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On the other hand.....you can also donate money to the operation of the forum which got the sanction from Frank. ;-T Before the forum, the owner's club was the only way for MG owners to stay in contact with like minded people.One of the non-stated benefits is the ease of MGNOC owners to open their homes and bikes to other members. ;-T A forum member only. Not so sure if I would extend myself to them.
That explains why you make me stay at the hilton when I come out there. ;)
A little history. If it were not for the MGNOC keeping the marque flying back in the 80's there would be no Guzzis in the USA. Andy Thompson Ind st rep
On the other hand.....you can also donate money to the operation of the forum which got the sanction from Frank. Before the forum, the owner's club was the only way for MG owners to stay in contact with like minded people.
It sounds like you are just too cheap to pay the annual dues. Man up and send in the money.
could someone explain why this Forum needed the permission of Frank to exist ? I am clearly ignorant of the intricacies of setting up a Forum but cannot see why his permission (sanction) was required.
Well i look at it this way.....how many people would give $30.00 to be part of an "owners club" IF UPFRONT it stated that said "owners club" would not even help ($) with any regional rallies AND not even help out ($) for the NATIONAL rally! The state reps should NOT have to loose their own money if the rally falls short on any given year. I would think that is one of the WORST business model to ever use..... I wolud think an "owners club" would want to improve rallies,help them grow....bring MORE people into the brand.....and of course bring more paying owners into your club. The current MGNOC is not a "owners club" to me..... FRAUD is more like it.Hell I don't have any dog in this fight...I'm still searching for my first Guzzi.....but if 3200 people want to send me $30.00 a year for a "sub owners club" I'll make sure to spend the money to help the club GROW.
Well, maybe you could send some of the money you're saving on MGNOC dues to Wild Guzzi? They're certainly helping you get your FRAUD message across, even though you've got "no dog in this fight" ...... Just a suggestion. There's no requirement at all .....Lannis (I'm running out of "I'm In The Third Group" pins this week, you may have to wait ...) :D
It is what it is and who freaking cares.
Seriously , Spring is here for most of us , and will make an appearance shortly for you guys up North . Let's attend some events , sanctioned or not . For those of you unable to attend for health or other reasons , maybe we can include you in the fun with the use of social media , or simply conference calls on speaker phone. Dusty
Even if MGNOC was a nonprofit that would not change a thing. People who work for nonprofits take salaries they do necessarily not work for free. There are clubs that charge a fee and clubs that do charge a fee. Frank is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes by charging a fee for access to his newsletter and whatever else he provides for that fee. For more on nonprofits see "How to make money off a nonprofit".http://smallbusiness.chron.com/make-money-nonprofit-organization-935.htmlSomeone said "What Frank did with his "club" thirty years ago is not a rational basis for membership in a marque club TODAY, or a reflection of the value of such membership TODAY, or an answer to, or justification for, the flaws in "this business."What has changed in the last 30 years since Frank started MGNOC? Only 1 thing...... the internet. That's it folks. MGNOC is probably the under the sole proprietary ownership of Frank Wedge. Just like I am the sole proprietary owner of my own chapter S corporation.The ideas that1. Frank saved the Marque from going bankrupt in the 80s is ludicrous 2. That Frank should somehow turn this into a non profit so MGNOC can continue after he croaks is meaningless and ludicrous.3.Either someone starts a new organization or they collectively get together on WG or some other site and make their rallies known to the public. Ton UP has rallies every year and does quite well thank you without Frank Wedge. They are a nonprofit club that sells products on the internet and charges to enter a bike to be shown in the events.Really these guys do it for the love the machine and the events they put on: but money still passes hands. Ton Up is one kind of club and MGNOC is another kind of club. I could not care less if Frank makes millions off his MGNOC. I think the grunts on the ground who put up the rallies deserve the gold star for working their butts off for little if no money.As for where would I rather hang out. Well I like rallies a whole bunch but I can get a "Guzzi" fix anytime I want it just by opening the lid on my computer machine anytime of the day or night. And as for tips well what I have seen happen in realtime on WG since I joined 2 years ago is crazy impressive with the knowledge and willingness of folks to help each other out. And watch it unfold in realtime is a blast. And dare I say we talk about out dogs, and spouses, wood burning stoves and other bikes we own even god forbid they are not Guzzi's and sometimes about guns oh no not guns... ;D So for me Frank is pass'e but MGNOC still seems to be thriving and GOOD for those who belong and GOOD for Frank if makes a buck off it. He just doesn't get my buck. And may all the rallies be jammed packed and rain free this year. And may WG survive hackers and all the rest of the scum bags who are trying to jam up the internet. I for one do not care a bit about what MGNOC should or should not be. It is what it is and who freaking cares. This is worse than having a fight with my :wife: Either join MGNOC and have a good time or do not join and have a good time. WTF is this craziness about. ??? ??? Frank Wedge and MGNOC..... so what. Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh
We have a winner in the Annual MGNOC WEDGE Winter fest essay contest ;D :BEER:
On the other hand, you're rather cloddishly leaning on someone to give money to luap. I thought that was settled earlier.
Even if MGNOC was a nonprofit that would not change a thing....
I WANT A LIVE WEB CAM FROM CEDAR VALE. HOW ABOUT IT D-MAN CAN YOU GET SOMEONE TO PULL IT OFF. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE 4G ACCESS AND PUT IT UP. BE THE FIRST TO DO A LIVE WEB CAM OF A GUZZI HANGOUT. :D ;D ;)
Frank doesn't care .
I beg to differ. What you wrote is simply, legally, factually incorrect.As I wrote earlier:It's also not about whether Frank "makes money" from "this business." While I believe that an entity such as the MGNOC should be organized as a not-for-profit corporation, I make this assertion based on the legal requirements that a not-for profit corporation has to follow concerning self-governance, operational formalities, record-keeping, reporting, and transparency, all of which are designed to benefit the membership of such an organization, and none of which apply to a for-profit sole proprietorship or close corporation. As I acknowledged immediately after the above, not-for-profit does not mean "not profitable." Frank Wedge or any future President of the MGNOC could draw a salary for their work, but as a not-for-profit, that salary would have to be approved by a board of directors who themselves are answerable to the membership, and disclosed in financial statements distributed to the membership. Compare that to the present situation, where nobody but Frank knows the finances of the Club, Frank takes from it whatever he wants -- as compensation for as much or as little work as he chooses to do, and nobody else has any say in these or any other operational matters.For the life of me, I can't understand what is so difficult to understand about this point. It seems to me that at a minimum, having a valid opinion on whether the MGNOC should continue as a close corporation or sole proprietorship (not really sure which of the two it is; the MGNOC web site gives no indication, and the Kansas Secretary of State has nothing on record regarding the organization), or should be organized as a not-for-profit corporation, requires that you know that there are substantial differences between these types of business entities. It makes a difference. Whether that difference is important to current or prospective members is a fair point for debate, but saying that re-organizing the MGNOC as a not-for-profit corporation "would not change a thing" is absurd.
