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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: kevdog3019 on December 28, 2013, 10:39:13 PM
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Ok guys, newbie at work on the project Lario to make it minimalistic (some may say cafe). This is what I come up with at the moment for starters. I don't want to fork over big $$ as I've already done that on the motor. I want to make it mine by doing something that both fits me and looks good. My creative juices are starting to flow and want input as to what you all think. I will fabricate brackets, etc. from aluminum sheet or whatever someone that knows better has used. I have decided the tank will work. The seat also seems to work for fitment. I can't sit my arse on the frame much lower as I look like a jockey and my knees are above the tank, so a true flat and thin cafe seat won't work. I'm thinking of leaving the back-end without a fender but would like input there. Thinking of a "tail tidy" instead. Somehow I have to fill in the sides of the rear portion of the frame/seat where it moves upward away from the frame. The fairing is a LM 1 copy and fits great. It will likely sit further toward the bike than the pic shows. The cluster looks funny where it is shown currently. I think that will be ok for now, but will likely fab my own mount with smaller tach/speedo later to minimize it. The front fender is already off the bike as that was just thrown on. I've got one that will fit great and simply need to make a mount. What do you suggest for starters?
Thanks,
-Kevin
p.s. Made first start-up today since receiving the bike from Ed. This thing is pretty potent to say the least and would wake all the neighborhood!
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I like your direction.. trim the front fender or get an even slimmer one. skip rear fender and make a cover like you say.. the seat looks a little to big but the shape is fine, goes well with tank and that looks great. maybe just a seat cover that has some seems to draw a shape idea matching the side covers ( I hope the side covers are not too big, maybe they should be black?)
Looks COOL!
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Thanks Foto. The seat looks a little shapeless in the photo. It actually doesn't look like a turd in person. That's a seat I made from a stock Lario seat last year. The fender you see is gone now. I have a sleek Airtech to replace it that's perfect. I can trim however I want. If I do anything to the under-saddle sides it's going to be extremely minimal. I have another idea of fitting the original rear (black) mudguard/fender and see what that fills. I can cut the plastic license plate to fit the look. We'll see, but yes, minimal. The other idea might be a simple fender to fill the void under the rear portion of the seat that extends upward. I would cut it short out the back probably. That might be the best bet. The rear of the tank also comes down a bit. Will lift and give it a straighter line. Does it need a transition from the bottom/back angled up portion of the tank to the seat? Something bothers me there.
Thanks
Kevin
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Great project kevdog!! My .02$ on the tail , Look up pictures for CB 750,900F model and the tail piece they use could easily be cut down or narrowed to suit the purpose.
Waiting to see the progress.
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Rinkrat, appreciate that! I did research the 750 and rather like the looks of the simple fender. Appreciate the ideas and they are feeding the creativity. I'm going to try putting the underseat splashguard back in which will fill the void under the rear portion of the seat (it's black), then see about adding a shorty fender and see what that gets me. That 750 is just a short job and could bolt in real easily.
Thanks man.
-Kevin
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Looking forward to the result - I'm not much of a bike designer, and stay pretty much at the stock look, but I'll follow your project with great interest - not to say your ride report once the season kicks in :pop
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Looking forward to the result - I'm not much of a bike designer, and stay pretty much at the stock look, but I'll follow your project with great interest - not to say your ride report once the season kicks in :pop
Brian,
The bike roared to life and sounded (shall we say) very substantial. :o The build to make it mine is more of me getting a picture in my head and making that picture a reality. Each day becomes a bit clearer, so soon I will start to work my piece of clay into the object I envision. The seat as you see it is out of the picture for this Lario as I have different ideas for that now. I'm looking forward to learning something most of all.
-Kevin
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Hello from England, I'll be watching your progress with interest. I can't help thinking the original tank, shaped at the back end to fit the side covers isn't an easy one to match up to anything else. Is cutting down the side panels just to cover the triangular bit an option? I intend using floating front discs on mine when (if) I get round to it as I think the brakes have a wooden feel and it might help. I'm led to believe that Le Mans 4 or 5 discs can be used, has anyone on here tried it?Also I believe I read in Guzziology that dropping the forks through the yokes is worth a try on the Lario. I've done it on a big block and it does quicken up the rather lazy steering, but has anyone tried it on one of these? I'll try it next year and see what happens. Anyway, good luck and a Happy New Year to you all.
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Hello from England, I'll be watching your progress with interest. I can't help thinking the original tank, shaped at the back end to fit the side covers isn't an easy one to match up to anything else. Is cutting down the side panels just to cover the triangular bit an option? I intend using floating front discs on mine when (if) I get round to it as I think the brakes have a wooden feel and it might help. I'm led to believe that Le Mans 4 or 5 discs can be used, has anyone on here tried it?Also I believe I read in Guzziology that dropping the forks through the yokes is worth a try on the Lario. I've done it on a big block and it does quicken up the rather lazy steering, but has anyone tried it on one of these? I'll try it next year and see what happens. Anyway, good luck and a Happy New Year to you all.
You are spot on with your observation of the rear of the tank. Before reading this I thought the same and did a little masking to see what it would do. Think "Lemans Gunfighter seat". The tank is more teardrop than the Lemans but shares common features I like. It's the rear that's a tough sell. Here's with another stock Lario seat I have. Feels good actually with this seat. What I'm thinking is simply flash the bottom of the seat-pan with aluminum to have it run straight with the frame rails instead of what you see. It starts back upward at midway point. That's a funky line so will add the necessary fill along the bottom. The black tail-end plastic bit will be cut off and a small fender added. The brakes feel fantastic now with the dual-pots. Very precise on the hand. The clutch is much truer also. I can push my stocker with the front brake added, that's how bad the hand brakes are. With this I will have to watch myself as I feel I could bring the back wheel up if applied hard. The Marzzochi forks are sweet feeling as well. No flex and solid feeling. I hate the stock forks. It is true that you can push the forks through the tt and get yourself some better handling. Suggested by Dave Richardson in Guzziology. Here's the latest.
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Kevin,
Sometime in the last few days someone mentioned a dented Monza tank. IIRC, that would allow easily available LMIII sidecovers to be fitted and be a bit easier to match up with a seat. Plus, looks cool with the right tail cone.
It would also change the entire visual dynamic of the bike...but you're doing that already.
Ciao,
Kip
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Yeah... have thought about Monza tank but hoping I can work with this. More time. I'm not wanting side-covers actually. I will move things and go with my LiFe battery. I want to see through the bike.
Kevin
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I can push my stocker with the front brake added, that's how bad the hand brakes are.
Something seriously wrong there..
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Something seriously wrong there..
How well does your hand brake alone (no linked added) work Chuck? If I really pull it's better but not nearly what I'd like or need.
-Kevin
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How well does your hand brake alone (no linked added) work Chuck? If I really pull it's better but not nearly what I'd like or need.
-Kevin
fine.. <shrug> ;D Seriously, something is wrong with yours.
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Though it's nothing to do with kevdog's problem, I see on IceBlue's Lario facebook page that someone has tried adapting a big-block-size caliper to the Lario fork as he reckons the master cylinder, the same as the Le Mans 4 one, is to big for the smaller caliper,and that's causing the 'wooden' feeling. He reckons it's improved things, so maybe the floating discs I was going to put on wouldn't help much. By the way, to help to satisfy my thirst for Lario knowledge I have obtained a copy of the Cycle magazine article from '88, it's just arrived and I'm settling down for a read...
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Is that the "Hot Pastrami" article? Interesting read. I've gone a step further with this one. Well, if you look closely to the bike pics you will see upgraded 2-pots on both fronts. To run the hand brake we stayed with the stock master cylinder and it feels REALLY nice and solid on the hand with no force required. For the linked we upgraded to a bigger rear mc. Not sure floating discs are necessary. I'd get the adapters and 2-pots then decide if floaters are what you need. I won't really know myself until I ride this thing.
Kevin
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No, though I have got that one. This is an American 'Cycle' mag specially imported at great expense via e-bay! They're better than the Continental ones as my French/German/Italian isn't that good... I'll look up some of your old posts to remind myself what you've done to your bike.
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In a nutshell (since the link took 2 yrs. to get from start to finish):
increased compression to 10.5 or 11:1(memory not serving me well)
larger valves
from 30 to 36 carbs
Lighter Carillo rods
lightened flywheel
smaller primary gear (stock V65)
Marzzochi cartridge forks
from 1 pot fronts to 2 pots (kept linked as is... me likes!)
