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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Penderic on September 16, 2014, 05:43:03 AM
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http://www.eicma.it/en/
Online tickets and Information available now. ;-T
Cover pic looks like a supercharger (turbocharger?) on a new engine! ....... hmmmm what could it be? ;)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/visual2014-EN1_zpsecce29e1.jpg)
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http://www.eicma.it/en/
Online tickets and Information available now. ;-T
Cover pic looks like a supercharger (turbocharger?) on a new engine! ....... hmmmm what could it be? ;)
The engine has a distinctive L look about its configuration it could simply be the DB11 VLX. Bit of a boring explanation its a new 120 degree 500 belicindria kompressor from Guzzi ~; .
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My favorite event of the year!
Now, if Guzzi will actually show anything "new" this year...
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The artwork looks like it is intended to be a visual amalgamation of a human heart and a motorcycle engine. I'm guessing intended to relate to the "passion" reference. Very Italian. ;)
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Bump.
Dogwalker, have you heard any rumors ?
:pop
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Bump.
Dogwalker, have you heard any rumors ?
:pop
Sounds like he mentioned a big one in the Big Block vs Small Block thread.
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Bump.
Dogwalker, have you heard any rumors ?
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=72375.0
I had one, but in the end it will be presented at Intermot and not at EICMA. So maybe there will be another in Milan.
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My favorite event of the year!
Now, if Guzzi will actually show anything "new" this year...
yes , the new bike colors....thats all...
Hey Aprilia is gonna be in MotoGP so everyone are busy with that new project....who cares about guzzi anymore.... Piaggio does not for sure. ( never did )
sad but true.
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The "rumor" I am curious to see is the possible new BMW S1000XR
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/09/05/2015-bmw-s1000xr-adventure-touring-motorcycle-spy-photos/
(http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/2015-BMW-S1000XR-spy-shot-2-590x393.jpg)
;-T
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Bump!
Will Guzzi be showing anything new in Milan?
:pop
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If they do, I hope it looks a good deal better than that supposed BMW. (insert vomit emogie here.)
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Hi all,
Been awhile. I'm still running the globe trying to make the world a better place for motorcyclists one helmet at time. I'm in Milan for the EICMA show, and by chance, I'm working at the Piaggio booth. I thought I'd share some pictures from set-up day.
The new California's are super cool with a dash of chrome added to the tank as an historic touch. There is a new Eldorado, though after I got to my room, I realized I didn't shoot it. I do have a shot of the California Touring and she's a beaut.
Lots of customized V7's here. Many are scramblers. VERY cool, and I'm assuming this push is thanks to Ducati's recent intro.
Stelvio now comes in a very nice red.
No Norge's here. They ARE still in the line for 2015, but a representative told me that despite their booth being the size of a small city, they had to make choices and with many new models in their other lines, the Norge had to stay home.
Some of these aren't great, but I had forklifts moving around me and a lot of busy workers, so I did the best I could. I'll add more images as I can and happy to try to respond to requests while I'm here. If you have something you want to see or more photo detail, let me know.
Enjoy,
Phil
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0043.jpg)
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Uh, Phil.... All that shows up are rectangles with "X" in them. Is it me, or some setting gone awry?
Thanks for the attempt!
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Hmmm. No photos. Let's try again...
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Sorry. Been awhile since I posted photos and obviously had it wrong the first time. Hope you enjoy these.
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Thanks Phil!
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Thanks Phil, keep em coming!
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:drool :drool
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A new Eldorado?
What's that like????
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A new Eldorado?
What's that like????
Ditto.
Thanks for the pics, very cool.
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Thx for the pics
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A new Eldorado, and that's the bike you forgot to take pics of???
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Isn't it just a model variation of the Cali?
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That's got to be it Kev. The red tank is probably the Ambo.
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That desert sand camo is cool..
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A new Eldorado?
What's that like????
It's like Bold New Graphics on a Cal 14, I'm sure...
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It's like Bold New Graphics on a Cal 14, I'm sure...
Looks like it's missing the side covers. Hope they're red too. A real passenger back rest too!
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It looks like they've built a small block Nuovo Falcone Militare.
Where's the modern supercharged laydown 650 single in the same livery?
Nice - even though but.......
Nick
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Wow! ;-T
Be still my wallet!
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Those scramblers look cool. The new Cali's look nice too. I'm impressed.
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A 1400 "Vaudace"with a normal headlight! Yay! ;-T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCwJwlEfYo
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/001_zps8c6a25bb.jpg)
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A 1400 "Vaudace"with a normal headlight! Yay! ;-T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCwJwlEfYo
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/001_zps8c6a25bb.jpg)
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finally, someone realized that the cali 1400 need to looks more like a "classic" bike than a space shuttle.
NOW if they only will replace that butt ugly rear fender with a classic one and mount a straight long seat , v7 style , i am sure it will attract more buyers .
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finally, someone realized that the cali 1400 need to looks more like a "classic" bike than a space shuttle.
NOW if they only will replace that butt ugly rear fender with a classic one and mount a straight long seat , v7 style , i am sure it will attract more buyers .
+1 from me! That fender has gotta go!
Couldn't tell from the video, but it looks like a shorter wheelbase, more clearance than the 1400 Calis?
Might be an illusion tho - without all the garbage that hangs off the tourer it's hard to bring into perspective.
I like this Guzzi the best of any of their other offerings. The V7 Scrambler is pretty in a couple of the variations, but not big enough for the type of riding I do, and the big Calis are just too long, too low and too phat for me.
G
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The exhaust tips are attractive too! :D
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(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0031.jpg)
This is the red they should paint the Norge instead of the current ugly root beer color.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MCNnews/status/529616176918573056
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yawn..
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A 1400 "Vaudace"with a normal headlight! Yay! ;-T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCwJwlEfYo
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/001_zps8c6a25bb.jpg)
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/138/246/tumblr_lltzgnHi5F1qzib3wo1_400.jpg)
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What the hell happened to my cali? I hope that image in my head goes away soon.
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That's one seriously ugly abomination. :P
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I need to see it from more angles. I don't HATE it... not sure I'm sold on it either.
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So they took my beloved California 1400 and made it look like a Victory Vision (shudder). It doesn't have any Italian-ness to it.
That said, I'm always happy to see that manufacturers are trying to do something new with the cruiser segment. Honda is leading the way with its weird parade of Goldwing-based cruisers, but at least they are looking at the future, not 1946.
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Could this lead the way to a full faired Cali? Was this some custom or from Mandello?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MCNnews/status/529616176918573056
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Dang, I thought YOU had a new Guzzi!
Lannis
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Dang, I thought YOU had a new Guzzi!
Lannis
Me too!
Since I couldn't see that picture I went to the MG USA page where I saw the black/red Griso. I've got to see that bike in person!
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(http://seaofcheese.forumcircle.com/forumdata/data60/seaofcheese/files/thumbs/t_1920081_10152841188053656_8501713303370424507_n_137.jpg)
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Strada Planata? (Street Glide?)
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A new adventure into fugly. :drool barfing not drooling
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That one strikes me like some of the amateurish cafe racers I see. Incomplete. Now the new Cali Eldorado at EICMA shows me something more.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/11/04/2015-moto-guzzi-california-audace-and-eldorado-cruiser-motorcycle-review-first-look-photos/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/11/04/2015-moto-guzzi-california-audace-and-eldorado-cruiser-motorcycle-review-first-look-photos/)
(http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Moto-Guzzi-California-Eldorado-590x441.jpg)
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Throw some white fenders on that and you have the descendant of my civilian eldo. That's not a bad place to drawn inspiration from in my biased opinion.
(for clarification, if needed, I am talking about the pic directly above, NOT the original linked "thing")
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I really hope this piece of junk harley wanna be it's NOT from Moto Guzzi , and it's just a "special" built from someone....i dont even want to know who..
I highly doubt in Mandello they will produce such a crappy bagger harley style, but you never know.
I know one thing : moto guzzi motorcycles do not have anything in common with HD , and that's the way it should be forever...and ever...and ever...
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Nice photos!
Any Grisi in evidence for 2015?
Moto
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I know one thing : moto guzzi motorcycles do not have anything in common with HD , and that's the way it should be forever...and ever...and ever...
No, you don't "know" that - you THINK that.
As a multi-time owner of both brands I'm of the strong opinion they share more similarities than not.
But a lot of Guzzi owners feel the need to return the BS elitism that is put forth by so many Harley owners and don't want to hear that.
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I really hope this piece of junk harley wanna be it's NOT from Moto Guzzi , and it's just a "special" built from someone....i dont even want to know who..
I highly doubt in Mandello they will produce such a crappy bagger harley style, but you never know.
