New V7 Sport

[Kev m]

Merry Christmas Kev, yes I thought for some reason that only the Sport got the 52mm injectors. I had read that in one of the reviews.

The special I rode was a 25 and my Sport is a 2026. So maybe the 2026 V7 engines are all the same, and the 25 Special and stone didn’t get the new ecu and injectors??

Anyway whatever the specs between trims, I love the color and the blacked out drivetrain on the Sport.
It “feels” about as fast as my ‘94 Ducati 900ss. That bike was dyno’ed at 72 hp at the rear wheel. So the MG has less HP but more torque 🤷🏻‍♂️.

Just in an interest of trying to help with the terminology.

Throttle body, not injectors.

The 38 mm or 52 mm dimension is talking about the diameter of the metered air passage with the throttle butterfly.

The injectors are much MUCH smaller and mount directly to the manifold by each intake port.

As for 25 vs 26, anything's possible. Maybe they only brought in old style Specials for 25 or maybe the first batch was actually the new ones and they actually carried the 25 model year VIN code. Or sometimes salesman are sloppy with such things.

Obviously if it was the old ones I would better understand the dramatic seat of the pants difference in feel. But the old ones didn't have multi mapping and was physically different lacking the other changes like the exhaust and other external changes that came on the new series.

[Moparnut72]

It is hard to discern what differences there are between model years. The dealer I got my '26 from had this one on the floor but had three or four '25's in stock. I can't say what differences there are between the two from what has been published. Most of the literature for the '26 is the same as the '25's. The only thing that is obviously different is the exhaust system. The '26 has the cat underneath the bike rather than in the mufflers. Consequently the mufflers are different and a lot more aggressive sounding than the V7lll I had. I bought the '26 online and over the phone. They had it by door when I picked it up so I was unable to compare it side by side with the '25's on the floor. Since the '26 was marginally more costly than the '25's I went with the '26 plus I liked the white over the black '25's. AS far as horsepower goes I think Moto Guzzi either underrates theirs or Triumph overrates theirs. My V7 seems to be almost as powerful as the T120 I had. By the seat of my pants they are quite comparable. The V7 is rated at 67 and the T120 79. Anyway, no matter, I am very happy with the bike.
kk

[Moparnut72]

It would help if there were someone here who has a '25 could clarify. When I was comparing my main concern was cruise control due to my messed up right hand. The dealer's description said the '25's had cruise control. Others have said that they don't. Those who said they do say it is activated by the start button as there is no dedicated button which the '26's have. I am talking about the Specials and Stones not the Sports. My Audace activated something after the motor was running with the start button, I can't remember for sure but I think it was riding modes. Anyway there is a lot of confusion over these later models. I don't care anymore just going to ride it.
kk

[Kev m]

It would help if there were someone here who has a '25 could clarify. When I was comparing my main concern was cruise control due to my messed up right hand. The dealer's description said the '25's had cruise control. Others have said that they don't. Those who said they do say it is activated by the start button as there is no dedicated button which the '26's have. I am talking about the Specials and Stones not the Sports. My Audace activated something after the motor was running with the start button, I can't remember for sure but I think it was riding modes. Anyway there is a lot of confusion over these later models. I don't care anymore just going to ride it.
kk

So you bring a great point where anyone should be able to tell if a 25 is the old series or the new series.

Only the NEW series is RBW (and therefore can have cruise).

The old series would still have throttle cables.

[Moparnut72]

Right, I have heard and read that the '25's are RBW but I have also heard that they are not. I am referring to the Special and Stone. The '25 Sport is obviously RBW but I don't know about the more standard models.
kk

[Kev m]

Right, I have heard and read that the '25's are RBW but I have also heard that they are not. I am referring to the Special and Stone. The '25 Sport is obviously RBW but I don't know about the more standard models.
kk

I don't care what is called a 25 or 26 model.

I care what it ACTUALLY IS.

I mean in theory it's possible one run could be the previous model and another could be the later model.

But if the bike in question is NOT RBW, then it's the earlier model with the 38mm throttle body.

If it's RBW, then it's the later model with the 52 mm throttle body, the separate ECU, the later exhaust system etc etc etc.

It's one or the other, there's no in between regardless of what model year it's called. They are "completely" different series.

[Dr. Enzo Toma]

Dealers sometimes mess up model years, even in the paperwork. The most concrete way to check on a bike is look at the 10th character of the VIN.
S = 2025
T = 2026

[Bulldog9]

So you bring a great point where anyone should be able to tell if a 25 is the old series or the new series.

Only the NEW series is RBW (and therefore can have cruise).

The old series would still have throttle cables.

Being precise in our language...... Isn't the acronym "TBW" better for Throttle By Wire better than RBW  R____ By Wire?    Love ya Bro, Merry Christmas and Happy New year.  Or am I yeeet again woefully uninformed? 