DLC coated cam and followers
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Not much time with it lately, but got a couple hours here and there. Here's where I'm at. Raised the back of the tank to run more straight along the line of the frame. Hacked off tabs and mounts for the stock seat arrangement and dropped it to also run straight with the rails and tank. Seat will be made into a LM type gunfighter that will fit over the rear of the tank around the area that's blacked out. It will be built up slightly in the middle and run straight, then have a hump of some sort on the rear. This will all have to conform to the tank in height, etc.. It looks very funny as is I know. The rear of the bike will be raised and the front may be lowered a good bit to make things equal. Looks a little like a chopper at the moment. Waiting for round headlamp and will fabricate mounting for it, then the LM fairing. Have a fender that I will have to fabricate mounts for as well as cut to fit. My question... do I leave the rear fenderless and make a tail tidy type license holder/blinker/tail light bracket, or mount a small fender? I'm leaning with a tail tidy. Have nice new clutch cables and throttle cables mounted.
-Kevin
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You have done a lot for this baby Kevin - have you thought about safety - I've noticed the brake lines looks stock'ish.
Just a suggestion:
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http://www.ebay.de/itm/Stahlflex-Bremsleitung-fur-MOTO-GUZZI-V-65-Lario-1984-1987-Komplett-/120797836439?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item1c201cb497
Ciao
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Earls, in Gasoline Alley in Indy, made me up a set for 60 bux. Nice. Cheap. (Guzzi content.) Take a look at the Lario Rehab thread for info on brakes.
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You have done a lot for this baby Kevin - have you thought about safety - I've noticed the brake lines looks stock'ish.
Just a suggestion:
(http://bilder3.eazyauction.de/probrakegmbh/artikelbilder/167374.jpg)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Stahlflex-Bremsleitung-fur-MOTO-GUZZI-V-65-Lario-1984-1987-Komplett-/120797836439?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item1c201cb497
Ciao
Yeah, thanks. The linked are braided, but the hand looks to be stockish. Feels great so will leave it for now. I decided on this build because this thing needed going through and the body panels, etc. were a mess. The blinkers didn't make contact and cables were less than desirable. It was something I always wanted to do anyhow (a cafe that is) and this bike begged for it. Interesting perception differences when you start experimenting with positioning of things. The tank for instance looks larger when the rear is down in stock setting. When the rear is raised, it takes on a whole different appearance. Never saw the straightness of the seat pan until I took a careful look and cut up the old mounts. It sits flat. I have to take it slow and think it through, but when you move things around, I think a lot of this stock stuff will work with a little help.
-Kevin
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I appreciate many of the Ritmo Sereno Moto Guzzi and BMW builds. I know this example started life as a LM III, but it has enough in common with your bike that it could serve as an aesthetic reference. My eye likes to see a transition from the upholstered seat to the tire via painted bodywork. They used a simple triangle to fill the void in the frame that you were undecided about. In this case the black finish helps to visually unify the individual parts.
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http://www.ritmo-sereno.com/customfile/archives/2007/04/001207.html
http://www.ritmo-sereno.com/customfile/index.html
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Hoo Wee! I'd look good on that.. ;D :BEER:
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That's pretty sweet indeed. Classy looking machine. Don't be expecting that from me. Mine will say "hooligan" a little more than that. I need to simply get mine to the point of rideability this spring/summer and move from there. It will be a work in progress for a good many months. Ordered up a Tarozzi fork brace today. Want no wallowing in corners even if I have Marzochi's now.
-Kevin
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OK... tank is now officially set with rubber mount. Raised slightly more than last time in the rear and I think it looks proper. On to the headlamp I now have, then the fairing for which the lamp has been fitted. From there it's get it home so I can fab the brackets for the front fender, fab the seat to a LM ! style gunfighter type, fab a bracket for the rear lamp/turn signals/license plate, and fab a new dash (likely in wood!). Lots of stuff and the bike is too far away at the moment to do much. Good planning time.
-Kevin
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Been awhile and slowly getting a little work done. Think I found my line with the horizontal. Dropped the forks through a GOOD bit and ordered up some "custom" rear shocks from Dave Quinn. Bike no longer looks like a bobber (except for the seat). Next will be a custom console (dash) and headlamp mounting. Just need some time!!
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I suppose it's a shame 1000S seats are scarce as I suppose thats the sort of thing you will need to make to fit over the tank as you mentioned earlier.
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I suppose it's a shame 1000S seats are scarce as I suppose thats the sort of thing you will need to make to fit over the tank as you mentioned earlier.
Yeah... except it wouldn't fit directly anyhow. I will flash this pan with aluminum siding at the tank and give it it's needed shape on top with foam and should be ok. Since I've only done one seat before, I'm a real rookie. It will need a lot of time to get right but heaven knows I got patience!
Kevin
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Got the new dash done today.
Here's the old:
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New:
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Before:
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After:
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Another piece of the puzzle completed. Got the taillight and blinkers done. Fabricated an aluminum mount (which has yet to be painted black) for the light and signals. The electrical gremlins got in the way of things but this was dealt with in the switchgear. This switchgear is about as good as 3rd world countries worst example. At least I know my loom is all good. :-*
Headlamp next.
-Kevin
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Why does the seat have to ride up against the tank? Why not have the seat tuck under the end of the tank so there is no space between the two now that you raised it then the tank looks like it's part of the seat to keep your line straight back ? ??? :BEER: But then again I'm no designer .........
Tim
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Why does the seat have to ride up against the tank? Why not have the seat tuck under the end of the tank so there is no space between the two now that you raised it then the tank looks like it's part of the seat to keep your line straight back ? ??? :BEER: But then again I'm no designer .........
Tim
Valid point Tim. That is now possible and I'm not ruling it out. I have always liked the gunfighter LM style seat that covers (or appears to cover) the back side if the tank. The tank seems a bit long (??) now that it's raised but the verdict is still out on all this. I have time to live with it for sure before anything is done. Appreciate your comment as it really helps.
Kevin
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have you ridden the bike in this configuration?
the marzocchi forks dont have the offset front axle like guzzi introduced with the 16 inch wheels
i wonder if that makes a diffence to the high speed stability?
Hubert
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have you ridden the bike in this configuration?
the marzocchi forks dont have the offset front axle like guzzi introduced with the 16 inch wheels
i wonder if that makes a diffence to the high speed stability?
Hubert
Huub,
I haven't ridden the bike yet, but the offset appears to be so little (inward actually, not outward) that I can't imagine a difference would be felt. Dropping the tubes would have a much bigger affect than what I'm seeing on a .25" or so offset. You could say I actually increased the wheelbase with the Marz.
-K
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guzzi introduced the offset to get extra trail to compensate for the small front wheel, while still using the normal trees.
so with less offset in the trees you might and up with the same trail. or less, difficult to say.
the wheelbase is not that relevant to the stability
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I'm thinking of leaving the back-end without a fender but would like input there.
You don't want a fenderless bike. It's bad enough w/ a bicycle: w/ motorcycles you'll really get a mud stripe up your back!
Make a hugger for it. Bonus: you'll keep road grit off your shocks & the seals will last longer.
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You don't want a fenderless bike. It's bad enough w/ a bicycle: w/ motorcycles you'll really get a mud stripe up your back!
Make a hugger for it. Bonus: you'll keep road grit off your shocks & the seals will last longer.
Think ass-less chaps here... not so practical, but more attention grabbing. :P
K
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Headlamp mounted. I have to ask; what's your take on the mounting (where it sits)? The fairing is mocked up for visual reference.
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Kev,
Who's your source on the tail light blinkers, and plate bracket?
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Kev,
Who's your source on the tail light blinkers, and plate bracket?
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Ebay and Amazon. The blinkers can be found at Dime City Cycle but they were out of stock at the time. Just caught word they are in again. Very bright blinkers, not so much taillight. ::)
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Another day another bit of progress. Blinker mirrors attached now. These were chosen for their low profile and long stems to see past my elbows. They are exactly what I was looking for in that department and they will allow to go blinkerless in the front of the bike (due to LM1 fairing to be mounted). The nice thing is that they also show the signal on the driver side. They can be seen from the side and blind spot from traffic as well as behind. Very beefy and well made. Not cheap. Just need to shim the front wheel inner axle/speedo drive and I will be on the road!! ;-T
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The headlight looks like is is a touch high to me. Kinda throws a high point in the horizontal line. I like the large size of the lamp. Kinda like an old steam locomotive. But I think if you were to mount it a bit lower, (if possible) the profile would smoother and sleeker. This design advice coming from a man that wears checks with strips in bold neon colors. ;) :D
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Did you see the headlamp with the fairing mocked up bottom of pg. 1? If I go any lower the (lower) fairing line won't match up with the tank. I agree without the fairing it looks high. Thanks for this.