I know one thing : moto guzzi motorcycles do not have anything in common with HD , and that's the way it should be forever...and ever...and ever...
I just hope that Moto Guzzi doesn't starve to death in the meantime.
For years and years, they've been able to do things the stylish Italian way that we love so much, and that we (the Guzzisti) have spent so much of our money on.
But there aren't many of us. We like bikes that we can RIDE, that perform, and that do it in the way we like.
Most of the motorcycle buying public is not like that. SOME actually ride, and look for functionality and the kind of style THEY like, which might be Japanese or European or British or American.
But the great majority are non-riding, posing sheep, as you can see from the swarms of extended-swingarm sport bikes and the herds of look-alike cruisers bumbling around every sunny Sunday.
And if you don't sell to those guys, you don't sell anything, and it's hard to buy groceries with nothing, especially in Mandello del Lario ....
Lannis
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(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0043.jpg)
Okay, Phil. Cal me dense (although I like "You're a taxi!" better). Is this someone's concept bike, or something we'll soon see at our Guzzi dealer?
Personally I really, really like it. 8)
Bill
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Okay, Phil. Cal me dense (although I like "You're a taxi!" better). Is this someone's concept bike, or something we'll soon see at our Guzzi dealer?
Personally I really, really like it. 8)
Bill
It's the "Eldorado" being shown right now in Milan. This bike is shown with leather accessories.
Supposedly, the "Eldorado 1400" will be added to the lineup soon:
http://www.eicma.it/en/2014/11/moto-guzzi-eldorado/
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Thanks, Rocker. I don't have much time to read - is that obvious? We're running to the Gila Wilderness in the spring of '15. I guess we'll take the EV. But I'd really like to go on an Eldorado 1400.
Judy looked at Phil's photos and said, "Wow! What is that?" For those who can't translate "little old lady," that means, "Who do we make the check out to?"
We'll see... I've gotten cold feet before...
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It's the "Eldorado" being shown right now in Milan. This bike is shown with leather accessories.
Supposedly, the "Eldorado 1400" will be added to the lineup soon:
http://www.eicma.it/en/2014/11/moto-guzzi-eldorado/
it is way beautiful with its 18" wheels and standard tail light style.
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California Gallery here.
http://www.motociclismo.it/gallery/moto-scooter/moto-guzzi-eldorado-e-audace
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No, you don't "know" that - you THINK that.
As a multi-time owner of both brands I'm of the strong opinion they share more similarities than not.
But a lot of Guzzi owners feel the need to return the BS elitism that is put forth by so many Harley owners and don't want to hear that.
In my garage i have both brands , guzzi and HD
what i meant to say is that Guzzi DOES NOT have to dress up like Harley to sell motorcycles !
The V7 sport its' a nice bike of his own , does not looks like a hd sportster.
The california bikes are bikes of their own , they do not look like HD touring .
That particular california with 21 inches front wheel and hard bags similar to the hd baggers looks too much like a harley not like a guzzi.
Do you understand what i see/mean ?
ciao !
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New official site for V7 customization.
http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/
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Oh My!
That red Eldorado 1400 is lovely!
When are they coming to this side of the pond?
G
PS That black Victory Vision copy is horrible. Hopefully it's a one off. Sheesh.
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New official site for V7 customization.
http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/
Nice kits! I think they will sell a lot of bits and pieces. I guess for those wishing for a scrambler, this will have to do.
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Wait, are the Eldo and Audace being released for real or are these concepts?
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Hi all,
Here are more pictures taken today.
The new Audace. Translates to "Audacious."
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0080.jpg)
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A customized, carbon fiber Audace:
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0083.jpg)
http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0084.jpg
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0085.jpg)
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0086.jpg)
Eldorado:
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0087.jpg)
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0088.jpg)
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(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0091.jpg)
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Eldorado:
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0087.jpg)
I like everything about it, except.........(here we go again), the riding position looks all wrong. (edit) ....and the useless pillion.
Nick
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Wait, are the Eldo and Audace being released for real or are these concepts?
From what I hear, these are 2015 models, not concepts.
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The 1400 should now have its engine rotated 4° forward to match the V7 II family. ;)
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Well I'm diggin' the Audace.
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Not sure the Eldo is my cup of tea exactly, but I suspect a lot of the Red spenders crowd, as well as those who just like classically styled standards and cruisers are going to have a hard time holding on to their wallets.
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I like the Eldorado 1400 ;-T Something about seeing the script Eldorado speaks to me. Now, if it comes in red..... :drool
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I like everything about it, except.........(here we go again), the riding position looks all wrong. (edit) ....and the useless pillion.
Nick
I'll be honest its ugly beyond words, then again I think the same of the eldo although I'm not a cruiser buyer. While I'm having a whine can someone explain the appeal of matt gunge green on anything that isn't in military service or has been? No Le-mans/MGS-02 bugger!
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I like them all. I think it's nice to see the same model sooo different. If they bring them over, I hope they sell bunches.
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it is way beautiful with its 18" wheels and standard tail light style.
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Rumba,
I think the article has it backwards. The red Eldo 14 sure looks like its got 16-inch wire wheels, to me.
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(http://seaofcheese.forumcircle.com/forumdata/data60/seaofcheese/files/thumbs/t_1920081_10152841188053656_8501713303370424507_n_137.jpg)
Hello!
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No Le-mans/MGS-02 bugger!
bingo !!
Miguel "Gallucci" while presenting the new cali 1400 said that moto guzzi is not racing, its cruising... its for fun.
I was literally shocked.( maybe he should have read this link and see what is the moto guzzi heritage.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_Guzzi
Time goes by and , well , i dont see any attempt to make a sporty motorcycle... nothing... zero, nada...
In Mandello if they want , they can.
But i guess, they don't want.
I keep hoping, off course....
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bingo !!
Miguel "Gallucci" while presenting the new cali 1400 said that moto guzzi is not racing, its cruising... its for fun.
I was literally shocked.( maybe he should have read this link and see what is the moto guzzi heritage.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_Guzzi
Time goes by and , well , i dont see any attempt to make a sporty motorcycle... nothing... zero, nada...
In Mandello if they want , they can.
But i guess, they don't want.
I keep hoping, off course....
Yeah, that is sad to hear. I hope he is just hiding the secret bike in the works... too well... ;)
I still like the new V7 stuff, but instead of seeing anything sporty yet we see that Harley/Victory-esque ugly cruiser 1400? Yuck. ;)
Though I don't mind them offering those things for other buyers... but it will likely never be on my radar.
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sorry i don't know how to post pic, if someone can help ....to post it
this is custom made by millepercento .
http://s849.photobucket.com/user/arveno1/media/bikes/10805816_905204486158052_4902438624307388563_n_zpsccd565ff.jpg.html?filters[user]=110374497&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0
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sorry i don't know how to post pic, if someone can help ....to post it
this is custom made by millepercento .
http://s849.photobucket.com/user/arveno1/media/bikes/10805816_905204486158052_4902438624307388563_n_zpsccd565ff.jpg.html?filters[user]=110374497&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0
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Article up at Motorcycle Daily: New Moto Guzzi Eldorado Takes the Stage in Milan
Lots of pics.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2014/11/new-moto-guzzi-eldorado-takes-the-stage-at-milan/
Love the Cycle World quote: “If Roman gods had ridden motorcycles, the Moto Guzzi Eldorado would have been chosen by Bacchus.” :D
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Eldo-bottom-730x608_zps0d622b63.jpg)
More normal looking rear end ;-T - the turn signals look a little low.
I would pick this over the big twin Triumph thingy!
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Article up at Motorcycle Daily: New Moto Guzzi Eldorado Takes the Stage in Milan
Lots of pics.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2014/11/new-moto-guzzi-eldorado-takes-the-stage-at-milan/
Love the Cycle World quote: “If Roman gods had ridden motorcycles, the Moto Guzzi Eldorado would have been chosen by Bacchus.” :D
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Eldo-bottom-730x608_zps0d622b63.jpg)
More normal looking rear end ;-T - the turn signals look a little low.
I would pick this over the big twin Triumph thingy!
There we go! I do like it.
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Article up at Motorcycle Daily: New Moto Guzzi Eldorado Takes the Stage in Milan
Lots of pics.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2014/11/new-moto-guzzi-eldorado-takes-the-stage-at-milan/
Love the Cycle World quote: “If Roman gods had ridden motorcycles, the Moto Guzzi Eldorado would have been chosen by Bacchus.” :D
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Eldo-bottom-730x608_zps0d622b63.jpg)
More normal looking rear end ;-T - the turn signals look a little low.
I would pick this over the big twin Triumph thingy!
I like it. Well, except for the seat and the black fenders. What's the deal with Guzzi and black fenders the past few years?
