To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Also, a LUMBERSEXUAL is supposed to be the opposite of a METROSEXUAL

[normzone]

My bike came with a MGNOC sticker on it. I don't do stickers, but I'm afraid to take it off.

[dilligaf]

My only interaction with the MGNOC has been seeing a few of their stickers on a few Guzzis...  I have been to the website maybe 5x just browsing the classified area..

I can't see a single thing the MGNOC could or would bring to my riding or ownership experience??  I did attend one rally so far, the VA Rally at Meadows of Dan last July.. The only evidence of the MGNOC there was the same.. a handful of the bikes had MGNOC stickers on them...  The only mention of the national club I heard all weekend was when the NC rep said that the MGNOC wouldn't put the NC Rally on the calendar because Frank doesn't like him.  So no, I'm not a member and not sure what im missing by not joining?

The evidence of the MGNOC was the VA rally at Willville Motorcycle Campground (Meadows of Dan) you attended.  Currently MGNOC has 36 reps in 33 states.  MGNOC Reps are volunteer who  organize activities with in each state.  Activities are listed in the MGNOC News Letter. http://www.mgnoc.com/index.html  Click on club meetings and rides.  You do not have to be member.  :BEER:
Matt

[Dilliw]

The evidence of the MGNOC was the VA rally at Willville Motorcycle Campground (Meadows of Dan) you attended.  Currently MGNOC has 36 reps in 33 states.  MGNOC Reps are volunteer who  organize activities with in each state.  Activities are listed in the MGNOC News Letter. http://www.mgnoc.com/index.html  Click on club meetings and rides.  You do not have to be member.  :BEER:
Matt

The VA rally had its own website and there wasn't anything on that site about an association with the MGNOC.  That rally was advertised here heavily here at Wildguzzi and the posts didn't say anything about MGNOC.  It's easy to see that a first timer like the Mayor (who we enjoyed eating fruit with by the way) would not associate anything about that rally with the MGNOC.

[dilligaf]

The VA rally had its own website and there wasn't anything on that site about an association with the MGNOC.  That rally was advertised here heavily here at Wildguzzi and the posts didn't say anything about MGNOC.  It's easy to see that a first timer like the Mayor (who we enjoyed eating fruit with by the way) would not associate anything about that rally with the MGNOC.

You know that is very true.  I've attended MG rallies in the east, central and west and don't think I have ever seen MGNOC advertised and that includes two nationals.  :BEER:
Matt

[Bill Hagan]

My bike came with a MGNOC sticker on it. I don't do stickers, but I'm afraid to take it off.

I'll send you one of these to replace it.





The best HIPsters live in Inman Park, but you can be a wannabe.  ;D

Created these as a fundraiser.  Worked.
 
Bill

[redrider90]

I'll send you one of these to replace it.
The best HIPsters live in Inman Park, but you can be a wannabe.  ;D

Created these as a fundraiser.  Worked.
 
Bill

Average price of home in Inman Park is a cool $600K with a median income of $71K. Seems a bit more of high roller, up and coming white collar community than hipsters.
Now that I know what a hipster is?  :D

[davedel44]

Really hoping beatnik lingo will come back around , as in , "that hep cat is one cool daddyo playin that ax"

  Dusty

Beatniks don't play the guitar, they play the bongos.  My Okie buddy didn't you ever see the Doby Gillis show?

Dave
Galveston

[sbaker]

It may be blasphemy but perhaps FaceBook would be a better location for this forum... Yes I know all about the objections, but it is international and there is already a thriving Moto Guzzi environment... The MGNOC FB page has 2600 followers.. The International Page has 6000....  Worth looking into. But checking all the various individual web boards is cumbersome.

[begin WWLD dream sequence]

Thank you for the link Rocker but I hear that site is full of facts & I have ALREADY made up my mind on this.

Some of you may delight evolving your perceptions in light of facts but I find great consternation lies that way - my views were decided long ago with indoctrination, leanings & emotion.

If I opened that link by my own definition I would be a FREE-LOADER since they too ask for donations. I prefer to do my internet FREE-LOADING in private if you know what I mean, thank you!

[end of WWLD dream sequence]

[Chuck in Indiana]

My bike came with a MGNOC sticker on it. I don't do stickers, but I'm afraid to take it off.

Hey, it's kinda like changing the name of an airplane or boat, man.... bad ju ju..

[flip]

Maynard was my hero  :D

  Dusty

 :+1

[LowRyter]

Maynard was my hero  :D

  Dusty

UNCANNY !