-Kevin
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Great update kevdog,keep 'em coming. Once you do a test ride or two I'm sure all the little tweeks will make themselves quite apparent and getting things sorted is half the fun
Paul
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Maybe it is just my eyes, but the top of the white were it meets the shield, seems to be above the top of the tank. Of course if you lower it any you may lose functionality of the fairing. To me it looks like the whole assembly should come down a mite. We must of course take into acount that I am merely looking at a picture on a cheap computer monitor, and you are there in person. What ever you do, I am looking forward to seeing it in person sometime. You are doing a much better job than I am capable of. Keep up the good work, and I hope that all is great on the home front. ;-T
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Yep... I now see what you're saying Storm. I have to agree and never noticed that part before. A tad lower might get us where we want to be. I may bring it in a smidge as well. ALways appreciate someone else's eye on the matter. Keeps me honest. I've got a lot more I want to do, but I've covered the basics of getting it on the road. The seat will need to be tied down to get it home and I'll go at it from here. I've taken most of the cobble out of it and everything works slick. The headlamp is VERY bright and running relays on it now. All cables are new and switchgear has been gone through to function well. Hoping start-up goes well again and see where the new engine mods, brakes, and suspension upgrades gets me. I'm sure there's lots of tweaks to get things where I want them but sure curious how it's going to behave. In the world of Lario's, this is a completely new beast.
-Kevin
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The seat looks awkward to me. It ain't flowing with the rest of it at all. Too many gaps or something.
Like most of what you are doing, keep it up. Sometimes it takes awhile to find all the solutions to everything.
Requires a few beers and deep thought.
On second thought on that seat...maybe i'm not picturing all the body work in place.
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The seat looks awkward to me. It ain't flowing with the rest of it at all. Too many gaps or something.
Like most of what you are doing, keep it up. Sometimes it takes awhile to find all the solutions to everything.
Requires a few beers and deep thought.
On second thought on that seat...maybe i'm not picturing all the body work in place.
You are right about the seat. This seat in the pics is not the seat that's going to be. I'm going to make up my own seat starting with a pan of my own doing. Should flow with the tank and have an ass bump-stop on the rear. This seat is the stock Lario seat that gets me home, but that's all.
Front fender is in hand but needs cutting and trimming as well as mounting hardware to fabricate. It's an airtech piece (raw fiberglass) like the LM fairing.
-Kevin
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First ride (teaser): Strong, stable, very linear, NOTHING like a stock Lario. Love the gearing! Feels more like a big block engine. Have a little issue that needs resolving so will get back with a better report. This is going to be one fun bike! ;-T
-Kevin
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First ride (teaser): Strong, stable, very linear, NOTHING like a stock Lario. Love the gearing! Feels more like a big block engine. Have a little issue that needs resolving so will get back with a better report. This is going to be one fun bike! ;-T
-Kevin
Well, it's about time.. ~; ;D
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Well, it's about time.. ~; ;D
Like a good wine Chuck. ;)
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Well, it's about time.. ~; ;D
'Xactly!
Been sitting on my hands for months now, since it's really none of my business what another owner does, but REALLY:
You have substantial performance mods made, don't ride the thing, and in the meantime do a Cafe job on what has to be one of the most attractive Guzzis ever made?
Sorry, again, really none of my business if that's what you want to do. I just don't get it.
< slinking away now, waiting for the flames>
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.... Well he does have another Lario that he's kept pretty stock and original with the exception of valve mods, no?
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'Xactly!
Been sitting on my hands for months now, since it's really none of my business what another owner does, but REALLY:
You have substantial performance mods made, don't ride the thing, and in the meantime do a Cafe job on what has to be one of the most attractive Guzzis ever made?
Sorry, again, really none of my business if that's what you want to do. I just don't get it.
< slinking away now, waiting for the flames>
.... Well he does have another Lario that he's kept pretty stock and original with the exception of valve mods, no?
Yes, perfectly stock Lario that is pristine in my garage. Runs fantastic also! Ok, here's my logic behind all this. I love the Lario and it's engine. I think the factory wrote it off early and didn't develop it. I had a lot faith that this engine could be developed and updated, so went after it. Talked with Ed extensively about it and we agreed on some updates. If you know me, you know I'm not afraid to try new things for the sake of possibly getting something better. Of course I don't do this willy nilly and think it through. If it makes sense I go for it.
Got the bike home Dec. 23 during the worst winter in recorded history in Michigan. Also found the bodywork was trashed (to my standards- think Chuck's beater Lario). Electrical gremlins and other issues so decided I needed to strip it and go through it. At that time I decided since I had a stock bike I would have fun and once again look outside the box a bit. So, with a long hard winter ahead I did just that. Our riding season truly just started a few weeks ago up here, so I'm only a few weeks behind and confident that the work I did is solid. Should I have sat on my hands all this time just so I could have ridden a beater Lario with issues three weeks ago?? This thing's not nearly done so watch your panties creeping higher before you think it's going to be a shit-box cobble job. It's not even home yet, so it's been slower than I wanted I agree. The short ride I took told me that all will be just fine. ;D
That's the scoop.
Kevin
PS. Lets see your cafe V50 WRBIX. Hmmm.... cafe you say?? ;) A real cafe with a pumped up engine, brakes, suspension or a styling exercise? :P
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Ok, now that that's out of the way. :-\
After sorting the carb issues (first right, then left :'() I've finally ridden it home today. I think my short ride assessment the other day was pretty fair that the bike feels much more like a big block than a small block. Nothing like my stock Lario engine! This is more vibrant and pulls much harder. I think the compression difference adds to the vibrancy, but it is smooth once it settles in around 4700 RPM on up. The suspension is wonderful; balance is good front to back with the Hagons and Marzzochi's. It took the washboard road in stride and hung with it. I feel no wallowing in the curves like on my other Lario. I do have a fork brace on this as well. Dropping the front and raising the back makes it feel like it's about 7 feet long and stable as a locomotive. I was expecting some twitchiness, but it's wonderfully low and stable (the sump being more parallel with the road). Brakes are (well)... much better. No need to elaborate there. I really like the gearing and think it's perfect for this engine. I'd say it raises the RPM about 500 overall to stock. This keeps things up in the rev range a bit more. I'm not sure how much of this or the lightening of the internals/compression/fueling is affecting the low end, but I am not finding myself down in the 3-4k RPM range (at least not for long). I'm also not having to drop it down to pull away. That's where this thing shines and behaves more like the BB.
I have to ride it and break it in as the fueling feels a little funky at times coming off the throttle. It's got some unevenness going on in areas and needs to settle in so will ride it on two cylinders for a change. ;) The throttle I gave it on this (illegal) ride home on the final stretch from stop sure made me realize this is no ordinary small block Guzzi I've ever ridden before. ;-T
-Kevin
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PS. Lets see your cafe V50 WRBIX. Hmmm.... cafe you say?? ;) A real cafe with a pumped up engine, brakes, suspension or a styling exercise? :P
Well, cafe does mean to me taking a MC with some sporty potential and taking it down to it's essentials, which was accomplished with the beater V65III that I "cafe'd" with removal of nonessentials down to a dry wt of 325#. Hagon shocks, FACS up front, Tarozzi fork brace, Tarozzi rear sets, light f'glass tank, Li-Fe batteries, brakes delinked, final drive box drilled for better lube, SS brake lines, electronic tach and speedo, etc
No debate from me that "cafe" is largely a styling exercise, as you're trying to accomplish with de-fairing-ing, seat swapping, tank tilting (?), tail-tidying, etc on your Lario. I just question, as stated, the wisdom of taking a very limited run beautiful-as-designed MC and destyling it.
To each his own, glad you're happy with it. Glad Ed's mods are to your liking. My Lario performs just fine thank you.
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No problem with you taking a V65 and doing what you want with it WRBIX. If I did I might sound funny saying so. It sounds great what you did with yours and sure you're really enjoying it.
Everyone has a different idea of what a perfectly executed bike is from the factory. Ask Pete what he thinks of the Lario mill. :BEER:
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:PICS!:
Hey Kev...looking forward to the ride report!! :+=copcar :pop
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Had some carb issues I had to work through. Seems I found the solution so that it fueled correctly... and this bike rocks! It's dead nuts solid bottom to top and linear as can be. Like I said before, it's big block feeling in its delivery. Well... now we finally know what a lario can be made if you want to invest the time and $$ to do it. No regrets in either as I learned a ton and the investment was what you get with a current small block, except, it aint gonna do what this can do. :+=copcar
-Kevin
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Are you sure you just didn't shorten the fuse and made a hotter grenade? ;) ;D
I kid, I kid... mostly. I hope you can have many happy miles on your hot rod Lario mill.
-Joe
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Are you sure you just didn't shorten the fuse and made a hotter grenade? ;) ;D
I kid, I kid... mostly. I hope you can have many happy miles on your hot rod Lario mill.