I'd like to see the red tank with the gray fenders. Nice combination.
The seat looks funky, but that could be fixed with a Corbin, if it will fit the Eldo's new fender.
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And going in the opposite direction is that MGX-21 bobber.....
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/moto_guzzi_mgx-21_1_zps15ddc6f2.jpg)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/moto_guzzi_mgx-21_2_zps905f9a61.jpg)
Look! Separate instrument pods!
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/eicma-2014-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-concept.html
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More pics from the show...
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/hot-girl-of-the-2014-eicma-milan-bike-show-live-photos-88517.html#agal_93
(#116 show girl is my favorite! :-* )
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And going in the opposite direction is that MGX-21 bobber.....
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/moto_guzzi_mgx-21_1_zps15ddc6f2.jpg)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/moto_guzzi_mgx-21_2_zps905f9a61.jpg)
Look! Separate instrument pods!
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/eicma-2014-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-concept.html
I really like the Eldo and the new colors for the Calis. The V7s are just pretty no matter what you do to them. But this. Uh. Future star of Guns of Malarchy?
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Ahh, ok, now that I have some time to digest this and reply.
I have to say that I'd honestly written off the Cali 1400 because of a combination of odd styling, large size, and definite lack of trust of the electronics between Jay's suffering through the dash problems on my old B11 and of course Charlie getting stranded in the first 100 miles on his.
That said, the Breva dash thing seems limited to those years and the Charlie demand sensor failure seems to be pretty isolated, plus you only live once and WTH.
So if I could blend two of these bikes I think I'd have my pick of next new motorcycle:
Gimmie basically this Eldo (LOVE the fenders, striping, more classic look/lines):
Eldorado:
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0087.jpg)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Eldo-bottom-730x608_zps0d622b63.jpg)
BUT I DON'T want the wire wheels or white walls.
Gimmie the black exhaust, black wheels and TRADITIONAL HEADLIGHT of this and I'm seriously starting to think about a deposit (and forgetting about the Scout):
A 1400 "Vaudace"with a normal headlight! Yay! ;-T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCwJwlEfYo
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/001_zps8c6a25bb.jpg)
Now Arv, I'm not looking to pick a fight buddy... BUT (you knew there was gonna be a "butt" in this :BEER:)
what i meant to say is that Guzzi DOES NOT have to dress up like Harley to sell motorcycles !
The V7 sport its' a nice bike of his own , does not looks like a hd sportster.
The california bikes are bikes of their own , they do not look like HD touring .
That particular california with 21 inches front wheel and hard bags similar to the hd baggers looks too much like a harley not like a guzzi.
Do you understand what i see/mean ?
ciao !
If that's what you MEANT to say, you did a lousy job of it :P ;)
No I hear you and honestly I agree more than I don't.
EXCEPT that although that fairing/bagger thing is NOT my cup o' Java either, I don't think it is a bad idea if they ape some of that cruiser style.
Baggers are IT now in that world.
Baggers are Harley's #1 sales leading model and have been for more than a decade now. By the end of this year Harley will have sold more than 1.6 MILLION touring models since 1986, and they are currently moving them at a rate of greater than 100,000/year.
The Street Glide is arguably the particular version of their touring models that is hottest.
So although I personally don't really care for that version, I GET IT and I don't begrudge them from making it.
And I understand why the sporting guys are feeling left out/let down right now.
But since I'm more a classic/cruiser type of guy, I'm gonna go on feeling relatively good about these efforts.
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The exhaust tips are attractive too! :D
Yes; I like looking at tips, too! :o
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I too have written off the Cali 14 as something I'm interested in, but DAMN that Eldo is gorgeous!!
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Wow, I REALLY like that Eldorado in red.
(http://www.motoguzzi.it/mediaObject/motoguzzi-restyling/notizie/Eicma2014/ecimaz4/original/ecimaz4.jpg)
Except instead of the black leather bag set shown, I'd like it with this kind of tour pack (Wixom?):
(http://astraone.com/wp-content/uploads/moto-guzzi-ambassador-moto-guzzi-eldorado-midamerica-auctions-79397-900x675.jpg)
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For as many reasons as I don't like that concept, there are a few things I like about it...and most importantly I love to see that Guzzi is at least playing around with their look instead of churning out different color schemes. It's refreshing to see them try new stuff.
....now if they'd apply that to a LeMans type model and play around with the 1000-1200 block a little more that'd be cool. ;D
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And going in the opposite direction is that MGX-21 bobber.....
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/moto_guzzi_mgx-21_1_zps15ddc6f2.jpg)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/moto_guzzi_mgx-21_2_zps905f9a61.jpg)
Look! Separate instrument pods!
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/eicma-2014-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-concept.html
Have they hired a designer away from Victory?
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Have they hired a designer away from Victory?
Actually, for what it *is* I think the styling is very good. Except for that plate on the side. WTH is that all about??
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Actually, for what it *is* I think the styling is very good. Except for that plate on the side. WTH is that all about??
Heat shield. Looks like they went with true forward controls and the header is right there.
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Heat shield. Looks like they went with true forward controls and the header is right there.
I'm underwhelmed with the looks of that..
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Aside from the wasp butt (hello Piaggio), for what it is it's pretty cool. People would buy that. *Americans* would buy that.
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I'm underwhelmed with the looks of that..
Me, too. But I am excited that we're seeing some "test-the-limits" kind of thinking and design work from Moto Guzzi.
Rock on, Raquel!
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Hey Kev M .
Its all good :) we are just having a conversation ..... i am not upset or anything, and i know you are not picking a "fight buddy" .
It will be a boring world if everyone will always agree LOL
Going back to the topic " guzzi bagger " on second thought its not that bad....but i don't understand why they did not put a passenger seat and a set of hard bags ?
I think this bike may just be an "exercise" to get feedback and evaluate if it may have a future or not.
And yes, forward controls suck , i would just leave the peg same as the Audace model. but thats just my personal taste.
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Arv, I'm with you on the Audace model 8) though that ELDO has some nice features!
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....now the question is :
When will these beauty "land " in the USA ?
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Hey Kev M .
Its all good :) we are just having a conversation ..... i am not upset or anything, and i know you are not picking a "fight buddy" .
It will be a boring world if everyone will always agree LOL
Going back to the topic " guzzi bagger " on second thought its not that bad....but i don't understand why they did not put a passenger seat and a set of hard bags ?
I think this bike may just be an "exercise" to get feedback and evaluate if it may have a future or not.
And yes, forward controls suck , i would just leave the peg same as the Audace model. but thats just my personal taste.
It's a styling exercise that takes the lines of the fuel tank and continues them back through the rear fender.
As a styling exercise, I like that point.
On the other hand, the fairing is horrible.
One of the things that makes HD successful is the endless customizing opportunities available. If Guzzi could tap into some of that, then they would have something.
Not my thing, but some thing...
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One of the things that makes HD successful is the endless customizing opportunities available. If Guzzi could tap into some of that, then they would have something.
It looks like they are starting down the accessory road with the V7 lineup.
http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/ (http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/)
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Long interview (in Italian) with Romano Albesiano (Aprilia Racing Manager) and Andrea Maria Benedetto (Piaggio Product Development Manager). The second, from 14:26, announces for Moto Guzzi an intermediate displacement engine, between the 750 and the 1200-1400, for 2015.
The MGX-21 is a showbike, but it anticipates a real new model that will be presented in 2015.
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Long interview (in Italian) with Romano Albesiano (Aprilia Racing Manager) and Andrea Maria Benedetto (Piaggio Product Development Manager). The second, from 14:26, announces for Moto Guzzi an intermediate displacement engine, between the 750 and the 1200-1400, for 2015.
The MGX-21 is a showbike, but it anticipates a real new model that will be presented in 2015.
C'mon Baby Stelvio!!!!!!!
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C'mon Baby Stelvio!!!!!!!
Come on 936cc 8v big block engine! :drool
(but will probably be an 820cc small block) :(
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More V7 pics pls... ;-T
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Love the new Eldo, and am impressed with the "bagged" concept. They needed to be a little more forward thinking with the design, though. As it stands, the DOT equipment they'll have to tack on the production version is gonna kill this look. So will putting real bags and an appropriate passenger seat. But I like the spirit of it! Bravo!
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(but will probably be an 820cc small block) :(
I think you're right. It will give the V7II a bit more hp and provide an engine for a new V7 Scrambler and hopefully a mini Stelvio. That's most likely why MG repositioned the current engine in the new V7II frame, to make the new mid-size engine a drop-in.
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Oh, sorry, forgot the link.
http://www.motociclismo.it/motociclismo-web-tv-chiedi-quello-che-vuoi-su-ktm-risponde-romano-albesiano-moto-60225
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Personally I like them both.