[youcanrunnaked]

It seems to me that these stories about the VA Rally illustrate what is problematic about the MGNOC.  While the historic organizing force of the MGNOC may be responsible for there being a group of volunteers available to put on rallies, including the VA Rally, today there appears to be nothing in the way of tangible support for these rallies from the MGNOC except a listing on its web site's rally calendar -- and apparently you can't even count on that if the organizer is on Frank Wedge's "enemies" list.

The lack of tangible support calls into question where the value is in MGNOC membership.  If it is true that you can't even get a rally listing if you are on Frank's bad side, that suggests a cult of personality that benefits no one except Frank.

IMO, it would be a shame to have to start organizing a new national organization from scratch; even worse if such a new national organization was perceived as a rival to the MGNOC and people started taking sides.

[Dean Rose]

This has all been discussed every winter that I have been on this board. Pardon me if I wrong but Frank does not contribute any funds to the state reps for their rallies. Nor will he offer any assistance if you are on the wrong side of him. It's like we have a Moto Guzzi Mafia here in the USA. I got on the wrong side of him when I suggested that the MGNOC might want to join the Moto Guzzi World Club


Dean

[davedel44]

UNCANNY !

OOOOOOOOOH  NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Dave
Galveston

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

I don't really care about the MGNOC either way..

Just please note that I never said the NC Rally wasn't on the calendar because frank doesn't like the NC rep..

I only reported that the NC REP said that in front of the whole crowd at the award ceremony of the VA Rally

don't shoot the messenger   :beat_horse

[Rick T.]

Did someone just say "Moto Guzzi Mafia"?? LOL

[Nick]

..... today there appears to be nothing in the way of tangible support for these rallies from the MGNOC except a listing on its web site's rally calendar -- and apparently you can't even count on that if the organizer is on Frank Wedge's"enemies" list.

The lack of tangible support calls into question where the value is in MGNOC membership.  If it is true that you can't even get a rally listing if you are on Frank's bad side, that suggests a cult of personality that benefits no one except Frank.

my bolds BTW

Help me understand this:
1. What would you like the MGNOC to do regarding your two "tangible support" references above?
2. Where are you getting this enemy/bad side information from? What State reps are on that list?
Thanks,
Nick

[jreagan]

When I first got my B1100, I looked at MGNOC, but saw it was mostly rally oriented (and somewhat 'dated').  I'm not a rally kind-of-guy.  Not my cup of tea.  I live less than 30 miles from the Kentucky rally site and still have no interest.  So with that in mind, I skipped joining MGNOC.

For WG (and GT) sites, I find technical information/exchanges that I think are useful.  I've donated to WG in support of Luap's effort.

[Arizona Wayne]

I really don't get why some here think there has to be a "breathe new life into the MG owners group".  You already have 2 options or more.  If you don't like 1 of them, stay away.  If you like both, participate.  Capiche?   :BEER:  Or go to the trouble of starting your own and see how far you get.  ;)

[Nick]

Capiche?   :BEER: ;)

As we say in the Mafia....umm...moth er country..... that would be "capisci" or if you prefer the americanized dialect..."capish"  ;D

But, well said anyway!

Nick

[Lannis]

I real don't get why some here think there has to be a "breathe new life into the MG owners group".  You already have 2 options or more.  If you don't like 1 of them, stay away.  If you like both, participate.  Capiche?   :BEER:  Or go to the trouble of starting your own and see how far you get.  ;)

It's not easy to understand.   Some people have a real negative passion about the fact that Frank and the MGNOC even exist, as if it's hurting them personally.

Look at some of the war-like, paranoiac language that's been used in this one thread in relation to MGNOC.

“Assault”
“Branded”
“Jihad”
“Takeover”
“Forced on me”
“Required to pay”
“Restricted”
“Requiring payment”
“Branding” (again)”
“Unwelcome”
“Joe McCarthy”
“Gestapo”
“Belittle”
“Shame”
“Loyalty oaths”
“Enforcing”.

Nobody is requiring anything, nobody is enforcing anything, nobody is shaming anyone, no one is requiring "loyalty oaths", but this is the mindset people have.   Nobody can "take over" anything, there's no war, no assault, no jihad ... why all this negative perception?   Frank's very existence, Lannis' unwelcome opinions, MGNOC's place in the universe, can all disappear in an INSTANT and become a non-factor in your or anyone's life if you push the right button on your keyboard.

I was sitting in a cafe booth once.  Four guys were sitting in the next booth.   They were talking about "takeovers", "cliques", "constitutions", "commitments", "lies" - I thought they were plotting a coup in a Central American country.  Turns out they were part of a 12-man bass-fishing club ...  :o

Lannis

[Randown]

It's not easy to understand.

...

