  In 44Kmi it was almost perfect yet. Never an issue. He said "You let the Beast out!" today.