I think the street glide take might just draw in some folks from the HD side of things.. they have cash people.. MG is in the business of selling bikes.
My feelings on that is: as long as they don't push the whole line up in that direction that's fine with me.
Bring in the customers.. keep MG alive.
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Brief interview with Miguel Galluzzi Nov 05 .....
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.gazzetta.it/Passione-Motori/Moto/05-11-2014/moto-guzzi-eicma-miguel-galluzzi-audace-eldorado-mgx21-gruppo-piaggio-aprilia-90948355153.shtml&usg=ALkJrhgfLmTHEJe-r3CsquVZ5VI1wFqsMg
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Brief interview with Miguel Galluzzi Nov 05 .....
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.gazzetta.it/Passione-Motori/Moto/05-11-2014/moto-guzzi-eicma-miguel-galluzzi-audace-eldorado-mgx21-gruppo-piaggio-aprilia-90948355153.shtml&usg=ALkJrhgfLmTHEJe-r3CsquVZ5VI1wFqsMg
Southeast Asia is a major industrial and stylistic challenge
Hey, that's my turf!
What does it suppose to mean? ::)
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I like the new Eldo.
They had a cruiser V7 in the works but (thankfully?) that didn't make it to EICMA.
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I like the new Eldo.
They had a cruiser V7 in the works but (thankfully?) that didn't make it to EICMA.
Are you sure it wasn't just a Nevada? They still make those for non-USA markets.
I'm guessing that the Nevada, like the Norge, just isn't new/exciting enough to show at EICMA.
I wonder how much the V7 addons will cost.
-Joe
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Brief interview with Miguel Galluzzi Nov 05 .....
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.gazzetta.it/Passione-Motori/Moto/05-11-2014/moto-guzzi-eicma-miguel-galluzzi-audace-eldorado-mgx21-gruppo-piaggio-aprilia-90948355153.shtml&usg=ALkJrhgfLmTHEJe-r3CsquVZ5VI1wFqsMg
INTERESTING - so the Audace and Eldo ARE models, but the bagger/bobber is a concept. ;-T
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which version of the Cali has the big passenger backrest? I couldn't tell if that one had the led taillights or the single trailer light.
Do you think we'll get a full-fairing version soon?
I can do without the whitewalls.
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Hey, that's my turf!
What does it suppose to mean? ::)
I'd imagine it means the modern Asian markets differ in taste drastically from the US market (and probably the Euro market) and they're challenged to try and cover both considering their small output.
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I have to say I don't find any of the offerings particularly inspiring but I'm not a 'Cruiser' person and I do find things like the 'Scrambler' stomach churningly twee. I was really hoping we'd get at least a glimpse of a new 'Sports' bike but no such luck. Perhaps that's being held back till next year when the Griso gets retired? Who knows? It's going to be hard to put ABS on the Griso. There simply isn't anywhere for the pump!
Pete
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I have to say I don't find any of the offerings particularly inspiring but I'm not a 'Cruiser' person
Pete
I'm not a cruiser person either, yet. I'm 55 years old and feel I can still muscle around my 2012 Stelvio NTX for another 5-7 years even though I can barely reach the ground. I'm going to someday get to the point where I won't have the strength or desire to keep doing that. I currently do enjoy a more "sporting" ride every now and then and the Stelvio sure delivers when I want it to. I love the new Eldorado. I like the looks, ABS and modern technology it offers. I can see adding a new Eldorado in a year or two to have as my "last" bike.
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Not sure if anyone posted this, but there are sure some pretty good looking motorcycles here.
http://www.gizmag.com/eicma-2014-motorcycle-roundup-highlights-photos/34608/pictures#01
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Are you sure it wasn't just a Nevada? They still make those for non-USA markets.
I'm guessing that the Nevada, like the Norge, just isn't new/exciting enough to show at EICMA.
I wonder how much the V7 addons will cost.
-Joe
No, that's the sad part about it. You'd think that the Nevada taught them a lesson.
Maybe it was a hot seller in Europe....
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No, that's the sad part about it. You'd think that the Nevada taught them a lesson.
Maybe it was a hot seller in Europe....
I don't know why, but that made me laugh. ;D
*Sigh*
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Who knows? It's going to be hard to put ABS on the Griso. There simply isn't anywhere for the pump!
They can just do what BMW does, and remove fuel capacity.
They did that to add the damned evap canister on my F650GS. The US version got 1.5 litres less fuel capacity than the rest of the world bike.
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Not sure if anyone posted this, but there are sure some pretty good looking motorcycles here.
http://www.gizmag.com/eicma-2014-motorcycle-roundup-highlights-photos/34608/pictures#01
love that Tuono. The half fairing looks much better than the half naked look.
Honda has a V4 sportbike based on the Moto GP bike and Rossi helped redesign the new Yammie.
I'd still like to know what the new California bike has the passenger backrest.
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I'd still like to know what the new California bike has the passenger backrest.
I believe that was an accessoried ELDO.
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(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0043.jpg)
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r456/pammendolia/EICMA%202014/IMG_0041.jpg)
Low, you mean this one?
Look at the rear fender/tail light.
New ELDO.
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I'd imagine it means the modern Asian markets differ in taste drastically from the US market (and probably the Euro market) and they're challenged to try and cover both considering their small output.
Most of the people at this part of the world are brand conscious. To spend the same (big) amount of money on a motorcycle for leisure purposes, they want instant recognition by riders and non-riders.
I don't think a twist in the styling will make much difference to the sales figure for this region. Those who love guzzi will buy no matter how odd is the styling, we have Centauros here and the owners love them :BEER:
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I have to say I don't find any of the offerings particularly inspiring but I'm not a 'Cruiser' person and I do find things like the 'Scrambler' stomach churningly twee. I was really hoping we'd get at least a glimpse of a new 'Sports' bike but no such luck. Perhaps that's being held back till next year when the Griso gets retired? Who knows? It's going to be hard to put ABS on the Griso. There simply isn't anywhere for the pump!
Pete
They can just do what BMW does, and remove fuel capacity.
They did that to add the damned evap canister on my F650GS. The US version got 1.5 litres less fuel capacity than the rest of the world bike.
Or perhaps they could add ABS only to the European (and other?) markets in which it is required, using the space under the transmission where the U.S.-mandated evap canister goes. (The European models still don't fit a canister.) Assuming the pump is not bigger than an evap canister, that is.
Moto
P.S. I agree w/ Pete about the new megacruisers and the scrambler too.
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So with a summer '15 release, I already e-mailed the dealer in Utah for more info and prices as soon as their available...That red Eldo is mine! ;-T
Dave
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So with a summer '15 release, I already e-mailed the dealer in Utah for more info and prices as soon as their available...That red Eldo is mine! ;-T
Dave
I want one too. Fall of 2015 for me.
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I want one too. Fall of 2015 for me.
Assuming we get them by then. ::)
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That desert sand camo is cool..
[/quoteIsn't I think they made an attempt to make it look like the so called "Falcone Sahara"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5AlIGZA_1o
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[/quoteIsn't I think they made an attempt to make it look like the so called "Falcone Sahara"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5AlIGZA_1o
Interesting to see comments about the new bike looking like a Sahara.
Well, I think we Falconers are making progress when even a few people actually know what a Nuovo Falcone Sahara IS!
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Interesting to see comments about the new bike looking like a Sahara.
Well, I think we Falconers are making progress when even a few people actually know what a Nuovo Falcone Sahara IS!
If we use to call the R80G/S and the XT 500 "the mothers off all all roads" we should name the Sahara the grandmother! If only she was not that heavy.
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If we use to call the R80G/S and the XT 500 "the mothers off all all roads" we should name the Sahara the grandmother!
So what's is the Alce 500?
(http://media.motoblog.it/m/mot/moto-militari-la-moto-guzzi-500-alce-del-regio-esercito/moto-guzzi-alce-bersaglieri.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8321/7962684804_da34a28de7.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5180/5466298686_4ababc9e54_b.jpg)
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So what's is the Alce 500?
(http://media.motoblog.it/m/mot/moto-militari-la-moto-guzzi-500-alce-del-regio-esercito/moto-guzzi-alce-bersaglieri.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8321/7962684804_da34a28de7.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5180/5466298686_4ababc9e54_b.jpg)
Old?
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This view gives a good idea of what the designer (Galluzzi, I suppose) was trying to do with the lines. Repeat the tank seams back along the rear fender. The side panels of the tank and fender appear to be carbon. Or, at least they have that type of pattern. Notice the thin LED lights.