Four guys were sitting in the next booth.   They were talking about "takeovers", "cliques", "constitutions", "commitments", "lies" - I thought they were plotting a coup in a Central American country.  Turns out they were part of a 12-man bass-fishing club ...  :o

Lannis

Well the lies & fishermen part is easy to understand.

[dilligaf]

It's not easy to understand.   Some people have a real negative passion about the fact that Frank and the MGNOC even exist, as if it's hurting them personally.

Look at some of the war-like, paranoiac language that's been used in this one thread in relation to MGNOC.

“Assault”
“Branded”
“Jihad”
“Takeover”
“Forced on me”
“Required to pay”
“Restricted”
“Requiring payment”
“Branding” (again)”
“Unwelcome”
“Joe McCarthy”
“Gestapo”
“Belittle”
“Shame”
“Loyalty oaths”
“Enforcing”.

Nobody is requiring anything, nobody is enforcing anything, nobody is shaming anyone, no one is requiring "loyalty oaths", but this is the mindset people have.   Nobody can "take over" anything, there's no war, no assault, no jihad ... why all this negative perception?   Frank's very existence, Lannis' unwelcome opinions, MGNOC's place in the universe, can all disappear in an INSTANT and become a non-factor in your or anyone's life if you push the right button on your keyboard.

I was sitting in a cafe booth once.  Four guys were sitting in the next booth.   They were talking about "takeovers", "cliques", "constitutions", "commitments", "lies" - I thought they were plotting a coup in a Central American country.  Turns out they were part of a 12-man bass-fishing club ...  :o

Lannis

 :+1 Except you missed "enemies list".  :BEER:
Matt

[redrider90]

:+1 Except you missed "enemies list".  :BEER:
Matt

Forgot "freeloaders" also. Actually I think that group of fisherman were talking about the US Congress and not club politics.
Hey right when we got Dusty between a rock and a hard spot the subject changes. I wanna go back to those pics of Dusty and Maynard.  ;D  ;D

[Bill Hagan]

When I first got my B1100, I looked at MGNOC, but saw it was mostly rally oriented (and somewhat 'dated').  I'm not a rally kind-of-guy.  Not my cup of tea.  I live less than 30 miles from the Kentucky rally site and still have no interest.  So with that in mind, I skipped joining MGNOC.

For WG (and GT) sites, I find technical information/exchanges that I think are useful.  I've donated to WG in support of Luap's effort.

I am not a "rally kind-of-guy," either.  That said, I do, as Arizona Wayne suggested one might, belong to MGNOC, participate here, and lurk and post on other Guzzi websites.

I stay with MGNOC for several reasons, including sheer sentimentality.

But, for a more substantive reason, I also find several contributors there to be darned decent writers, e.g., Rand Rasmussen and Jamie Muller.

The former, in particular, writes so vividly about the long, cold, dark, straight roads and endless vistas of the Dakotas and Minnesota that I almost want to ride there.  I stress the "almost."  ;)  But, he is good.

And, Daniel Kalal, of inspired moto-photography and to-be-envied travel fame here, regularly posts essays with hot links.  Great stuff.

I do question many things about MGNOC, e.g., what Dean pointed out about Frank's response re the "world club."

But, hey, we all know what MGNOC is and isn't. That's enough MGNOC "services" for me for now, so I stay.

Best,

Bill

[rodekyll]

I notice the absence of a lot of key words in that list -- probably due to the authors of same, not due to what they may have been saying.   :D


I own a lot of the words on that list.  For the context-impaired, they were not written as attacks on the mgnoc.  They were written in defense of WG independence and in the defense of 'freeloaders' on the WG website.  I was very specific.  To cherry pick the words, assemble them into a list and fabricate a phony context is a disingenuously cheap shot.

[HDGoose]

Let's see if I can accurately sume up these 9 pages -

1) Someone wants a 'better' MGNOC.
2) Someone wants to know why someone else hasn't done something
3) Someone suggests that the someone actually do something instead of suggesting someone else should do something.
4) Many someone's chime in wanting someone else to do something to their liking.
5) Other someone's say it is what is is and no more.
6) Someone chimes in and says that's not good enough.


End result - more someone's leave, sell their Guzzi and then complain that Guzzi's suck and MGNOC sucks. All because no one did what they 'suggested'. Including them.

Close?

[Randown]

Lannis, are you a fisherman? There was a lot of bait in that post.

[Lannis]

Lannis, are you a fisherman? There was a lot of bait in that post.

I feel more like a puppeteer sometimes.   Say "X", and you can guarantee that "Y" will respond and say "Z".   

On the other hand, sometimes I'm the marionette .... I'll have to be careful about that tendency!

Lannis