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I don’t know how you could have missed it John? It was a pretty recent thread, it went on for days on end. It was a good one if you like two sides arguing politics! I fell on the nonbeliever side myself, but I’d love to see some independent specs.
A mid 80s, sub 1000cc two valve motor making a reliable 100hp at the wheel???That sounds like someone’s doing a few to many lines.
Lowryter. Be prepared for the poopors, naysayers and people calling bullshit. Personally I have seen the bike and the Dyno sheets. This is not a 1400 that’s in the California and other 1400 models. It’s using ported 1200 heads, high compression pistons, custom cams and exhaust and intake. The whole motor is balanced. I find it pretty amusing that the some of the “experts” here will call bullshit on GuzziTech build but don’t bat an eye in excepting a higher HP and torque claims from a 4 Valve twin of another brand. I don’t get why it is difficult to accept that a mid eighties 2 valve Lemans motor could reliably make 100 HP but a modern Guzzi 1400 4 valve that is modified cannot make 140 HP. Todd at GuzziTech has put a lot of time and development into the bike and it is a beauty build.
Look up the bikes that Dr John built and endurance raced in the mid 80s. I believe that his 2 valve Lemans modified was making about 100 hp and was very reliable in race conditions. Bill Ross land speed 2 valve modified racer has many runs on it and has not failed. Just two that I know of.
The bike he won Daytona with was a Daytona 1000 4 valve prototype from the factory and it had 95hp. His two valve race bikes didn't have 100hp at the wheel. The MGS-01 had 120 at the crank, which is about 100hp to the wheel from 1,225cc.
The 140 RWHP figure for so bike is clearly nonsense but I think your numbers for the other bikes are a little low: an A-kit '93 Daytona or Centauro makes about 93 RWHP and a world-spec C-kit RS (stock engine) makes about 102 RWHP. I'd expect that Todero's prototype engine in the Dr John Daytona made well over 100 RWHP. The MGS-01s made considerably more than that due to roughly 20% greater displacement and some additional development work. My weak memory says the 120 HP number may have been at the rear wheel, which would be proportional to the displacement increase.
is there any documentation regarding the internals of the engine? Are the reciprocating parts lighter and balanced? Heads, valves and cams changes? Has the redline been upped?With a high twin cam design, it's possible to get it to run more rpms.
My understanding is that Todd is using the 1380cc heads, custom cams, dual throttle bodies, higher compression, and 8,750rpm to get his number. At least that was what was posted early on for his build.
Appears to me the bulk of the back and forth discussion on this topic is about HP. Who cares what someone claims? I know that I don't. That said, I will tell you that I dyno'd my X21 having 231 HP. Believing it or not is up to you. Nothing more will change in your life based on my claim Maybe time to move on. FWIW, I hope he sells a semi-truck load of them. Anyone going Guzzi, regardless of the Guzzi or where it came from is a win in my book. We need more riders of our brand.Disclaimer: I do not know Todd. Never met him. Never spoken with him. Couldn't tell you who he was in a lineup of 2 people. But, he is doing no harm whatsoever to the brand.
I don't recall anyone decrying the fact that something new from "Guzzi" is being foisted on the buying public.I get the feeling that it's the non factual claims being used to bolster the perceived desirability of the half baked concoction that irks those who are knowledgable enough to see the deceit..
Can't we just tell the truth ?Ugly as a hatful of arseholes..! It doesn't matter how big it's calculated power figure is...
Huzo- better than damn killer bird!I don't think I'd stroll around down there without 12 ga in my hands. I even remember the thread about the crazy neighbors much less the snakes, dogs and killer birds. I understand the whole place was settled as a prison- it sounds as bad as Oklahoma which was home to all the outlaws (James Boys, Belle Starr, Dalton's, Pretty Boy Floyd, even John Wilkes Booth).