I like the lines of of the tank and fender, but still think the fairing is a huge fail. Why he didn't continue the lines of the tank forward into the fairing is beyond me. The fairing looks like something off a toy Bat Cycle, or something...
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1796591_10203130868328219_8530896296254925974_n.jpg?oh=bfca6a997fe999638b3e06f9d329a9bb&oe=552026B0)
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How much longer will we be subject to flat paint. Yuk. I predict it will be as popular as spinner wheels in a couple more years.
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Was that it?
Eldo and Audace versions of the Cal 14, and a catalog of accessories for the V7 Classic line?
I was really expecting to see Guzzi roll out a hot rod small block engine for the V7 II, and/or a "mid-size" retro standard based on the Bellagio chassis.
So, the company has no standard-ish bike between the 400 lbs V7 and the 700+ lbs Cal 14.
Gaping hole, if you ask me...
:-\
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You can see by putting the 1400 and the V7 side by side and, yes there is a need for something right between!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/motivate-pics-16-3_zpsc9afeb4a.jpg)
:BEER:
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Unless my eyes deceive me, it looks like they stepped backwards again and put TUBED spoked wheels on that new Eldo. Wouldn't be the first time.
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I was really expecting to see Guzzi roll out a hot rod small block engine for the V7 II, and/or a "mid-size" retro standard based on the Bellagio chassis.
So, the company has no standard-ish bike between the 400 lbs V7 and the 700+ lbs Cal 14.
Gaping hole, if you ask me...
:-\
I don't disagree, but they just announced the V7 II so I wouldn't have expected any further news on that platform for at least another year.
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Galuzzi said in a recent interview that the v7 line will get something special each year. This year he said would be the new trams, next year is up to your imagination. Why are you guys surprised?
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Who other than the eternal optimist Rocker was surprised? ;)
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Was that it?
Eldo and Audace versions of the Cal 14, and a catalog of accessories for the V7 Classic line?
I was really expecting to see Guzzi roll out a hot rod small block engine for the V7 II, and/or a "mid-size" retro standard based on the Bellagio chassis.
So, the company has no standard-ish bike between the 400 lbs V7 and the 700+ lbs Cal 14.
Gaping hole, if you ask me...
:-\
It's not a standard per se but I have said before on here that I certainly wish they would have made a 1200 8V Cali. But yeah, I can see how that wouldn't jive with the 1400 too.
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Galuzzi said in a recent interview that the v7 line will get something special each year. This year he said would be the new trams, next year is up to your imagination. Why are you guys surprised?
I guess I wasn't expecting the two new Cal 14 variants, Eldorado and Audace. And, I actually kind of like them both. Nice (re)styling jobs by Galluzzi and his team...
I also had a strange feeling that, since INTERMOT saw the announcement of the V7 II's transmission and frame changes, EICMA would see the announcement of an upgraded small block engine... I had no idea they would present such a large catalog of custom parts for the bikes...
So, we got two things I didn't expect. And, we didn't get the somethings I sort of expected: A standard based on the Bellagio chassis and/or a sporty bike.
Oh, well. I've got the money in the bank and will just sit on it until next year sometime. Hopefully something will come along that will light my fire.
Right now nothing really quite does that.
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Except the Stelvio,Griso and the red Eldo. I want all three.
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Except the Stelvio,Griso and the red Eldo. I want all three.
This + a v7 stone. I'll be good.
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Except the Stelvio,Griso and the red Eldo. I want all three.
You know, the Griso SE really is cool. The new black/red combo looks hot! Except for one glaring deficiency I'd be all over it, but I cannot be happy with the 4.4 gallon fuel tank. Just not enough range for the type of all-around riding I'm wanting from a sporty standard motorcycle. If the fuel tank was 6.4 gallons, I'd be all over it.
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You know, the Griso SE really is cool. The new black/red combo looks hot! Except for one glaring deficiency I'd be all over it, but I cannot be happy with the 4.4 gallon fuel tank. Just not enough range for the type of all-around riding I'm wanting from a sporty standard motorcycle. If the fuel tank was 6.4 gallons, I'd be all over it.
When I'm on a trip, I stop about every 2 hours anyway. <shrug> Gotta keep the circulation in you legs, ya know.. ;D
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Yeah, but I just hate making every stop a fuel stop. There are things I don't like about the Stelvio, but fuel capacity/range trumps them.
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See 'Wingeing Sooks' thread. 320km=200 miles. Really Mike, it's not that big an issue. :winer
Pete
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See 'Wingeing Sooks' thread. 320km=200 miles. Really Mike, it's not that big an issue. :winer
Pete
:BEER:
Not to start an 8V fuel economy argument, but....
You seem to be saying that people are seeing returns of 45 - 50mpg on Griso SEs ?
I really don't believe that.
I've owned two Guzzis that can do that. A V7 Classic and my carb'd Sport 1100 with Keihin FCR41 carbs.
Everything else has been 30s, including the Sport 1100 when it had Dellortos.
And, every thread I recall reading indicates 8v fuel economies in the 30s.
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Styling wise, what would a nice looking number or icon look like for the new engine displacement?
I am assuming it will have a capacity that puts it the market segment for the sub 900cc Triumph twins and Ducs.
V9? Carlo? Casanova? ;D
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:BEER:
Not to start an 8V fuel economy argument, but....
You seem to be saying that people are seeing returns of 45 - 50mpg on Griso SEs ?
I really don't believe that.
I've owned two Guzzis that can do that. A V7 Classic and my carb'd Sport 1100 with Keihin FCR41 carbs.
Everything else has been 30s, including the Sport 1100 when it had Dellortos.
And, every thread I recall reading indicates 8v fuel economies in the 30s.
Pete is running one of Mark's (Beetle's) modified maps. I have yet to try one (plan to) but everything I've read points to improved fuel economy. I'm looking forward to it, just need to get the cable and such.
Eric
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:BEER:
Not to start an 8V fuel economy argument, but....
You seem to be saying that people are seeing returns of 45 - 50mpg on Griso SEs ?
I really don't believe that.
But that's what I got yesterday Mike. 80 mph freeway and five miles of stop/start in godawful Sydney traffic. Ambient temp of about 70*F. I really have no reason to make stuff like that up! :D if I'd been travelling slightly slower I might of got it up another couple of mpg but I really wasn't aiming for economy per-se, just wanting to get into and out of the Stinking Wen as quickly as possible without getting an 'Encouragement Award' from a tax inspector.
And yes, I'm running Mark's map for the Mistral Hi-Pipe with a dB killer fitted. Performance is just like being attached to the horizon by a very strong rubber band!
Pete
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I got 45mpg on several tanks on my Griso, using the last two maps. It ran much better than stock, no flat spots and good pull too. I get about 43 -+ on the 1190.
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http://ca.autoblog.com/photos/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-prototype-1/#photo-3097531/
Looks like it was influenced by some of Arlen Ness's designs with some additional input from batman.
Rich A
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I'll pass on the Bike but the two Girls sure look good! ;-T
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Looks like a Guzzi copy of the Honda F6B. it may be what brings the younger crowd in though.
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I may have missed it before, but when did Guzzi start putting the ® mark next to the logo? I went back to the MG web page and only the recent stuff has it. They used to be casual about that sort of thing and never bothered.
(http://www.dankalal.net/wildgoose/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-prototype-07-1.jpg)
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Ugly bike -in my opinion.
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The exhaust looks to slope down ward. I think it would look cleaner straight back parallel with ground. I don't like the red on it either. Make it polished or all black. Then replace the front wheel with one that is not solid and shapeless. Last the big whatever they are by the foot controls need to go. I would rather see linkages and such than what ever those things are. The rest I kind of like.
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Maybe it is a prop for a new Mad Max movie?
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Yet another reason for me to look backward instead of forward at bikes.
Kevin
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God I hope this is not the direction for future Guzzis. Would be hard for me to imagine anything less appealing.
P.S. What in the hell are those plates down by the foot controls? Do they have a purpose other than making it even uglier?
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Ugly bike -in my opinion.
:+1
It's a 2 bagger!
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:+1
It's a 2 bagger!
Bagger? Those look like fender skirts to me.
I've not seen any pix showing the "lids" open...
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(http://schmoesknow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/soa.png)
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;-T ;-T
I'll pass on the Bike but the two Girls sure look good! ;-T
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Looks an awful lot like it was inspired by the Honda F6B https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=honda+f6b&qpvt=honda+f6b&FORM=IGRE (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=honda+f6b&qpvt=honda+f6b&FORM=IGRE)
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Looks an awful lot like it was inspired by the Honda F6B https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=honda+f6b&qpvt=honda+f6b&FORM=IGRE (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=honda+f6b&qpvt=honda+f6b&FORM=IGRE)
I don't see it. The Honda has a frame mounted fairing and an arse that's a mile wide.