-Joe
I sure hope that's not the case Joe. This is like a new bike inside except it's got some better components where it counts. Doesn't mean it's fool-proof, but logically it should hold together. Reliability was the other big aspect of the build.
Kevin
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Time will tell.. (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/icon_shrug_zpsef3f1d1a.gif) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/icon_shrug_zpsef3f1d1a.gif.html)
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Fairing is mounted and very solid. Looking forward to seeing what it does. ;-T
-K
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Nice improvement! ;-T
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Time will tell.. (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/icon_shrug_zpsef3f1d1a.gif) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/icon_shrug_zpsef3f1d1a.gif.html)
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I haven't heard of any blowups yet with softer springs and non stock, or even newer stock valves - but yeah Chuck - time will tell. I hope this year I'll have the oppotunity to do a long haul of like 2 x 400km (2 x 250 miles) over like a weekend. Not earth shaking, but it will add a chapter to the tale.
I think we need perhaps 20.000 to 30.000 miles to have an indication. Stock Lario's/V75-4/Imola II's blew as early as 1.000 miles, and as late as 20.000 miles. Cam lobes and followers were essentially gone by then, if not already blown, either by a valve/seat drop, cracked follower or snapped push rod ;D
Ciao
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Oh, that dash is so great, where did you buy it?
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to do a long haul of like 2 x 400km (2 x 250 miles) over like a weekend.
I've done that a couple of times with your valves.. With Dorcia on the back. ;D
So far, so good.. but I still don't have any *real* mileage on it. You don't rack up miles unless you're going somewhere, and I don't have bags on it..yet. ;) Maybe a 'Jammer, too. :o ;D
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I've done that a couple of times with your valves.. With Dorcia on the back. ;D
So far, so good.. but I still don't have any *real* mileage on it. You don't rack up miles unless you're going somewhere, and I don't have bags on it..yet. ;) Maybe a 'Jammer, too. :o ;D
'Jammer would certainly personalize it. ::) ~;
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Oh, that dash is so great, where did you buy it?
The dash I got at MG Cycle and it is simple and neat as well as solid. The fairing report on my open slab ride with wind is ;-T. The air hits my helmet and nothing below. The shape of the screen makes it roll off in a smooth fashion. I'm not feeling much on my shoulders and think part of this may be because I've got it sitting out front quite a ways. Couldn't a be happier and effectiveness is similar to the stock fairing for me.
Kevin
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'Jammer would certainly personalize it. ::) ~;
Oh my... a Jammer?? :o Just say "NO"!
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After all the riding recently, I have given some thought to characteristics between it and my stock Lario. The 16" wheels that I thought better than to give up in this build I'm so glad I kept. The feeling of wallowing a bit in the curves I chalked up to the flimsy suspension. In the back of my mind I also wondered if it was partly due to the 16" wheels. I can say definitively it's not the wheels. On the flat slab at high speed and in the curves, this thing is as solid as they come. I've got the Marzzochi's on the front with a stabilizer and it's rock solid and much smoother over washboard roads. Hey... it's like a modern motorcycle! I also dropped the front more than an inch through the triples and raised the rear 10mm from stock and the sump is now level with the ground. I didn't know what to expect by this large of a drop, but there is no twitchiness whatsoever like you might expect. I know I said this before, but the bike feels longer and more stable. Maybe it's partly due to how solid this front end has become as well. My biggest come away and suggestion to the Lario owners is to get some decent forks on this thing as well as a dual-pot Brembo up front (leave the single linked to make it easy unless you want that balanced look). There is no MC change for the dual pot on the right hand, there is for the linked. The hand works super, the linked not that much better than stock IMHO.
My two pennies.
-Kevin
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I've done that a couple of times with your valves.. With Dorcia on the back. ;D
So far, so good.. but I still don't have any *real* mileage on it. You don't rack up miles unless you're going somewhere, and I don't have bags on it..yet. ;) Maybe a 'Jammer, too. :o ;D
:D A jammer will make it unique for sure Chuck, I have seen Lario's with bags, they looked quite OK - trips like that are helpting our Lario projects a lot. Having a "passenger" is adding to the proof of concept :) We just need to rack up the miles now :bike ;-T
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:D A jammer will make it unique for sure Chuck, I have seen Lario's with bags, they looked quite OK - trips like that are helpting our Lario projects a lot. Having a "passenger" is adding to the proof of concept :) We just need to rack up the miles now :bike ;-T
I've actually been looking for bags, but haven't seen any I particularly liked. Any suggestions?
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I've actually been looking for bags, but haven't seen any I particularly liked. Any suggestions?
This is the latest brazes I've seen. Not sure if it's still obtainable. What bags would fit, I'm not sure, but I assume some standard H&B.
http://www.stein-dinse.biz/Moto-Guzzi/Koffer-Traeger/Koffertraeger/MG-Kompletttraeger-HB-V65-Lario-schwarz::109756.html
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:D A jammer will make it unique for sure Chuck, I have seen Lario's with bags, they looked quite OK - trips like that are helpting our Lario projects a lot. Having a "passenger" is adding to the proof of concept :) We just need to rack up the miles now :bike ;-T
Proving something is the easy part. Selling the concept is another.
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Been at it pretty good with getting this thing running as I want it to run. It's tame yet pulls brutally. ;-T Finally getting back around to the cosmetics again. Summers are for riding, right? Been thinking about this seat thing and decided to go the route of a LM where the seat fits over the rear of the tank. Will cover up the unsightly Lario rear of the tank that there's no denying has no place on this cafe bike. Just a start, but cut and bent the seat to fit the contour of the raised tank and I think it turned out as good as expected. Next will be a alu flashing at the front that will mimic the blacked-out portion of the tank, as well as rear cowl, then re-upholster.
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;-T ;-T ;-T
looks good, keep it going!
is your re-covered seat going to be a cafe solo? or a gunfighter or what
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;-T ;-T ;-T
looks good, keep it going!
is your re-covered seat going to be a cafe solo? or a gunfighter or what
I guess I don't know what I'd call it. Mostly cafe solo. From the pic, I'm leaving the shape of the front as is (flows down with the tank), but where it swoops up behind the drivers bum, I will continue this up into a cafe hump or cowl all the way to the rear. The only thing will be the extra flashing at the front of the current seat at the front to cover over the tank like the LM bikes of old. Will do different stitching's or seat material to bring out the shape.
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That is looking very kool!!
Refresh my memory if it was already noted...What silencers are those??
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That is looking very kool!!
Refresh my memory if it was already noted...What silencers are those??
Thanks man! These are Bubs. I'm diggin' the note they produce. ;-T
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Darn!! No longer available new, are they??
I had Bubs on my Monza and loved 'em!! They sounded great but I had to repack 'em about once a month. Once the packing is blown out they're basically straight pipes....Very angry neighbors.
Still I'd love to find a used set.
Were those specifically sold for Lario or are they 'generic'?
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Darn!! No longer available new, are they??
I had Bubs on my Monza and loved 'em!! They sounded great but I had to repack 'em about once a month. Once the packing is blown out they're basically straight pipes....Very angry neighbors.
Still I'd love to find a used set.
Were those specifically sold for Lario or are they 'generic'?
Sure seem like they're specific to the Lario as they fit perfectly with the mounts and all. Will find a solution to the "extra" bells myself with these, but the note is a good one, just a bit loud for the long haul. These are baffled, but not much. Not raw sounding. Ed put them on. Not available from what I hear.
-K
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Seat started last night. Cowl in place. Shaping was done to try match with what's going on up front with the downward slope. Have to work with that.
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Can't really see it in the pic but the shape of the cowl I tried to match with the tanks flat top as well as width. Hard to see the line in the pic but it tapers up at the top and width is eqal to about what the tank back going into the seat is. The sides of the cowl I tried to match with the tank sides to a degree. A little mirroring.
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Are you going to fill in the gap between the tank and the seat? It bothers my eye. :D
If I were helping, I'd add to the seat so it comes up to the tank and leaves no gap between the frame, tank, and seat...
I like your grips and fairing choice. This will be a unique Guzzi.
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Are you going to fill in the gap between the tank and the seat? It bothers my eye. :D
If I were helping, I'd add to the seat so it comes up to the tank and leaves no gap between the frame, tank, and seat...
I like your grips and fairing choice. This will be a unique Guzzi.
Yes, where you see the blacked off portion on the tank (where it meets the seat), that will have flashing that comes down off the seat pan and will be upholstered over like on an older LM. In other words the rear of the tank will be covered over by the seat. I blacked that tank portion off for my eye to see what "will be". Yes... it looks ridiculous as is I agree.
BTW... I will be raising the tail lights up into the space under the seat which will get my plate up a bit as well.
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Hi Kevin, I have been reading your article with much enjoyment. I may have overlooked a few bits and would appreciate some clarification. Did you lighten the flywheel?