[Kev m]

Being precise in our language...... Isn't the acronym "TBW" better for Throttle By Wire better than RBW  R____ By Wire?    Love ya Bro, Merry Christmas and Happy New year.  Or am I yeeet again woefully uninformed? 

Sorry brother the joke is going over my head.

Yeah TBW would be most precise but the colloquial tends to be DBW (drive) or RBW (ride) at least that's what I'm used to. I forget maybe it was TBW in the Marine industry but they always used the term throttle.

*shrugs* they're all just different ways around a square I guess.

[Dr. Enzo Toma]

In the auto industry "drive by wire" is the prevalent term. Since motorcycles are ridden, "ride by wire" as a term may have just been adapted from that.
"Ride by wire" is the long accepted moto industry term for it though. If you navigate to https://www.motoguzzi.com/us_EN/models/v7/ and then click the text "Advanced" under the gear you'll find Moto Guzzi refer to it there as well.

[SIR REAL ED]

Sorry brother the joke is going over my head.

Yeah TBW would be most precise but the colloquial tends to be DBW (drive) or RBW (ride) at least that's what I'm used to. I forget maybe it was TBW in the Marine industry but they always used the term throttle.

*shrugs* they're all just different ways around a square I guess.

Pretty sure all of you are wrong.  It is fly by wire (FBW).

Also, FYI, FWIW, IIRC, AFAIK, the whole point of using acronyms is that people who don't understand the language, or those of us who are lazy or lousy typers, can still participate in the conversation.

IPUAOALPF!

If you are not inventing at least one new acronym per week and posting it, you are not increasing the totality of human knowlege.

[Bulldog9]

Pretty sure you are all wrong.  It is fly by wire (FBW).

Also, FYI, FWIW, IIRC, the whole point of using acronyms is that people who don't understand the language can still participate in the conversation.

IPUALOAEPF!

Of course I was wrong 

[bad Chad]

Reading this it's clear that many of us need to get out of the house!  Go find something, or someone to see!  This is the very definition of, internet time wasting.

[Kev m]

Pretty sure all of you are wrong.  It is fly by wire (FBW).

Also, FYI, FWIW, IIRC, AFAIK, the whole point of using acronyms is that people who don't understand the language, or those of us who are lazy or lousy typers, can still participate in the conversation.

IPUAOALPF!

If you are not inventing at least one new acronym per week and posting it, you are not increasing the totality of human knowlege.

Ha ha, yup, that is of course where it started long before the ground or sea.

And agreed.

[SIR REAL ED]

Reading this it's clear that many of us need to get out of the house!  Go find something, or someone to see!  This is the very definition of, internet time wasting.

At least with the internet, you don't have to waste time all by yourself.

 

[SIR REAL ED]

Having worked in the nuclear power industry for decades, my biggest concern with these new V7's is a LOCA!

[Moparnut72]

I looked up LOCA. Lol. Guess it is not so funny in the nuclear energy industry.

My gripe is how a lot of motorcycle manufacturers label their bikes with a string of letters and numbers. Reading an article talking about bikes and referring to one by #$%^&*, I have no fricken idea as to the bike let alone the manufacturer. I am old school and prefer bikes to be
 named after animals, cities, mountains etc.
kk

[Dirk_S]

I looked up LOCA. Lol. Guess it is not so funny in the nuclear energy industry.

My gripe is how a lot of motorcycle manufacturers label their bikes with a string of letters and numbers. Reading an article talking about bikes and referring to one by #$%^&*, I have no fricken idea as to the bike let alone the manufacturer. I am old school and prefer bikes to be
 named after animals, cities, mountains etc.
kk

I can think of many ‘old school’ bikes whose model names are simply letters and numbers.

[Moparnut72]

Agreed probably why I don't remember but a few. 
kk

[SIR REAL ED]

Agreed probably why I don't remember but a few. 
kk

sounds like a software problem.... you might want to re-boot your hard drive!

[Bulldog9]

I looked up LOCA. Lol. Guess it is not so funny in the nuclear energy industry.

My gripe is how a lot of motorcycle manufacturers label their bikes with a string of letters and numbers. Reading an article talking about bikes and referring to one by #$%^&*, I have no fricken idea as to the bike let alone the manufacturer. I am old school and prefer bikes to be
 named after animals, cities, mountains etc.
kk

Funny, I see the trend going TOWARDS names of motorcycles, not away. In the 70's and 80's the trend was Z___ XS____ FJ___ CB___ CBR___ There were very few UJMs with names. But it's all perspective and where you look I guess. But I agree, I far prefer Names rather than letters & numbers on Motorcycles and Cars/Trucks