The MGX-21 has a fork mounted fairing and a slim rear treatment.
if anything, it's a streamlined stalker of the Road Glide.
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I understand that, like any other manufacturer, Guzzi needs to respond to market demands in order to sell bikes and prosper. I am an avid fan of our beloved brand and have supported it by buying several new models over the past years, as well as preserving a couple of old ones. However, if this prototype embodied the direction that Piaggio was going to take for the bulk of its production, personally I would find it very sad and unfortunate. In this prototype, Guzzi, in my opinion, nearly abandoned its roots and left nary a hint of Italian style or European sensibility in general -- the qualities I adore about my Guzzis, aside from them being a sublime, soulful, and reliable, riding machine, of course.
Does Guzzi/Piaggio truly need to turn to mimicking another well-known make's strong points in order to sell more and prosper? Does it need to capture that audience at all? I don't know... Maybe... Personally, I think it's unfortunate if so, and it has nothing to do with bashing any other brand; rather preserving the unique qualities of the GUZZI brand... Moving along with the times and bringing about technical improvements does not have to be done at the cost of losing the classic elements -- or does it? Do we love Guzzis for the elements -- of style or functionality -- that are antiquated and cannot be brought into the modern age? I don't think so, and to me the recent model lineup -- and its obvious success -- is the best manifestation of that. One would think they could capitalize on the success of the current lineup by bringing about functional improvements to the current models that the owners (and all the people that would be owners) are wishing for, and not just changing the paint scheme... And as far as styling -- good taste is timeless.
Yes, I think it's un-Guzzi and emanates the styling cues more fitting to a Central CA hotrod rather than an Italian motorcycle made in Mandello del Lario. Rant over :)
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Yes, I think it's un-Guzzi and emanates the styling cues more fitting to a Central CA hotrod rather than an Italian motorcycle made in Mandello del Lario. Rant over Smiley
Uh.. me, too. If that is the future of Guzzi, then I *am* one of the problems. ;D
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Man I just keep seeing the title MGX-21 and think wow, finally they put the 1400 into something like a sport bike only to have the sight of a new species of whale.
bring on a new MSG-01
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I don't understand why anyone is worried about this.
You don't think that they'll actually build it and sell it do you?
C'mon - really... Do ya? It's a concept bike.
Remember those weird Terblanche things from a few years ago? We're not riding them are we?
As a concept goes - I like it. I like the red heads. I like the red calipers. I would get rid of the red tip on the fender.
I think that more than anything, it serves to make non Guzzzi riders take notice of the brand and start to consider it in a different light.
Just my opinion...
Eric
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Ginger or Mary Anne? Was there a bike in the picture?
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Yes, I think it's un-Guzzi and emanates the styling cues more fitting to a Central CA hotrod rather than an Italian motorcycle made in Mandello del Lario. Rant over :)
Uhh, didn't MG open a design/R&D studio in CA?
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Merged the MGX-21 thread into the EICMA thread since it had already been discussed at length.
Anyway... Show me the bags on this so-called "bagger"... ???
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1796591_10203130868328219_8530896296254925974_n.jpg?oh=bfca6a997fe999638b3e06f9d329a9bb&oe=552026B0)
And please, let's dispense with the F6B comparisons:
(http://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2013-Honda-Gold-Wing-F6B-RR.jpg)
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I don't understand why anyone is worried about this.
You don't think that they'll actually build it and sell it do you?
C'mon - really... Do ya? It's a concept bike.
Remember those weird Terblanche things from a few years ago? We're not riding them are we?
As a concept goes - I like it. I like the red heads. I like the red calipers. I would get rid of the red tip on the fender.
I think that more than anything, it serves to make non Guzzzi riders take notice of the brand and start to consider it in a different light.
Just my opinion...
Eric
Yup, this.. Though even if they did build it, hell it wouldn't effect the Griso or Stelvio.
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Anyway... Show me the bags on this so-called "bagger"... Huh
I believe that the poster was referencing, "she's so ugly she'd have to have two bags over her head.." <whistling> when mentioning it was a two bagger.
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if anything, it's a streamlined stalker of the Road Glide.
But, the RG is a shark is it not? I'm trying to learn the HDs, since some of my old riding buddies are testing the HD waters.
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as someone that's had his eye on the 1400 since it was introduced, I think a frame mount fairing and full boat touring model would be a plus. This bike isn't a tourer but it might hint that a touring faring is in the works and the rest is a styling exercise or hints of new custom.
Bottlomline, it takes nothing away from the other 1400s by offering this ugly duckling.
My interest would be a 1400 tourer with standard riding position. If a frame fairing and passenger backrest improves the package that would be great.
I am not too found of whitewalls, extra chrome and deletion of the LED tail lights for a trailer light any more than darth vader's motorcycle. I would like to see a sporty motorcycle that I would be comfortable heading two up for a long trip. The Cal Touring is close but could use just a few tweaks, riding position being one, a full faring is another.
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Oh, Guzzi, what have you done? ???
MGX-21 (http://bit.ly/1xYvSVf)
"Going out of business since 1923..."
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1923?
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1923?
1922 ;D
Dusty
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And the countdown begins
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1923?
Well, maybe they decided to really mean it (going out of business) in 1923...
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That's quite a riding history Dan, you have made some wonderful memories for yourself, I hope you make many more! I enjoyed your little documentary.
That black thing, just my opinion but YUCK! never cared for anything styled by Arlen Ness. But I hope they sell a shitload of them if that's what everybody else likes. Frankly, when Guzzi and Arlen were mentioned together, I just about barfed.
John S.
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1921
If you're going to do it, why not overdo it!
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That thing is fugly! I hate the tall front wheel style that seems to be the rage amongst all of those rugged individuals that like to dress alike and ride in packs to Hooters.
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Wow--not in a good way.
Rich A
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Glad it's only a concept.
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wow, that is ugly
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It's a concept bike, you guys understand that, surly. How many concepts both auto and bike have you see reach the market, just as they were in concept?
21", please, total fad, but, if your Piaggio, and by extension Guzzi, don't you want to sell more bikes?
Maybe they make something like it, maybe not, but I suggest you don't wet your panties just yet, they are still going to make old man bikes for the lot of you!
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They can build as many as they want to I don't care, I hope they sell a million of 'em!
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The girls are pretty. :-*
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It will sell easily. Probably not to us, but to someone without our baggage. Jeez, 21 front wheel ness bagger crosed with soa front fairing. Smokes the now look hipsters poles for sure. :winer
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That makes my eyes hurt and my stomach churn.
It may be a concept but usually a concept model is a sign of thinks to come...... jeeeez it's ugy.
Paul
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Big time butt ugly. But if it will help them stay in business, I hope they sell like Mustangs did in '65.
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To go after more sells I hope that come out with a 1400 that has, or as a option a nice fairing with radio ect. The American market would eat it up. Personally I enjoy the sweet sound a proper exhaust makes.
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That makes my eyes hurt and my stomach churn.
It may be a concept but usually a concept model is a sign of thinks to come...... jeeeez it's ugy.
Paul
That's Galuzzi standing beside it. The same one who promised us a model with standard foot pegs when the 1400 came out. How things change, and how they stay the same.
Big time butt ugly. But if it will help them stay in business, I hope they sell like Mustangs did in '65.
They can build as many as they want to I don't care, I hope they sell a million of 'em!
To go after more sells I hope that come out with a 1400 that has, or as a option a nice fairing with radio ect. The American market would eat it up. Personally I enjoy the sweet sound a proper exhaust makes.
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I don't believe you. Show me the quote where Galuzzi said there would be a 1400 w/ standard foot pegs when the 1400 came out.
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I'm not into cruisers but I like that :-*
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I had an enduro with a 21" front wheel. It made it easier to climb over logs.
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Cruisers aren't my thing - but Geez, I've seen bucketloads that are fuglier than the MGX-21!
Kurt
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Naw, not for me.
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Gee wonder what market that's aimed at.
Ciao
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a tribute to Arlen Ness perhaps?
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Interview with Galuzzi - talking about the concept:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzD47GSCRuM
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I hear they are also doing a green tank limited model.
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tail end looks like it came direct from a Samsonite factory...
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Cal 14 meets Victory Vision.
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Oh, Guzzi, what have you done? ???
MGX-21 (http://bit.ly/1xYvSVf)
"Going out of business since 1923..."
Merged into the EICMA 2014 threadfest, since the MGX-21 was discussed at length there...
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Bitchfest :D
Dusty
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I hear they are also doing a green tank limited model.