Ciao,
Dick
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Hi Kevin, I have been reading your article with much enjoyment. I may have overlooked a few bits and would appreciate some clarification. Did you lighten the flywheel?
Ciao,
Dick
Yes, lightened flywheel and rods. It spins up very nicely.
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Ok... imagine this as the alu flashing. It will be upholstered over in black.
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A little easier to see the definition in the seat cowl now. Seems will be where lines are drawn. It will be pleated in the bum area as shown up the front of the cowl but not the back side.
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;-T Coming right along nicely kevdog, If there is some way to incorporate the knee reliefs from the tank into the rear sides of the seat cowl I think it would bring it all together. Besides what the hell do I know?? :BEER:
Paul
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;-T Coming right along nicely kevdog, If there is some way to incorporate the knee reliefs from the tank into the rear sides of the seat cowl I think it would bring it all together. Besides what the hell do I know?? :BEER:
Paul
Nice suggestion Paul, thank you. I'm taking requests, so please feel free to suggest.
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Having an awful time seating the rings on this thing. :P I've got to keep the revs up, load it as often as possible, and wring its neck through the local back roads. This thing spins up so fast and is such a rush. Finally finding out what it's all about now that I've got the fueling where it should be. It's really quite stunning! :o ;-T
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It is true that you can push the forks through the tt and get yourself some better handling. Suggested by Dave Richardson in Guzziology.
I assume you mean lowering the front end a bit at the 'tt' (triple tree)? Is that something that Richardson mentions specifically for Larios or just in general?? I can't seem to find it in the book.....page?? Regardless, that's a technique that I have generally used on every sport bike I've ever owned (except for my '84 500 Interceptor which handled great right out of the box.) I was urged to try it in the early 80's by Danny Coe who, at that time, held the Formula 3 track record at Willow Springs. It was a tremendous improvement.
Also, what tires are those on the "Super"? I'm just about ready for new tires on my "Mario", have Pirelli Demons on it now.
Anxiously waiting for another update.....this weekend???
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Aha!! Found it .....very last paragraph of chapter 20.
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Yeah... I raised the back 10mm as well which on my bike worked well. Somebody else mentioned their rails got in the way even around stock height. So... you'd need to look at that. I just wanted to look to be higher in back as it was below stock height by the PO's shock selection. Anyhow, I did push mine through the TT well over an inch (Marzzochi's) so that the sump bottom sits about level now with the road. Works great for mine. Certainly doesn't dive down in front when sitting on it. Very neutral. Won't change it and maybe just lucky with my thinking. Dave doesn't suggest much with stock set-up from what I remember.
-Kevin
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Yeah..He says 1/2".
But you're right.....I think the look of the bike is much cooler with the engine parallel to the frame/wheels.
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Sorry... Pirelli MT75 front and back. Back has a 120/80-16 on it, front 100/80-16 on it.
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Thanks!! Glad I asked! I had no idea I could get radials that would fit this bike. I would imagine an enormous improvement in handling.
I'll be upgrading sooner rather than later.
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Thanks!! Glad I asked! I had no idea I could get radials that would fit this bike. I would imagine an enormous improvement in handling.
I'll be upgrading sooner rather than later.
I'm sticking with these for sure. Little lower profile (80mm vs. 90mm) that also (very minimally) helps the grunt factor down low. Pirelli's are my fav.
K
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More seat work today to work on line. I wasn't liking the straightness of the tank to seat transition, so upon suggestion of my friend I came up with this. This will be upholstered over of course in either black or tan. Or I may go with a black and tan seat. Suggestions welcome. Thinking seat area tan and the cowl back and sides and seat sides black.
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Thanks!! Glad I asked! I had no idea I could get radials that would fit this bike.
Nope, not radials.
Per Pirelli:
A tire with a conventional structure suitable for sporting use on small and medium-powered bikes in all weather conditions.
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Yeah, I see that now...
Just about every tire source on line lists these as radials....Oh well...
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Charlie says American Motorcycle Tire has them for $150 pair and free shipping. Good price.
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That second photo appears to show that it has a dustbin fairing! ;) ;D
Watching the thread with interest. ;-T
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That second photo appears to show that it has a dustbin fairing! ;) ;D
Watching the thread with interest. ;-T
Good eye with that pic! A little slow going here as I'm busy with work and having to ride this monster. I rode my V11 Lemans yesterday for the first time in quite awhile and thought I'd never say this, but this super Lario is WAY more of a hoot to ride. Stops better, handles better and the engine/carb set-up is more instantaneous in delivery. I feel much more connected to things. Little scary at first how disconnected/vague the Lemans felt overall. Never felt that way before. The build will be slow to finish as I need to think before jumping into it. Riding it now is the main goal while the weather is ripe. This winter I can get a lot of the small detailed stuff done like hiding the bits in the battery compartment. Will try to get the front fender worked out sooner rather than later also.
Kevin
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That second photo appears to show that it has a dustbin fairing! ;) ;D
Haha....very cute...
I've actually considered plastic ammo boxes for a set of hardbags. Plano makes one about 10 x 15 x 8...maybe just a little too small for round the world trip but good enough for the week. Next size up is maybe a little too big.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/211622/plano-medium-field-box-15-x-8-x-10-polymer-camo?cm_vc=ProductFinding (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/211622/plano-medium-field-box-15-x-8-x-10-polymer-camo?cm_vc=ProductFinding)
The fact that these are top openers is very attractive to me as well as the price...less than $20. I figure esay enough to fabricate a lean and mean rack.
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Haha....very cute...
I've actually considered plastic ammo boxes for a set of hardbags. Plano makes one about 10 x 15 x 8...maybe just a little too small for round the world trip but good enough for the week. Next size up is maybe a little too big.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/211622/plano-medium-field-box-15-x-8-x-10-polymer-camo?cm_vc=ProductFinding (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/211622/plano-medium-field-box-15-x-8-x-10-polymer-camo?cm_vc=ProductFinding)
The fact that these are top openers is very attractive to me as well as the price...less than $20. I figure esay enough to fabricate a lean and mean rack.
If you don't mind side-loaders, Plano also makes these nice hard cases, available on eBay for ~ $50 a pair.
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Hmmmmm..... Cheap. I likes that.. ;-T
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Looks like final numbers for 36 PHF carbs is 264 atomizer/165 mains. She likes fuel but the 265/150's was just way rich between 3-5k RPM. It's taken an entire riding season to try the pieces and slowly work through it, but it is smooth as glass all the way up and linear as it gets. Plugs look great. The pull up top keeps going like on all Larios, but this one happens to be much bigger. All around it feels like a race bike that's been tamed. It's fascinating to ride something that seems to do everything damned well when you ask it to.
-Kevin
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Getting around to the front fender now. Slimmed it down and cut it to length but need some feedback as to length front and back. Looking about like the stock LM 1 at the moment (length). At this length it is very practical and I'm a fan of the LM 1, so...
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Pumper carbs? Part numbers? Starting to get stuff together....
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Pumper carbs? Part numbers? Starting to get stuff together....
PHF 36 w/pumpers yes.
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I like the fender length and style as pictured. I'm also anxiously awaiting pictures of the finalized seat. Have you made more progress on that?
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I like the fender length and style as pictured. I'm also anxiously awaiting pictures of the finalized seat. Have you made more progress on that?
Good question Raoul. I am talking to Corrina in NY as an upholsterer. I think the seat is most important now and have been trying to wrap my head around style, materials and colors. I have to make up fix up the seat pan next then send it out. I want it done sooner rather than later also so I'm with you in the anxious department. Thanks for the comments on the fender. It's taken some getting used to with a fender sitting on it at all.
-Kevin
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This is why I like feedback. Just talked to my friend and he suggests a small fender since I'm going fender less or (possibly) small fender in rear (some day??).
Anyhow, I've come to the realization that the bigger picture looks better with the small as he suggests. You can see the line scribed about 6" rearward of the forks. This is where the cut would be made. Look ok to your eyes? Smaller?
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When I cut my front fender, I will leave the front as is and make the rear the same length as the front.
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When I cut my front fender, I will leave the front as is and make the rear the same length as the front.
This is equidistant both sides also. It will be red like the bike and not stick out so much, but wondering if smaller yet might be nice?
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Not sure if you've experienced a front fender that's short at the rear, but you'll get a lot of road dirt on the engine and up under the gas tank, especially after a rain.
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That is pure personal taste. I think stock front length and equal length rear are pretty much the minimum cut.
Also the easiest because you only have one cut ;D
Once it's done and I have the seat and tank mounted I will look at it and see if I still like it. It's easy to make shorter, harder to make longer.
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Not sure if you've experienced a front fender that's short at the rear, but you'll get a lot of road dirt on the engine and up under the gas tank, especially after a rain.