... red frame?? ~;
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... red frame?? ~;
Oh, I do hope so. ::) :BEER:
Matt
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Well, well. :popcorn:
http://therideadvice.com/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-concept-gets-the-green-light-for-release/
A lot of us did not expect Moto Guzzi to actually market the Italian Bagger. (need better nickname!)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Chimpanzee_thinking_poster_zpsykmteu4x.jpg)
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I saw it a few weeks ago. They did the same "no photos, please" routine. It's sure not my cup of tea at all. I'm not sure whose it is. That pointy little fairing is downright ugly.
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Ugly
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:hurl:
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(http://images.mmorpg.com/images/galleries/formatted/242012/8d70fd89-6157-43d5-a222-aedb5c771bef.jpg)
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Oh dear. I do hope not. How can management keep screwing up so badly???
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It's sure not my cup of tea at all. I'm not sure whose it is.
http://www.motorcyclebagger.com/2013/05/2013-h-d-flhx-street-glide-harleys-top-selling-model/
2013 H-D FLHX Street Glide Harley’s Top-Selling Model
(http://www.motorcyclebagger.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-H-D-FLHX-Street-Glide-1.jpg)
Though they might be once again a little behind the curve (by a few years)
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Harley's best selling model has 2-inches of rear suspension travel.
Wow.
If that doesn't speak volumes about the average motorcycle owner in the USA, nothing does.
Hopefully Guzzi will provide some suspension travel on the MGX-21.
I've gotten so used to monoshock bikes with 5-inches of travel (or more), riding short travel twin-shock bikes is always a jolting experience I always regret!
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Harley's best selling model has*2 INCHES* of rear suspension travel.
Wow.
If that doesn't speak volumes about the average motorcycle owner in the USA, nothing does.
Hopefully Guzzi will provide some suspension travel on the MGX-21.
I've gotten so used to monoshock bikes with 5-inches of travel (or more), riding short travel twin-shock bikes is always a jolting experience I always regret!
Well yeah , only 2 inches , but it isn't well damped :laugh:
You are right though , there is a long running story line regarding Harley Davidsons and "Death Wobble" . Most of the true believers simply don't care . "Well yeah they wobble , but they are the ultimate expression of freedom" is the usual attitude . Dunno .
Disclaimer , not bashing the MoCo .
Dusty
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Probably my biggest gripe with Harley (I actually have a number of them) is how in pursuit of even lower and lower (less intimidating / "cool" looking bikes") they've basically abandoned any real taller models with cornering clearance.
I mean, if you go back a couple of decades to the mid 90s, their Hugger (lowered Sportster) still had more lean angle than ALL of today's sportster models (since the demise of the XR1200) EXCEPT certain export models like the "R" to which is only has more lean angle IN ONE DIRECTION (1990's Sporsters 40 / 36, 1990s Hugger 30.5 / 34 vs. late-models anywhere from 25 / 24 to 29 /30, vs. late "R" models 32 / 32, or the XR1200 39 / 40).
Ironically MOST of the current Touring/Bagger models have MORE lean angle than any of the current Sportsters, and most of the lean angles they had decades ago.
1990s baggers - 30 / 31 vs. current 33 / 31 except for a few lowered models like the Street Glide which is more like 32 / 29
<shrugs>
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Talk to some people who don't ride or haven't in a while and you might get a different reaction to the MGX21. Its doubtful MG is trying to market to loyalists but rather trying to create new ones. The people that like old Challengers, Camaros and so often cast dim views on the new models. Dodge and GM really don't care, there aren't enough of them around to make something they'll like.
Its just marketing. MG probably looks around and thinks who they'd rather sell to, people that won't be around in 20-30 years or those that will and have a few more bikes in their future?
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Well yeah , only 2 inches , but it isn't well damped :laugh:
You are right though , there is a long running story line regarding Harley Davidsons and "Death Wobble" . Most of the true believers simply don't care . "Well yeah they wobble , but they are the ultimate expression of freedom" is the usual attitude . Dunno .
Disclaimer , not bashing the MoCo .
Dusty
I'm firmly of the opinion that the "Death Wobble" has to do with improperly set-up and/or modified bikes.
NEVER experienced it on any Harley I've owned or ridden, nor do I personally know anyone who has...
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So now we have a model with a 21" front wheel .... Hey, thats good for a dirt bike version!
And maybe some new bagger accessories to lust after! Ape hangers! :shocked:
You know of course, the Japanese manufacturers wont let this appear without a response. :evil:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/2011-honda-stateline-conc-5_600x0w_zpsljeg83rs.jpg)
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Maybe it opens up the opportunity for magazine bagger shootouts? Then MG can be included instead of a stepchild thing like "the BMW got recalled so we included the Norge".
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I'm firmly of the opinion that the "Death Wobble" has to do with improperly set-up and/or modified bikes.
NEVER experienced it on any Harley I've owned or ridden, nor do I personally know anyone who has...
Nephew Ricky is the "head hawg" in these parts. Works for Harley doing training in his spare time, President of the local hawg chapter, etc. He bought a 34 thousand dollar :rolleyes: CVO that does it. No, it's not modified, or as far as I know improperly set up. He hates it, but is stuck with it. He'd take a serious bath if he tried to get out from underneath it..
Chromosexuals, anyway.. :evil: :azn:
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Nephew Ricky is the "head hawg" in these parts. Works for Harley doing training in his spare time, President of the local hawg chapter, etc. He bought a 34 thousand dollar :rolleyes: CVO that does it. No, it's not modified, or as far as I know improperly set up. He hates it, but is stuck with it. He'd take a serious bath if he tried to get out from underneath it..
Chromosexuals, anyway.. :evil: :azn:
Something has to be wrong.
I mean if HE does the training he would have known if it was something they ALL do and never bought it right?
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Been reading and trying to understand this designer in CA.
I like the Eldorado looks, but would rather have 17" than 16" wheels. From the review doubt I would like the OEM shocks.
I like the Audace 18" front wheel but not the 6" X 16" rear with 200mm tire. But it has longer and better shocks (more ground clearance for cornering). From this review, I doubt I would like the drag bars either.
I would like the Eldorado with the shocks off the Audace and maybe the front wheel/tire off the Audace. Both are tubeless. Oh, and red, no black here. Forgot, would like the short black exhaust off the Audace also.
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-audace-first-ride-review.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-audace-first-ride-review.html)
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I'm firmly of the opinion that the "Death Wobble" has to do with improperly set-up and/or modified bikes.
NEVER experienced it on any Harley I've owned or ridden, nor do I personally know anyone who has...
Do you think the CHP were modifying the bikes prior to testing them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6QppXnEY
Perhaps it was poor load distribution contributing to the waltz.
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Do you think the CHP were modifying the bikes prior to testing them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6QppXnEY
Perhaps it was poor load distribution contributing to the waltz.
I said something wrong or modified, I.e. maybe even from the factory some faculty component. But yes, I would think the CHP changed something, if even as simple as preload and or weight distribution.
My point is there has to be a reason only some birch about this.. Like the Norge in the other thread.
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Don't think it's much of a equalvilency. One guy complaining that his Norge is not stable, vs who knows how many complaining their hog won't go straight?
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I'm firmly of the opinion that the "Death Wobble" has to do with improperly set-up and/or modified bikes.
NEVER experienced it on any Harley I've owned or ridden, nor do I personally know anyone who has...
That isn't my point . Belief is a powerful thing , and laughing in the face of those beliefs (that HDs will death wobble) is an even more powerful force . Thus adding to the mythology and mystique of HD ownership .
Dusty
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The Cycle Gear September 15 issue has article on the MGX-21. Page 32. The styling still isn't totally sorted (no turn signals or brake lights). As others have posted it does look like the popular style these days, hope they sell a ton of them.
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The Cycle Gear September 15 issue has article on the MGX-21. Page 32. The styling still isn't totally sorted (no turn signals or brake lights). As others have posted it does look like the popular style these days, hope they sell a ton of them.
I thought MGX-21 had a Cadillac-style LED strip in the trailing edge of the rear fender that served as the tail light.
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I thought MGX-21 had a Cadillac-style LED strip in the trailing edge of the rear fender that served as the tail light.
Probably does that would look good.
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Are you all afraid they'll make it or more afraid they'll make it and it will like gang busters? :boozing:
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All of this news makes me less confident the Griso survives.
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All of this news makes me less confident the Griso survives.
Why??
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I'm firmly of the opinion that the "Death Wobble" has to do with improperly set-up and/or modified bikes.
NEVER experienced it on any Harley I've owned or ridden, nor do I personally know anyone who has...
A properly set up H-D will handle pretty well, even in stock form.
However, as I have elaborated many times, for performance riding, a few modifications will transform the H-D's into machines that can hold their own against most European bikes.