Oh yeah, well aware of the negatives. My conundrum is aesthetics. Is it weird to have traditional at the front and nothing on the rear? If I deviate, I have a splash of color at the front (red fender bobbed) and it becomes useless from a functional standpoint. Hmmm...
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Found the beast was still running too lean with 165 mains so boosted it a half size to 168's. Plugs don't seem to be burning up now and are looking more tan than white. I have 170's in case they're needed. Sad day as it's been laid up to slumber for the winter. Time to get on to the "projects" part of it again. Now I just need time. I can rest now knowing the functional aspects are right where I want them. Cosmetics are next.
Kevin
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Seat project started today. Cut the sheet metal and will take this to my seat upholsterer for welding, etc. More soon.
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Figured out the under-seat arrangement. A little over/under of the original bits and it's finished. Level and solid. Tomorrow I get the seat back to do some fitting.
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Eager to see it!
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Seat tacked and bent to final shape. Time to bring it back for upholstery (pic thrown in). Threw in a little piece of bling from MG on the steering head. (http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/kevin3019/Lario/2015-01/781D4B95-ED6B-4F1A-A123-A1CAEF8CBDF7.jpg)
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Since I'm waiting for my seat I figured I should get after the fender and mounts. Did some playing and decided on a wrap mount. There will be a rear one also.
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I use this respirator from the wood shop for cutting this fiberglass. I also prefer to use this thin cutter as it creates very little dust. It also cuts very precisely. Make the line and take a few passes to cut through. Use sandpaper to even it out.
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What was the starting point for your fender Kev? That's no Lario stocker.. Is it a generic blank or.,...
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It's Airtech stuff; both the fender and LM1 fairing. Fender has been slimmed down a lot. Will cut the back off after I decide exactly where I want it. It's easy stuff to work with. You just want to make sure you start with a fender that has the right radius to fit the wheel. This one was perfect.
BTW... the stocker doesn't fit the Marzocchi's hence the re-make.
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Nice job so far-but tell me, is the Lario 4 valve still a Heron design? I have little experience with the smallblocks but I'm getting interested.
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Nice job so far-but tell me, is the Lario 4 valve still a Heron design? I have little experience with the smallblocks but I'm getting interested.
Yep, it's a flat head..
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Yep, it's a flat head..
Actually...
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Nice job so far-but tell me, is the Lario 4 valve still a Heron design? I have little experience with the smallblocks but I'm getting interested.
As shown in the picture, it has a pent-roof combustion chamber.
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My bad. <blush> That's what I get for typing before the coffee kicks in.. sorry.
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My bad. <blush> That's what I get for typing before the coffee kicks in.. sorry.
New engine fumes will do that to you! :D
GOing to pick up seat. Stay tuned.
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Thanks for the info. I wondered how they'd fit 4 valves into a Heron head with that bore!
So the next question, what do folk think, hemi or 4 valve pent roof in this application? Or is the Lario valve train too troublesome for volume production?
I just wonder because it wouldn't take much more power to make the small block kick butt in the modern world, and the 4 valver should handle emissions better.
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Chuck's aero engine will be telling. We don't know yet what that will bring though we suspect good stuff. I like my Lario engines and their 4-valve heads, but you must proceed with caution with them. There's no reason they can't be made right. I'm hoping the measures I took with this "super" Lario hopped up 15% will fair well. I agree it doesn't take much more power to make the sb a real hoot. I hope they're listening. :wife:
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The seat is home and fits splendid. It's hard to tell, but it's a stressed tan that looks great in person. This was done locally at Mark's Upholstery in Jenison, MI.. He's a wonderful guy to work with. You'll see that he strobes the cross-stitching by going larger to smaller. I like it myself as it gives some depth and isn't perfectly uniform.
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Fender mounted. Thanks Chuck for the clearance specs. Around 20mm as I feel that's safe. Lots of work to get things just right. She's solid!!
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Looking good!!!
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Looking like a good, healthy runner!
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Looks great with the brown seat, the flush headlight in that LM1 fairing, and the custom cut fender :thumb
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Hopefully, the nuts on the fender don't compromise the clearance too much?
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Hopefully, the nuts on the fender don't compromise the clearance too much?
Yeah, that was all in the figures. There's plenty of room for something that might get picked up. There's also nothing sharp as the nut is a perfect fit to the end of the screw w/lock washer.
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Nice job of forming the fender mounts..
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Nice job of forming the fender mounts..
Lots of thumb work on that as well as vice with hardwood inserts for the tight bends. I got some experience with aluminum bending on my LM fairing. I braced the entire horizontal length where the windscreen screws into the fiberglass. There's a perfect groove to fit a bar along that space. I did this so that I could make runs up to it for bracing w/o compromising the fiberglass. The windscreen puts pressure enough on it. I realized in bending that how easy aluminum is to form if you take it slow. Once you kink an area you're pretty much through.
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Here's the question now; do I paint it black to (essentially) disappear, or red along with the fairing for tire jewelry? Red would give s but more "classic" look but not sure I'm after that much "class". I need input!
Thanks
Edit: I won't have a tail fender, just s tail "tidy". Maybe this makes sense to go black?
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Did some adjusting of the taillights now that the seat is finished. Raised over an inch up under the seat.
Fab'd a mount and painted it:
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Raising that plate looks a LOT better. Funny how a small change can make a dramatic difference in appearance.
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Alright, got her done. Fender now in black. Another check off the to-do list. Nondescript yet dressy.
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Oh yeah! You are getting the baby LM look going now! Sweet ride!
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I fab'd a face plate to hide the reg/rect. Here's the before and after results. The last pic shows the opposite side of which I painted the voltage regulator and moved the fuse box that faced outward into the bike to face the battery. I then removed the old mounts. I need time to think all that stuff out. For now it's cleaner looking. I will tidy up the wiring to the battery now as it's Pretty unkempt looking in there.
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That cover looks nice. Powdercoat or paint finish on it? Cleaning up the wiring is well worth it. Have you thought about an Antigravity battery in there? Pricey, but super light, and half the size. They last a long time too.
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That cover looks nice. Powdercoat or paint finish on it? Cleaning up the wiring is well worth it. Have you thought about an Antigravity battery in there? Pricey, but super light, and half the size. They last a long time too.
Hmm... thanks for the tip on the battery. Now, can I go with the XPS SC-1?? I have the perfect place for that under the tank and completely out of sight. The 8 cell is a hint big, the 4 is way small and perfect. I get mixed reviews on the 4 cell doing the job but no official word from users. I sure could go with that!
Paint is Plasti-dip. Easy and good at withstanding chemicals. Can always peel it off also. I like the texture and look.
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Hmm... thanks for the tip on the battery. Now, can I go with the XPS SC-1?? I have the perfect place for that under the tank and completely out of sight. The 8 cell is a hint big, the 4 is way small and perfect. I get mixed reviews on the 4 cell doing the job but no official word from users. I sure could go with that!
Paint is Plasti-dip. Easy and good at withstanding chemicals. Can always peel it off also. I like the texture and look.
Good tip on the paint. I went with a 12 cell mounted right under the seat next to the relays. Ill see if I can get a picture up. I do not know that a 4 cell would do it...it might...???
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Here are some pics of my 12 cell under the seat. I made a quick release bracket to hold it in. Nice to be able to mount them on their sides, or upside down..
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I like that Mike. That gives me some options I hadn't thought about, whether it's for the battery or other things. I'm still considering that 4 cell XPS. It's got the cranking power no doubt but wondering about capacity. 1 inch thick.
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I like that Mike. That gives me some options I hadn't thought about, whether it's for the battery or other things. I'm still considering that 4 cell XPS. It's got the cranking power no doubt but wondering about capacity. 1 inch thick.
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Man, It being that small gives you all kinds of options. I'm thinking about trying one myself. I could use the room! Lol
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Received my Antigravity 12oz. battery today. Made up a mounting plate and aluminum battery case. Tomorrow it gets tucked away on the bike.
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Man, It being that small gives you all kinds of options. I'm thinking about trying one myself. I could use the room! Lol
Yea, I'm in the market for a lithium battery too. My lead battery is 6 yrs, and time for replacement.
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Received my Antigravity 12oz. battery today. Made up a mounting plate and aluminum battery case. Tomorrow it gets tucked away on the bike.
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That is soooo much better than the lead acid battery. I hope it works good for you, I'd like to get one myself, just for the room....
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Now on the bike. Bike spins up well with this little guy. Definitely adequate. last pick is with empty battery tray. ;-T
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Wow! Tiny!
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Man! That turned out good!!!! Looking forward to see how that battery does in the long run. I bet it will work great.
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Man! That turned out good!!!! Looking forward to see how that battery does in the long run. I bet it will work great.
I gots a dollar that sez it won't work when it's 40 degrees.. ;D
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If it isn't a CAN bus or ride by wire, I have $10 that says it will.
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I gots a dollar that sez it won't work when it's 40 degrees.. ;D
I'll take that dollar Chuck. Already tested in the cold. Need to heat the battery by either turning on the lights for a bit or hit starter a couple times. After that, she cranks mighty quick for many tries. You just need to understand that these batteries need to "activate" themselves first. Voltage drop was very little after cranking several times. Figured I'd prime the oil for start-up soon. :BEER:
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Pm me your snail mail addy.. :D
I know about warming them up. I saw a guy on a Triumph cafe take a half hour to start his bike first thing in the morning in 40 degree temps with one, though. Twice.
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Pm me your snail mail addy.. :D
I know about warming them up. I saw a guy on a Triumph cafe take a half hour to start his bike first thing in the morning in 40 degree temps with one, though. Twice.
I've had a LIPo battery for 3-4 yrs. and never had an issue. I've had it crank slow at first in the cold, then come to life with fast cranking. They say when you fail the first try, when it "activates" it's actually generating its peak output because it gets pretty revved up with activation. Take what some others say with a grain as he may have toasted his somehow. Shouldn't do that according to the science or my experience. I got in pretty early on these batteries. I WOULD NOT use these in a bike with ANY parasitic drain as you can toast them.
Contacting you now.
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battery compartment freshened up with some paint. LIpo tender came recently and after all the cranking I did on the bike, the battery hadn't hardly lost a beat compared to full charge. ;-T
I will report my findings on its capacity with the bike when I get to riding her; may be awhile. Usually say April 1 around these parts.
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Cutting my teeth with this project. First step: Apply paint. Lots of orange peel; probably put too many thin coats on. Will have to sand and apply one thicker coat. This is acrylic enamel. Thanks Chuck for the recipe.
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Cutting my teeth with this project. First step: Apply paint. Lots of orange peel; probably put too many thin coats on. Will have to sand and apply one thicker coat. This is acrylic enamel. Thanks Chuck for the recipe.
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Sorry, Kev.. but amateur painters *always* do that. You're afraid to run it, and spray too thin a coat. You'll have to completely sand it out to get to a smooth place to start again. Did you read the instructions on the can? I'm too lazy to walk down to the shop and read them, but normally with enamel you spray a light to medium tack coat. **Wait** until it tacks off, roughly 10 minutes. When your finger doesn't turn that color ;D on the over spray next to the part..not on the part.. ::) spray a medium wet cross coat. Walk away. The tack coat keeps the heavier coat from running. Make sense?
Also.. you absolutely have to have enough light to see the gloss as you are spraying. If you can't see that, you're pissin in the wind. ;D
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Thanks Chuck. Yeah... the guy wasn't specific on this type of paint. The can didn't say how to apply. I called the shop after the fact and got someone who told me how to precede. I also did my research on enamels. Live and learn. Just a little sanding. I'll do as you suggested.
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Thanks Chuck. Yeah... the guy wasn't specific on this type of paint. The can didn't say how to apply. I called the shop after the fact and got someone who told me how to precede. I also did my research on enamels. Live and learn. Just a little sanding. I'll do as you suggested.
Enamel separates the men from the boys.. ;) What you spray is what you get.
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Enamel separates the men from the boys.. ;) What you spray is what you get.
Well, that tells me a lot. ;-T
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Oh, forgot.. you'll have to wait a week to sand and recoat. You have to give the solvents time to gas out.
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Oh, forgot.. you'll have to wait a week to sand and recoat. You have to give the solvents time to gas out.
I went in with your cryL II recipe and they couldn't give me that due to the fact I have no professional sprayer. So, having to use a Preval sprayer they gave me something without a catalyst (as they call it). It's a very fast drying acrylic and a much cheaper version of single stage but works with these sprayers. So, I have called them twice now and talked to two different folks. One said I did too many light coats and that's why it lifted. To sand after 24-48 hrs. and do a medium coat (possibly 2) and leave it at that. The guy this morning said I shot it on too thick or didn't wait long enough between. Neither of which I did. He said go light coats with plenty of time between after sanding after 24-48 hrs.
Now you see my confusion as nobody agrees how to shoot this stuff. I WON't do what guy no. 2 says as that didn't work and I know enough that light coats aren't good. I think I will shoot one good medium coat with wet look and see what it gets me after sanding. Maybe add a second. Argh!! Shoot as you suggested? I'd trust your word over theirs certainly.
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It took me three weeks to get a barely acceptable paint job on my gas tank. Spray it on, sand it off, try it again. I finally got it though. You know, you can just wet sand your color with warm water /dawn soap mix. Use 600 grit paper. Don't sand through the color. Once it is smooth, spray clear on it and it's done. Just an idea....
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They told me no clear coat with this stuff is all. If I did they said an enamel clear coat. It's the reaction stuff that COULD take place. I don't kno what to believe anymore. I have an enamel clear at home. Chuck may know options here?? Can I do as Mike suggests?
There is too much science involved in this stuff for these dudes that sell and tell you how to apply it. I think they've been around too many fumes to remember. :P
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Maybe the paint manufacturer has a tech support guy who will tell you what you need to know.
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They told me no clear coat with this stuff is all. If I did they said an enamel clear coat. It's the reaction stuff that COULD take place. I don't kno what to believe anymore. I have an enamel clear at home. Chuck may know options here?? Can I do as Mike suggests?
There is too much science involved in this stuff for these dudes that sell and tell you how to apply it. I think they've been around too many fumes to remember. :P
Not as far as I know. Look, I'm not a painter, but I can paint. I've had to learn to do it on airplanes. If you do enamel right, you won't need a clear coat. Base coat clear coat is much more forgiving than enamel, fwiw. What I'm telling you is what my kid taught me. He *is* a painter.. retired, thankfully.
If it were me, I'd wait a week before sanding, and try again. The way I told you is the way I've been taught. Painting is an art, there are *many* pitfalls. I've done most of them.. ;D
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Cool, will do Chuck. Appreciate your experience.
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I guess I cheat, I have always used acrylic lacquer. ::)
Painted a few cars and odds and sods; always came out reasonably well. I think you have just put me off ever trying to do enamel!
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Alright, sanded off the nasty and re-shot it today. Better, but certainly not perfect. Will put it on the bike as is and run with it for awhile. I layed it on good as I saw the same thing happening as before. Unfortunately I ended up with some saging at the bottom (see photo). Should be low enough for the casual passerby to not notice. I will find out when it's on the bike. Not without a little orangepeel but close to my OEM tanks paint. The bike ain't a gem.
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;D
Which one's the fresh paint?
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;D
Which one's the fresh paint?
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Certainly not as perfectly smooth as that but you have a REAL sprayer and I'm dealing with a Preval job for $7.00 (GC). I will say this, I've got one heck of a shine going. Didn't realize what's possible with this. It's pretty deep. I guess that's the reward.
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It's pretty deep. I guess that's the reward.
Yep. Enamel done right is really glossy, and you don't get into the labor of sanding, sanding, polishing,clear coating, etc. It's a tremendous labor saver on something as big as an airplane..
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Mounted fairing today. Taking on the look I want.
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Looks very nice! Painting is practice.
How is the comfort of the seat? Does it keep you in one place or is it easy to move fore and aft?
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Looks very nice! Painting is practice.
How is the comfort of the seat? Does it keep you in one place or is it easy to move fore and aft?
The seat is quite stunning. It's the original pan and fitment, however, it lays flat on the frame rails. Stock seat sloped upward in the rear which wants to slightly tilt the pelvis forward and also puts more pressure on the hands/wrists. I'm not a fan of that though it was only slight. So, this is as very neutral and alleviates those negatives. No building up of foam as the lowered seating was perfect for my neck/wrists/center of gravity. The front rounded shape that transitions to the tank makes it very comfortable for the inner thighs as it's one seamless piece; never had something feel so smooth. Feel good about how it all worked out. No motion for/aft but room to move if you want (small ass here).
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Looking good!
I do a lot of spraying in my "day job" (guitar-building). I can't help you with the Preval system since I have no experience. I have a spray booth and 'real' guns, both conventional and HVLP.
However, I would suggest that whenever possible spray any item as horizontally as possible. That is, lay the item flat rather than hang it vertically. I would have tried to support the fairing from the inside with the headlight hole facing up. I would then place it on a turnstile with good light from more than one source. Very easy to spray (and see) with the object spinning in front of you and stable light sources.
For next time!
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Looking good!
I do a lot of spraying in my "day job" (guitar-building). I can't help you with the Preval system since I have no experience. I have a spray booth and 'real' guns, both conventional and HVLP.