The H-D comes set up for the sort of riding that vast numbers of H-D purchasers want.
Bolt on a set of Ohlins rear shocks and jack the bikes up 2-3 inches, drop in a set of fork cartridges and Stage One the fuel map and the bikes will probably out-ride you.
My recently-owned 6-speed Super Glide would run the curves with any of my BMW and Guzzi bikes. Ditto for my late model Road King.
An awesome thing about the Big Twin is that, in 6th gear on the Interstate, it turned barely over 3000 rpm's and produced 45 MPG!
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An awesome thing about the Big Twin is that, in 6th gear on the Interstate, it turned barely over 3000 rpm's and produced 45 MPG!
People have been saying that since about 1936, and for the same reason ... lazily loping down the long highway in top gear. Been their signature for 80 years now ....
Lannis
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A properly set up H-D will handle pretty well, even in stock form.
However, as I have elaborated many times, for performance riding, a few modifications will transform the H-D's into machines that can hold their own against most European bikes.
The H-D comes set up for the sort of riding that vast numbers of H-D purchasers want.
Bolt on a set of Ohlins rear shocks and jack the bikes up 2-3 inches, drop in a set of fork cartridges and Stage One the fuel map and the bikes will probably out-ride you.
My recently-owned 6-speed Super Glide would run the curves with any of my BMW and Guzzi bikes. Ditto for my late model Road King.
An awesome thing about the Big Twin is that, in 6th gear on the Interstate, it turned barely over 3000 rpm's and produced 45 MPG!
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Man I'm agreeable lately... :boozing:
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So.... $2000 suspension upgrade to get a Harley to handle like any other stock motorcycle?
OK, but I think Harleys must handle great. I've only seen Harley riders spend $2000 on chrome and pipes. Those guys don't waste money on shocks and fork upgrades. Next you'll want to spend another grand on brakes? WTF?
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So.... $2000 suspension upgrade to get a Harley to handle like any other stock motorcycle?
OK, but I think Harleys must handle great. I've only seen Harley riders spend $2000 on chrome and pipes. Those guys don't waste money on shocks and fork upgrades. Next you'll want to spend another grand on brakes? WTF?
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No you don't have to spend $2k on a Harley suspension to "make it handle like any other stock motorcycle."
Well, maybe LowR is a tad extreme looking for Ohlins on a Harley... but then again, we have people spending upwards of $1k on a V7 suspension, which is a higher percentage of the purchase price.
Actually I've seen people swap out suspensions on ANY OTHER STOCK MOTORCYCLE too, so what does this have to do with the conversation. :rolleyes:
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Wow, when was the last time Guzzi had this much going on??? We may very we'll be needing the new Golden age of the proud eagle, Moto Guzzi!
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Probably does that would look good.
Someone in Galluzzi's studio must drive a Cadillac
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/011807/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-2015-9.jpg)
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Coulda done a better job with that taillight led strip bezel ... its too thin and looks waverly to my eye.
Taillights are supposed to be sexy! :wink:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/chevy%20guitar_zps4kbvj5hq.jpg)
Just dont over do it!!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/best_car_costume_5_zpsxr09rtdx.jpg)
ugh!
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No you don't have to spend $2k on a Harley suspension to "make it handle like any other stock motorcycle."
Well, maybe LowR is a tad extreme looking for Ohlins on a Harley... but then again, we have people spending upwards of $1k on a V7 suspension, which is a higher percentage of the purchase price.
Actually I've seen people swap out suspensions on ANY OTHER STOCK MOTORCYCLE too, so what does this have to do with the conversation. :rolleyes:
I said that Harleys must handle fine since I've only see Harley riders spend their money of chrome and pipes.
:rolleyes:
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I said that Harleys must handle fine since I've only see Harley riders spend their money of chrome and pipes.
:rolleyes:
I know what you said, and I fully understand the sarcasm.
Let's not have a useless pissing match over differences in taste ok?
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Why??
It seems the focus moves away from sport/sport touring and more into big cruisers or small blocks, is all.
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Someone in Galluzzi's studio must drive a Cadillac
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/011807/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-2015-9.jpg)
Admittedly, that's a prototype, but that is horrible. There is no reason that a competent model maker can't make something that is indistinguishable from "production."
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Yeah. Beautiful carbon fibre fender skirt, then that bargain basement LED strip glued in place (poorly) to represent tail lights.
Kind of strange...
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Cool but if the mufflers are going to stay that low the bags should be redesigned so the bottoms run parallel with them. That niggling observation aside, I like it.
Tobit
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Why bother with bags with such a puny fuel tank.
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yessss now we can say guzzi the italian harley..... :huh:
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MGX-21 prototype photo.
Merged into the bitchfest! :food:
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No you don't have to spend $2k on a Harley suspension to "make it handle like any other stock motorcycle."
Well, maybe LowR is a tad extreme looking for Ohlins on a Harley... but then again, we have people spending upwards of $1k on a V7 suspension, which is a higher percentage of the purchase price.
Someone did go Ohlins in Australia with the 1.9 litre motor on a road king from distant memory and took it to a track day as eastern creek/Sydney Motorsport park. Basically the upshot was it wasn't just the suspension that had issues the frame struggled as well. The thing wallowed down the main strait the suspect culprit was frame stiffness or lack there of. Its top speed on the straight was what the sport bikes slow down to for turn one, basically the upshot was you get them to handle better buy throwing lots of money at them there is however some serious limits with the inherit engineering.
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Someone did go Ohlins in Australia with the 1.9 litre motor on a road king from distant memory and took it to a track day as eastern creek/Sydney Motorsport park. Basically the upshot was it wasn't just the suspension that had issues the frame struggled as well. The thing wallowed down the main strait the suspect culprit was frame stiffness or lack there of. Its top speed on the straight was what the sport bikes slow down to for turn one, basically the upshot was you get them to handle better buy throwing lots of money at them there is however some serious limits with the inherit engineering.
I'm not going to argue some heresay from some Aussie track day with a Road King except to say that I'm sure the speeds involved where far north of what should remotely be attempted on the street.
If not the bike in question was set up by morons as my EVO RK with stock suspension was better than that.
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Looks like MG is expanding the existing 1400 line up.....
http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/20/new-moto-guzzi-bagger-motorcycle-for-2016-spy-photos-and-review/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/20/new-moto-guzzi-bagger-motorcycle-for-2016-spy-photos-and-review/)
I kinda like it......Just wish they would give it a 200 mile range.
(http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Moto-Guzzi-Bagger-004.jpg)
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Holy Graf Zeppelin! Batman.
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Looks like a carbon front wheel. Hmmm.
I'm not too fond of the goofy angle to the tailpipe.
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Love it! That front wheel is too cool
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I like the concept of the screen if not the execution.
The front wheel's pretty.
But... WTF's with that exhaust? Needs a dose of Viagra.
Todd.
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I like it!
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I like the plastic cowling under the motor. Would make cleaning the shit of the bottom real easy. Wonder when it will be available, if ever?
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Sure, they'll put a 21 inch front wheel on a California, but not the Stelvio.
Bastards.
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Reminds me of 'Texas car wars' reality show when Rodriuez Rod & Cycle bought a '32 Coupe from the junkyard and painted it flat black and ask 10k for it..
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I like the concept of the screen if not the execution.
The front wheel's pretty.
But... WTF's with that exhaust? Needs a dose of Viagra.
Todd.
Is that the new Victory? I can't tell with the black duct tape on the tank logo. :grin:
I like it but it's weird angle. I don't like the droopy exhaust, upswept bags, clunky chin fairing and still, the vertical break between the front and rear of the bike. Reminds me of the Largo's yacht in Thunderball, the Disco Volante.
(http://jamesbond007.net/vehicules/Disco_1.jpg)
But I do like it.
Tobit
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Looks like MG is expanding the existing 1400 line up.....
http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/20/new-moto-guzzi-bagger-motorcycle-for-2016-spy-photos-and-review/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/20/new-moto-guzzi-bagger-motorcycle-for-2016-spy-photos-and-review/)
I kinda like it......Just wish they would give it a 200 mile range.
(http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Moto-Guzzi-Bagger-004.jpg)
MGX-21 prototype photo.
Merged into the bitchfest!
mix mash of parts: Rear wire wheel from Eldo 1400, prototype 21" front wheel, MGX-21 exhaust, Cal 14 touring bags, MGX-21 fairing, Audace foot pegs, new chin fairing for oil cooler(s).
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When/if they show the new model at EICMA in a few weeks, we can start a thread for whatever they call it.
"California X", or whatever. I don't think it will be "MGX-21".
The bike shown has lots of details to iron out.
But, I'd imagine it will be on the podium next to the new 850/950 small block thingies.