However, I would suggest that whenever possible spray any item as horizontally as possible. That is, lay the item flat rather than hang it vertically. I would have tried to support the fairing from the inside with the headlight hole facing up. I would then place it on a turnstile with good light from more than one source. Very easy to spray (and see) with the object spinning in front of you and stable light sources.
For next time!
I totally agree. The edges are an issue is all. So many important edges to hit. as well as the backside the first time around. It's a tough little piece. Thanks for the advice though and will try to do that if there's a next time around and I decide to try it. It fits with the old-school job done on the tank. That's got orange peel also from the factory, though minor.
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Man, that is looking good, coming together nicely! Riding weather soon.....
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Thanks Mike. Went for first start-up of the season and turned on the spigots only to find gas dribbling all over. Leak at the crossover junction. Hate those fu€<#%¥ things... so ordered double banjos and quality clear gas line and will be done with that nonsense. Had enough in the bowls to fire her up though. Bubs music.
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I painted my 77 LeMans with enamel and of course had orange peel and some drips, so I wet sanded it with some 1500 then buffed it out, it came out okay but I could never get that great gloss back. One of these days I'll try again.
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Yeah man! Love that sound!
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I may have missed it in your write up somewhere but how did you get your pipes upswept? Just bend the crossover?
That bike would look really cool with one of those new scrambler pipe kits for the v7.
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I may have missed it in your write up somewhere but how did you get your pipes upswept? Just bend the crossover?
That bike would look really cool with one of those new scrambler pipe kits for the v7.
No Warren, just stock Bubs made for the Lario. They have a good upsweep on them. Everything else stock with regard to headers.
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Got rid of the crossover web that started weeping. Went to a double banjo and quality hose (Motion Pro) so I can see what's going on and add simplicity.
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Man... Gonna be warm soon!!! Time to ride that bad bike! Cool fix with the banjo fitting.
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I use clear tubing, you need more hose clamps, they are cheap (guzzi content) ;-T
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Man... Gonna be warm soon!!! Time to ride that bad bike! Cool fix with the banjo fitting.
Yes, it is! We've had some spikes in temp lately so there have been windows of opportunity, however, between painting, etc. I've had to bow out. But, we have lots of salt still on the roads because we've had NO precipitation in over two weeks since the thaw began. Getting cold again but hopefully we get rain next week. I'll take the sunshine no doubt but we need to get this grime and dust off the roads. Please Mother Nature I can ride now. I'll do another startup later today sans gas leak.
I've got 6 hose clamps on 2 lines. :P. Never had a leak at the banjo. Will watch.
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Bubs music
http://s904.photobucket.com/user/kevin3019/media/Lario/6C09E38C-469B-41B8-90BA-38910ACF1D30_1.mp4.html (http://s904.photobucket.com/user/kevin3019/media/Lario/6C09E38C-469B-41B8-90BA-38910ACF1D30_1.mp4.html)
edit: Went for a first ride in the cool temps and she climbed up top very nicely. ;-T Sweet ride.
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Sounds sweet! Just like mine! That's pretty cool.
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Larios are bad.. ;D
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Data point. Did a short run of about 10 min. and tested the battery. I've done only start-ups prior with little to no charging and noticed a drain of course. After my run the battery was showing good results (12.9). I went so far as to hook it up to the tender to see what would happen and within a minute registered full charge (13.13). Moral of the story is I'm confident this small 4 cell will work just fine as long as I don't just start the bike and let it sit for several sessions in a row. I have never done that.
Edit: after doing this write-up I went and checked the battery again in case of a spike from the charger. Yep... registered 12.9 after settling in. The Lario kept it at full charge at run in only a 10-15 min. run. Manufacturer recommends 20 min. runs from what I remember to keep it charged.
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Nice, I'd like a smaller battery in mine....hmmmm....
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Nice, I'd like a smaller battery in mine....hmmmm....
Yeah man... this sucker is TINY. Cheap (GC) ;-T
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I use clear tubing, you need more hose clamps, they are cheap (guzzi content) ;-T
The winner is Father Guzzi. Took my second ride last evening and stutter stutter run stutter stutter run. Looked at the lines and saw lots of air. Air was getting sucked into the system at the banjos/no fuel leaks. They expanded at the fitting over the two week period just enough. Bike ran without hesitation on the first outing just after fitting the new lines. They were snug at that time. Thank you Father.
Fixed
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"Sucked in"??? Don't see how in a gravity fed, non-fuel pumped system. Something about this Lario that atypical? ???
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"Sucked in"??? Don't see how in a gravity fed, non-fuel pumped system. Something about this Lario that atypical? ???
Ok, it leaked in. What's thinner air or gas? Lots of air in the lines. Came in through the banjo, rose up, fuel didn't like forcing its way down so well. I don't have an extreme downward run or probably could have. After the fix I see full gas lines again, no air. Will know for certain when I run her.
Edit: Rain stopped; good run in; ran super, no sputter; lines are full of fuel ONLY. Moral of the story: On a gravity fed system it's pertinent to have all hook-ups locked down. Just because there's no fuel leaking out doesn't mean there's no air getting in. Thanks again Father Guzzi for getting in the back of my head and staying there. Also glad I had clear fuel lines. Precisely why.
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No.....with petcocks open pressure in lines/banjos/all way to carbs should have the hydrostatic positive pressure of the distance from top of fuel level in tank to that level - sure you don't have a faulty gas cap vent?
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Nah, no vapor lock on the cap. If air keeps making its way in from the lowest point, gas has a harder time making its way down. All I know is once I stopped the air intrusion it filled with fuel (no gaps) and the bike runs perfectly again. That's all I did.
Vroooooom!!
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Finally picked up my stock Lario today. Will get it on the road while my other is having its weep fixed.
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Have had some saddle time with the stock bike and it runs very well. Differences are staggering in the two however as this engine feels much more sedate and small in comparison and the front forks/brakes/lowered stance upgrades are WORLDS apart. I'm rather shocked how "insecure" I now feel on the stock bike. Biggest thing are these flimsy forks. Good to re-visit. Can't wait to get the cafe back together starting today.
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Kev, as much as you rag on the stock Lario front end, I wonder if there isn't something wrong with it? Maybe steering head bearings or swing arm bearings? Mine is certainly no Ohlins bike, but it's uh.. ok. I pulled the front end apart last week and cleaned/lubed/adjusted the steering head bearings and it's rock solid again. I ran up to a bike show in Northern Indiana today, and I could set the throttle lock and run hands off at any speed. It's good enough that I'm going to spend the big bux and put FAC dampers on it.
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Kev, as much as you rag on the stock Lario front end, I wonder if there isn't something wrong with it? Maybe steering head bearings or swing arm bearings? Mine is certainly no Ohlins bike, but it's uh.. ok. I pulled the front end apart last week and cleaned/lubed/adjusted the steering head bearings and it's rock solid again. I ran up to a bike show in Northern Indiana today, and I could set the throttle lock and run hands off at any speed. It's good enough that I'm going to spend the big bux and put FAC dampers on it.
Nah,simply put, these things aren't that solidly made. The Marzz are 35mm also and they are solid in static flexing whereas these are like toothpicks how much they flex. There's got to be big difference in road manners due to this. I'm not a believer and wouldn't sink a dime into them from my experience. But... we differ on what we think of the stock brakes also. Adequate... yep. I'm spoiled now I'll admit.
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I notice you have a fork brace on your modified one, and none on the stock one. Not fair. :)
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I notice you have a fork brace on your modified one, and none on the stock one. Not fair. :)
True. I modded my "fender mount" into a fork brace. It helps.
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I notice you have a fork brace on your modified one, and none on the stock one. Not fair. :)
Jim,
The fender mount acts as a "fork brace" to a slight degree on stock Larios. There was nothing in the way of a fender on my cafe for a season so I added the brace. Yes, better than the stock brace no doubt, but my original study on static testing was with no brace and flexion of the inner/outer tubes when fore/aft pressure was applied. Worlds apart, and the stock had the advantage with the fender brace vs. nothing on the Marzz forks. Bottom line again is solidness of design and make-up. There's only so much a brace will do. The dampening I can live with on them. I'm a pretty forgiving rider, but the difference is staggering and I've found my proof as to why.
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The fender mount acts as a "fork brace" to a slight degree on stock Larios.
Only if you bin the rubber grommets and make delrin bushings..
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Exactly one week down for the seal replacement on the rear main shaft of the transmission. Got it home and found it wasn't charging. Thanks to the good folks here on WG we surmised it needed a re-flashing of the rotor with the stator. Put 12 volts through it and shazzam it came to life. One day for tear-down and one for re-build. Guzzi shop did the nut from Hell and seal change.
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All is well that ends well; no leaks!